Turbulence (then calm sailing, then turbulence) thread.

[nearlyyellow]

According to the club's website the board is MC, McCabe, Paul Chapman (CEO of the IFS) and Duncan Tweed (CEO of the NSFA).
snipt

snipt
Read more at http://www.ccmariners.com.au/about/about-us/ciqnqq6gr2cw1ml3m64z3b55y#qxjCvQ8y6P9BkHJ2.99
snipt

Oh FFS, I have never clicked the right arrow on the club website to show the "About" menu.
Please forgive me, I am a CCM newbie of only 2 years. I wouldn't have asked such a dumb question if I had just let my fingers do the searching.

 

[Luke]

Turns out it's Duncan Tweed.Last person I was thinking...
NSFA didn't want him on the board anymore apparently.Conflict of interest.

 

[rbakersmith]

Turns out it's Duncan Tweed.Last person I was thinking...
NSFA didn't want him on the board anymore apparently.Conflict of interest.

Makes sense in hindsight, since we're now in a direct relationship with that association's largest club. I wonder if they'll look to get someone from GHFA on board?

 

[Tassiemariner]

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2014/11/24/charlesworth-chases-games-sydney-save-mariners

Some worrying quotes in here with the biggest (imo) being 'That, to me, shows you can justify a third presence in Sydney.'

 

[rbakersmith]

Some worrying quotes in here with the biggest (imo) being 'That, to me, shows you can justify a third presence in Sydney.'

TBH I can't really see anything in there that's inconsistent with what MC's previously said, although I do think that he's spelling the situation out a little more clearly this time.

 

[greenlig]

You know what, if he's right and we are bleeding money (which all indications point to), the I might just have to support this. I hate the idea of the Mariners being anywhere but the Central Coast, but not having the Mariners at all is unacceptable. If only we could pull a Swansea and prop up the club :/

 

[midfielder]

Hate to keep bringing this up but it jumped off the page at me...

Charlesworth said """" The break-even figure at North Sydney is around 6000 as opposed to 10,000 in Gosford"""

On the stadium thread Dibo set up, most of the funding for the stadium was from State and Federal governments, its not like the council built the stadium with rate payers money...

At some point IMO the council should .... not sure but for them to be left out of the discussion is not clever...

 

[pjennings]

You know what, if he's right and we are bleeding money (which all indications point to), the I might just have to support this. I hate the idea of the Mariners being anywhere but the Central Coast, but not having the Mariners at all is unacceptable. If only we could pull a Swansea and prop up the club :/

I can live with a few games in northern Sydney.

While we have 13-14 homes games I would say maximum of 2-3 (11 at Gosford) when we go to 16-17 home games then 4-5 games (12 at Gosford). TBH we do not have the churn of attendees that most clubs have. We have loyal people that turn up each game. Can or will those people pay an extra 50% if all were at Gosford - I doubt it.

If there is anything more than that then we are the Northern Eagles Mark II. I don't follow the North Sydney Mariners I follow the Central Coast. The Central Coast Red Bulls would be a better solution to me than the North Sydney Mariners.

 

[localpom]

"Several" home games would be disastrous. If that was the only option then so be it but NSO, although picturesque is a crap football ground and i just can't see it working. 2 or 3 max, any more would do considerable harm to the supporter base IMO. For starters who is going to pay for a full membership if there are only 7 or 8 games at Gosford? Do you have 3 memberships (CC/NSO/Both)Also, if we are playing there and not entertaining the average punter will not come back week in week out. Kudo's to the Mariners fans from Sydney who make the trek to the home games at Gosford, but with family commitments i would be struggling to get to many games down in Sydney. Friday night after work yes......Sunday at 5pm? Probably not, and i am a rusted on fan.

 

[dibo]

The only way we can survive is moving games? f**k off.

This year it's two games, next year it's more? f**k right off.

Bruce said just last week to the Express: “We need to get just under 9000 people to a game to cover all the expected and unexpected costs.”. This is a smaller number than previously quoted (he told the fan forum in June that it was 11k or so).

Our long term average in Gosford is 9,413. If Bruce is right, meeting our long term average is now enough.

Season by season, taking out games we've taken to other grounds (like the NSO game last year and the idiotic Canberra excursions) we have:
7,899
9,828
12,738
10,465
7,765
7,886
9,628
9,969
9,601
7,619

This year is down, obviously, but we've had two games on Sundays against poor-drawing opponents and the team's in rubbish form. What's to say that taking games to Sydney isn't causing damage as well? What's to say it isn't damaging more than it fixes?

They don't have a representative from the Central Coast football community on the Board, and it looks like they're giving up the fight. If they move games to NSO because the Central Coast isn't big enough, we will never again be a Central Coast club. It's the f**king Northern Eagles all over again.

I'd rather the FFA took us over than put up with this shit.

 

[sydmariner]

The only way we can survive is moving games? f**k off.

This year it's two games, next year it's more? f**k right off.

Bruce said just last week to the Express: “We need to get just under 9000 people to a game to cover all the expected and unexpected costs.”. This is a smaller number than previously quoted (he told the fan forum in June that it was 11k or so).

