2015 Asian Champions League

[kevrenor]

Pumped for Tuesday night ..after 2 1/2 months I get to return to Central Coast Stadium. Form? Who cares! Its ACL football and my club.

I enjoyed my trip down, the occasion of an ACL game at home, seeing my team live, meeting up with family and fans. Didn't like the result, the lack of ability in front of goal, the defensive errors, or the lack of variation in play. I can't fault the application - but that isn't enough is it!

 

[style_cafe]

shit for shit . no thanks

Mulvey took a team that had spiralled out of the top 6 the previous year & turned them into a Championship winning side.
Moss has taken a team that finished 3rd last year to be at 8 this season with a definite downturn in playing style & quality.
I can`t see the relevance in the "shit for shit " comment.
Could you please explain what you mean?

 

[dibo]

He took a team that was in 3rd when Arnie left (but only on 9 pts from 6, equal points with three other teams and one point ahead of 7th).

At the end of the season we were 3rd with 42pts (not a bad haul by any stretch) having taken 1.65pts/game for his time in charge vs Arnie's 1.5pts/game, and in that time we lost McGlinchey, McBreen, Flores and Sainsbury.

He clearly got something right if four starting players disappeared from the squad and we still got into third.

Goalscoring was poo (better than only Perth) and defence was only average, so we had a negative GD, but we were actually on the same points as WSW.

Given that I think we can accept we've lost quality this year (the players mentioned above plus the end of Ibini's loan) that has not really been replaced while we seem to be shopping in the bargain basement bin, I can see pretty clearly why we're struggling, why we're slower to play and why the quality is down.

It might be that Moss doesn't have the drawing power of Arnie (and I'm sure few do).

But some of the the people shouting Moss out have been doing so since last year, when we were still going pretty bloody well. They might not like him. He might not have bought them a beer or given them a cuddle, I don't really know or care.

But the bigger problem is that a campaign against him going around will only weaken him whether he's good or not.

There are people seemingly in the squad and close to people in the squad and just in the stands who seem to think Moss out is the silver bullet, respective of the many reasons we might be doing more poorly this season than last that have nothing to do with him. It's nothing but damaging.

 

[soccer mad]

He took a team that was in 3rd when Arnie left (but only on 9 pts from 6, equal points with three other teams and one point ahead of 7th).

At the end of the season we were 3rd with 42pts (not a bad haul by any stretch) having taken 1.65pts/game for his time in charge vs Arnie's 1.5pts/game, and in that time we lost McGlinchey, McBreen, Flores and Sainsbury.

He clearly got something right if four starting players disappeared from the squad and we still got into third.

Goalscoring was poo (better than only Perth) and defence was only average, so we had a negative GD, but we were actually on the same points as WSW.

Given that I think we can accept we've lost quality this year (the players mentioned above plus the end of Ibini's loan) that has not really been replaced while we seem to be shopping in the bargain basement bin, I can see pretty clearly why we're struggling, why we're slower to play and why the quality is down.

It might be that Moss doesn't have the drawing power of Arnie (and I'm sure few do).

But some of the the people shouting Moss out have been doing so since last year, when we were still going pretty bloody well. They might not like him. He might not have bought them a beer or given them a cuddle, I don't really know or care.

But the bigger problem is that a campaign against him going around will only weaken him whether he's good or not.

There are people seemingly in the squad and close to people in the squad and just in the stands who seem to think Moss out is the silver bullet, respective of the many reasons we might be doing more poorly this season than last that have nothing to do with him. It's nothing but damaging.

Hey dibo I agree that a shotgun reaction with Mossy
won't change our situation. Part of the die hard culture of the mariners has evaporated overnight as well .Lawrie s
comments on the radio station the other night which stood out for me was .We believed we could beat anyone . That's what is missing, sometimes games won aren't pretty .The team at the moment are shattered and I Mossy would be feeling it as well .I want to see Mossy more animated he needs to drive the boys a bit harder on the touchline .I take a grafted result than no result at all

 

[dibo]

Yep - that's probably the big thing.

 

[true believer]

Mulvey took a team that had spiralled out of the top 6 the previous year & turned them into a Championship winning side.
Moss has taken a team that finished 3rd last year to be at 8 this season with a definite downturn in playing style & quality.
I can`t see the relevance in the "shit for shit " comment.
Could you please explain what you mean?

moss is a poor coach and so is mulvey . mulveys team still had broich bersha henerque
mackey etc
he did what mooney did with jack gibsons parra team of the 80's .
he won with a team doing the number's .it was a ghost premiership for agne with mulvey the puppet holding up the trophy.

