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Turbulence (then calm sailing, then turbulence) thread.

MagpieMariner

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I sit with him up in the eastern stand every home match, then I go to his house to watch the away matches on Fox :).
Just joking, my son-in-law's name is Michael Charlesworth.
 

Roy Law

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Irrespective of who he is and what he looks like it, and even more unsubstantiated rumours about Russians and Chinese, this is a fanatastic day for the Mariners: debt free! What will those lazy journos write about now?
 

adz

Moderator
Staff member
oh they will speculate on one thing or another, prematurely at that.......premature speculation, my preferred descriptive term for the circus that call themsleves the media

There's been some pretty ordinary stuff going around this week, hasn't there?
 

Roy Law

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And now I have seen a story in the Australian saying that the CoE is in danger of collapse due to moneys owing...
 

MrCelery

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Highly political article designed to stab the ALP and Julia Gillard. Nothing surprising from the Australian then.
 

kevrenor

Well-Known Member
Not going behind their paywall thanks .. giving them page view is bad enough

"Millions wasted in Labor's soccer play
IN the final weeks of the 2010 federal election campaign, Julia Gillard announced a $10 million grant to go towards a $40m sporting and community complex on the NSW central coast, which was slated to be among the nation's best.
Today that project is in danger of collapse, with builders walking away from the development late last year over hundreds of thousands of dollars in unpaid debts, and very few of the community benefits spruiked by the government have actually materialised.

.... more
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...bors-soccer-play/story-fn59niix-1226603845012
 

FFC Mariner

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Angas Securities are the mob who collect pensioners savings, make them think they are getting a Debenture Secured by 1st Mortgage and then spunk it on dubious developers

http://www.angassecurities.com.au/

From their website

Angas Securities takes corporate governance seriously. We aim to achieve superior and sustainable financial performance while meeting expectations of sound corporate governance.
 

dibo

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So you don't have to got there (googled the headline, snuck behind the paywall):


Millions wasted in Labor's soccer play
ANTHONY KLAN


IN the final weeks of the 2010 federal election campaign, Julia Gillard announced a $10 million grant to go towards a $40m sporting and community complex on the NSW central coast, which was slated to be among the nation's best.

Today that project is in danger of collapse, with builders walking away from the development late last year over hundreds of thousands of dollars in unpaid debts, and very few of the community benefits spruiked by the government have actually materialised.

The Central Coast Mariners A-league soccer club's planned "Centre of Excellence" at Tuggerah was due to be completed early this year.

Instead the development sits idle with patches of over-grown glass spurting up between half-complete buildings, and stands as nothing more than a monument to government waste. With the Mariners club facing possible collapse - with players threatening to strike over unpaid wages and the Australian Taxation Office circling over unpaid debts - it has emerged the funding was tied not to the community benefits but a handful of facilities for the elite club.

Both the club and the developer of the project - which are separate legal entities - were last night locked in ongoing negotiations with investor and IT businessman Mike Charlesworth in a bid to save the club and the developer from administration.

Less than three weeks before the 2010 election, Ms Gillard and local member Craig Thomson - whose heavy lobbying for the grant brought it about - visited the site and announced the grand project billed as "world class".

The development, they announced, would include a heated indoor aquatic centre, community gym, function centre, education facilities, a 150-room hotel, a museum, and community doctor and dental services.

The federal government was to inject $10m in the $39m project, which was to be completed by Mariners FC Developments, a company created for the purpose owned by three businessmen associated with the Mariners Football Club.

The complex would provide "state-of-the-art" facilities for the Central Coast Mariners, and the raft of community services.

It was, in the words of an August 2010 ALP campaign media release, an "Elite Meets Community Sports Campus".
However, more than $9m of that government grant has been handed over and the community side to the project is yet to materialise.

Peter Turnbull, a director of Mariners FC Developments, said football fields, a "soccer 5s centre" along with changerooms and gym, dressing rooms, coaches' offices and football match facilities had been completed. But he said none of the federal grant was tied to the community gym or medical services.

Department of Regional Australia, Arts and Sport spokesman Anthony Meere declined to comment when asked whether the government had any concerns regarding the future of the proposed development.

"The Australian government has delivered in its commitment to the Mariners sports complex. To date milestone payments totalling $9,006,590 have been paid," he said.