Our long term average in Gosford is 9,413. If Bruce is right, meeting our long term average is now enough.

Season by season, taking out games we've taken to other grounds (like the NSO game last year and the idiotic Canberra excursions) we have:
7,899
9,828
12,738
10,465
7,765
7,886
9,628
9,969
9,601
7,619

This year is down, obviously, but we've had two games on Sundays against poor-drawing opponents and the team's in rubbish form. What's to say that taking games to Sydney isn't causing damage as well? What's to say it isn't damaging more than it fixes?

They don't have a representative from the Central Coast football community on the Board, and it looks like they're giving up the fight. If they move games to NSO because the Central Coast isn't big enough, we will never again be a Central Coast club. It's the f**king Northern Eagles all over again.

I'd rather the FFA took us over than put up with this shit.

I think we all would

 

[rbakersmith]

Bruce said just last week to the Express: “We need to get just under 9000 people to a game to cover all the expected and unexpected costs.”. This is a smaller number than previously quoted (he told the fan forum in June that it was 11k or so).

But is that just for the costs involved with playing a game at CCS, or does it include covering all the other bills that the club has to pay for every week (staff wages, office rent, etc etc) regardless of whether we're actually playing?

If we're losing $1M a year then there's no way that merely breaking even is enough.

 

[Tassiemariner]

The bit I don't understand is why we are in crisis because of our crowds at games against Wellington and Perth. We got over 10,000 to our derby game against Jets and a admittedly a disappointing crowd against Adelaide.

But in our history we have played 10 home games against Wellington and our average attendance is 8,302 - 700 under the 'break-even' amount. Take out the 1 New Years Eve game (11,137) and the 1 Pre-season game (8,136) the average goes down to 7,844 - close to 1,200 under.

Given our life-time average is 9,413, Wellington is a game that rarely pulls crowds. If their are games that need to be moved, it's Wellington.

 

[dibo]

But is that just for the costs involved with playing a game at CCS, or does it include covering all the other bills that the club has to pay for every week (staff wages, office rent, etc etc) regardless of whether we're actually playing?

If we're losing $1M a year then there's no way that merely breaking even is enough.

Blame Bruce for giving a misleading quote then. He set a target for us which we're already hitting. What more does he want?

 

[rbakersmith]

Blame Bruce for giving a misleading quote then. He set a target for us which we're already hitting. What more does he want?

Perhaps for us to hit that target without having to rely on "event" games like SFC/WSW matches and the NYE game? It's all well and good for us to have an average above break-even, but averages don't equal cashflow.

 

[dibo]

Perhaps for us to hit that target without having to rely on "event" games like SFC/WSW matches and the NYE game? It's all well and good for us to have an average above break-even, but averages don't equal cashflow.

So we need to break even on each and every game? What do we do with windfalls then? Head out on the town with hookers and blow? Seriously, that can't be what he meant.

 

[Luke]

The only way we can survive is moving games? f**k off.

This year it's two games, next year it's more? f**k right off.

Bruce said just last week to the Express: “We need to get just under 9000 people to a game to cover all the expected and unexpected costs.”. This is a smaller number than previously quoted (he told the fan forum in June that it was 11k or so).

Our long term average in Gosford is 9,413. If Bruce is right, meeting our long term average is now enough.

Season by season, taking out games we've taken to other grounds (like the NSO game last year and the idiotic Canberra excursions) we have:
7,899
9,828
12,738
10,465
7,765
7,886
9,628
9,969
9,601
7,619

This year is down, obviously, but we've had two games on Sundays against poor-drawing opponents and the team's in rubbish form. What's to say that taking games to Sydney isn't causing damage as well? What's to say it isn't damaging more than it fixes?

They don't have a representative from the Central Coast football community on the Board, and it looks like they're giving up the fight. If they move games to NSO because the Central Coast isn't big enough, we will never again be a Central Coast club. It's the f**king Northern Eagles all over again.

I'd rather the FFA took us over than put up with this shit.

Somebody talking some sense about this whole thing.Well in Dibo.
His idea is pretty simple really:
1.Spend nothing on the pitch
2.play shit football
3.crowds drop
4.Use it as an excuse to move games
5.get paid to play at NSO etc
6.???
7.Profit

 

[rbakersmith]

So we need to break even on each and every game? What do we do with windfalls then? Head out on the town with hookers and blow? Seriously, that can't be what he meant.

Put it towards paying for a decent coach & players?

 

[nearlyyellow]

Didn't the North Sydney Mayor say after the game at NSO last season that if CCMFC would come and play there in addition to upgrading the oval to FFA specs. they wouldn't charge rent? Is that why the break even is only 6,000? There were 6,755 at the NSO game last year. Maybe MC is just bringing all this to a head to make GCC really consider their charging structure for the CCS to the Mariners, who after all are the *only* stadium tenant of worth.
EDIT: I can't believe that it's cheaper to rent a heritage listed oval like NSO than CCS.

 

[VicMariner]

Annoying thing is in just a few years the next media deal and COE income should see us sitting pretty.
So close.