 

[true believer]

why kev ? please explain , dumb . or anyone else

 

[nearlyyellow]

mulveys team still had broich bersha henerque
mackey etc

I think this is a pertinent point though. Lose stars of that quality and *you*will*suffer*. Same as us, 9 out of 16 went from our 2013 team, 9 very good players, 9 who have been almost irreplaceable, and yet Moss still cops all the flak. I dunno.

 

[true believer]

yet moss made almost no change from Saturday to Tuesday .
that made my mind up the second the team hit the field Tuesday .


except for the rank stupidity of major on the wing

 

[gull]

He took a team that was in 3rd when Arnie left (but only on 9 pts from 6, equal points with three other teams and one point ahead of 7th).

At the end of the season we were 3rd with 42pts (not a bad haul by any stretch) having taken 1.65pts/game for his time in charge vs Arnie's 1.5pts/game, and in that time we lost McGlinchey, McBreen, Flores and Sainsbury.

He clearly got something right if four starting players disappeared from the squad and we still got into third.

Goalscoring was poo (better than only Perth) and defence was only average, so we had a negative GD, but we were actually on the same points as WSW.

Given that I think we can accept we've lost quality this year (the players mentioned above plus the end of Ibini's loan) that has not really been replaced while we seem to be shopping in the bargain basement bin, I can see pretty clearly why we're struggling, why we're slower to play and why the quality is down.

It might be that Moss doesn't have the drawing power of Arnie (and I'm sure few do).

But some of the the people shouting Moss out have been doing so since last year, when we were still going pretty bloody well. They might not like him. He might not have bought them a beer or given them a cuddle, I don't really know or care.

But the bigger problem is that a campaign against him going around will only weaken him whether he's good or not.

There are people seemingly in the squad and close to people in the squad and just in the stands who seem to think Moss out is the silver bullet, respective of the many reasons we might be doing more poorly this season than last that have nothing to do with him. It's nothing but damaging.

I was certainly one happy to give Mossy time to see what he can do. While I appreciate that he has lost some quality it's his job to get the best out of the team that he has. For mine he isn't doing that.

Whether or not he's in charge of recruitment it has been poor, but we also have players who have played well in the past in terrible form and so low on confidence that they can barely control the ball.

On top of this we have inconsistent and to be honest sometimes bizarre team selections ie Cernak disappearing after his great game at home against City, Major on the left recently, continually trying Caceres at 10 when things just don't click with him there... Tactics such as playing 5 in the backline when 0-1 down with 15 minutes to go also don't help.

I felt that we weren't fit when we started the season and that we may improve, but we have gone backwards. Take away the two very lucky wins that we have had and were on the same points as the scum, and one point off the spoon.

Watching from the sidelines as I have done for 10 seasons he just doesn't seem to be able to influence either the team, or the game. He's playing catch up rather than being ahead of what is happening.

Constantly saying after each match that we were unlucky, or that we are improving and he's proud of the team shows that he is either watching a different game to me, or that he's happy to accept the mediocre.

Him going may not solve all of our problems, but him staying will cause a lot more as we are seeing with our crowds.

 

[Gratis]

I was certainly one happy to give Mossy time to see what he can do. While I appreciate that he has lost some quality it's his job to get the best out of the team that he has. For mine he isn't doing that.

Whether or not he's in charge of recruitment it has been poor, but we also have players who have played well in the past in terrible form and so low on confidence that they can barely control the ball.

On top of this we have inconsistent and to be honest sometimes bizarre team selections ie Cernak disappearing after his great game at home against City, Major on the left recently, continually trying Caceres at 10 when things just don't click with him there... Tactics such as playing 5 in the backline when 0-1 down with 15 minutes to go also don't help.

I felt that we weren't fit when we started the season and that we may improve, but we have gone backwards. Take away the two very lucky wins that we have had and were on the same points as the scum, and one point off the spoon.

Watching from the sidelines as I have done for 10 seasons he just doesn't seem to be able to influence either the team, or the game. He's playing catch up rather than being ahead of what is happening.

Constantly saying after each match that we were unlucky, or that we are improving and he's proud of the team shows that he is either watching a different game to me, or that he's happy to accept the mediocre.

Him going may not solve all of our problems, but him staying will cause a lot more as we are seeing with our crowds.

well said gull, this about sums up my previous and ongoing concern from the coaching point of view and I've said as much many times. right back when we had the 'is it time for a new structure' discussion. we need to play a system that suits our players or change players to suit the system. we seem to be sticking with a bad fit and Mossy hasn't seemed to correct for this which is a worry. with Ferriera and hopefully signing/s to come in hoping the mismatch is solved and is why I'm prepared to give Mossy more time for it to click. if it comes together yet we'll be lauding him as active genius and a man of character who stuck to when all around him doubted. let's hope anyway

 

[Wombat]

He took a team that was in 3rd when Arnie left (but only on 9 pts from 6, equal points with three other teams and one point ahead of 7th).

At the end of the season we were 3rd with 42pts (not a bad haul by any stretch) having taken 1.65pts/game for his time in charge vs Arnie's 1.5pts/game, and in that time we lost McGlinchey, McBreen, Flores and Sainsbury.

He clearly got something right if four starting players disappeared from the squad and we still got into third.

Goalscoring was poo (better than only Perth) and defence was only average, so we had a negative GD, but we were actually on the same points as WSW.

Given that I think we can accept we've lost quality this year (the players mentioned above plus the end of Ibini's loan) that has not really been replaced while we seem to be shopping in the bargain basement bin, I can see pretty clearly why we're struggling, why we're slower to play and why the quality is down.

It might be that Moss doesn't have the drawing power of Arnie (and I'm sure few do).

But some of the the people shouting Moss out have been doing so since last year, when we were still going pretty bloody well. They might not like him. He might not have bought them a beer or given them a cuddle, I don't really know or care.

But the bigger problem is that a campaign against him going around will only weaken him whether he's good or not.

There are people seemingly in the squad and close to people in the squad and just in the stands who seem to think Moss out is the silver bullet, respective of the many reasons we might be doing more poorly this season than last that have nothing to do with him. It's nothing but damaging.[/QUOTE

Lol. Naive..

 

[style_cafe]

Don`t get me wrong I want to see Mossy finish the season, i`m not into changing coaches mid-season.
He lost a lot of players but then he brought in a lot of players too.
Ultimately he has to work with them but the foreign players have all been duds & only Posco has risen to be a regular 1st team player.
Other players like Chesty,Stormy, Duke etc have suffered from the rotations.
Mossy`s body language on the sideline says it all. He looks like he has no answers & no real interest.

So, in saying that, we need a plan B.
The succession plans of recent years have flown out the window when Patrick left.
Do you think Sully is the heir to the thrown?

I know money is tight & it will get even tighter as the fans drift away again.
We can`t ignore the problem any further, bringing the kids in to blood them is good, but it only masks the situation we have.
Plan now as on current form our season is over.

 

[thelastpost]

I think you are all forgetting that moss got the job , because his best mate wanted him to be the assistant . There were probably better qualified coaches around , and certainly coaches with a much better track record . So based on that he has done ok .

 

[style_cafe]

He took a team that was in 3rd when Arnie left (but only on 9 pts from 6, equal points with three other teams and one point ahead of 7th).

At the end of the season we were 3rd with 42pts (not a bad haul by any stretch) having taken 1.65pts/game for his time in charge vs Arnie's 1.5pts/game, and in that time we lost McGlinchey, McBreen, Flores and Sainsbury.

He clearly got something right if four starting players disappeared from the squad and we still got into third.

Goalscoring was poo (better than only Perth) and defence was only average, so we had a negative GD, but we were actually on the same points as WSW.

Given that I think we can accept we've lost quality this year (the players mentioned above plus the end of Ibini's loan) that has not really been replaced while we seem to be shopping in the bargain basement bin, I can see pretty clearly why we're struggling, why we're slower to play and why the quality is down.

It might be that Moss doesn't have the drawing power of Arnie (and I'm sure few do).

But some of the the people shouting Moss out have been doing so since last year, when we were still going pretty bloody well. They might not like him. He might not have bought them a beer or given them a cuddle, I don't really know or care.

But the bigger problem is that a campaign against him going around will only weaken him whether he's good or not.

There are people seemingly in the squad and close to people in the squad and just in the stands who seem to think Moss out is the silver bullet, respective of the many reasons we might be doing more poorly this season than last that have nothing to do with him. It's nothing but damaging.

Any idea of his % points per game now?

 

[VicMariner]

Any idea of his % points per game now?

15 pts in 17 rounds = 0.88 pts per game this season.
If my maths is right.

 

[dibo]

Across the two seasons, 43 from 38. Obviously not good enough, but sum up all factors contributing. If you still think he's got to go, that's fine and up to your own reasoning.

 

[Gratis]

sadly we can probably unpin this thread now