A spokesman for Mr Thomson did not return calls yesterday.

Builder North Constructions walked off the site in December after the developers failed to pay about $500,000 in debts.

The Weekend Australian can also reveal the Mariners FC Developments has missed a deadline earlier this month to pay $3m to the Wyong RSL Club to finalise the purchase of a parcel of land on which part of the project is to be developed.

Facing financial distress, the Wyong RSL in 2008 sold Club Tuggerah, a club and 14ha of land adjacent to the existing Mariners' grounds.

The sale price was $7.5m with $4.5m payable at the time and the remaining $3m due earlier this month.
Company searches show Mariners FC Developments owes $6.25m to Adelaide-based Angas Securities, a shadow-bank debenture issuer that raises money from ordinary investors.

Records show all of the assets of Mariners FC Developments are mortgaged to Angas.

The accounts of Angas show a late 2012 valuation of the entire site and buildings at just $12m.

The directors and equal shareholders of Mariners FC Developments are Mr Turnbull, Mr Charlesworth and Lyall Gorman, a former director of the Mariner's Football Club.

Speaking with The Weekend Australian yesterday, Mr Charlesworth dismissed media reports he had agreed to inject $5m into the failing club.

He said he was involved in ongoing negotiations with both the club and the developer.

"No figure is being stipulated and no deal has been concluded," Mr Charlesworth said. He confirmed the developer currently owed North Constructions "about $500,000".

The precise figure the Mariners Football Club owes the ATO was unclear.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Hopefully the club tho Mike Charlesworth will do some kinda media release in addition to what has already been done just to clarify things....

The article in the OZ would have everyone walking off site and invites an enquiry into the ten million and wear has it gone, is it still their to pay for what it was intended for .... If we are totally fair the 10 million was to build an aquatic centre received in 2010 or 2011... or that's my understanding

My reading of the tea leafs is the media could go after this .... kinda stuff 9's ... A Current Affair, and similar shows love nothing better.... find the unpaid bloke with a sick kid unable to pay rent ...

Can see this growing unless we jump on it early .... Craig Thompson was the member who is reported to have got the grant and would add to media interest.... 9 & 7 love nothing better than protecting their sports and have shown in the past a willingness to report football related issues negatively...

Hope I am wrong but this could get very nasty ....
 

elevated position

Well-Known Member
Would be good to see a builder lose their money rather than subbies for once.
However some trades required to complete the indoor swimming/recovery/players area have been on notice since xmas to be prepared to go ahead.
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
The development as it stands is valued at $12m

Funds from Govt $9m, loan funds $6m. I'd guess there isn't $3m sitting in a bank account to pay club Tugg what they are owed.

The maths are rather compelling and I think we will hear a lot more of this.

What do you think prompted the ownership shit fight over the last week (allegedly)
 

Mumbles

Well-Known Member
Please tell me they're not selling Marvin?

Give it rest, go do some gardening, watch few games and wait till the election is over.

I'm sure Mr C knows exactly what the true situation is and doesn't mind throwing $5 big ones in the pot to show his confidence in the clubs future.
 

Roy Law

Well-Known Member
I didn't go behind the paywall either; the article is mainly recycled stuff - clearly the journo doesn't read or talk to Ray Gatt. I do though, expect one of the major political parties to chuck in another $10 mil or so, for the community. After all "It's time!".
 

Gratis

Well-Known Member
Strikes me as a beat up. There may be more media attention over it but it'll amount to a non-event.
 

nebakke

Well-Known Member
Dunno, this line worries me:


Speaking with The Weekend Australian yesterday, Mr Charlesworth dismissed media reports he had agreed to inject $5m into the failing club.

Although I acknowledge that it probably shouldn't, they probably just did the article before the deal was signed, but still... What does that mean and who do we believe now?
 

bikinigirl

Well-Known Member
Dunno, this line worries me:




Although I acknowledge that it probably shouldn't, they probably just did the article before the deal was signed, but still... What does that mean and who do we believe now?

. well i s'pose he could have agreed to inject $6m and the report is technically correct ... so who knows
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Fozzie seems to think we are certain at some point in time to be relocated to a different area....

The difficulty any prospective Mariners owner has is that they are operating at near maximum efficiency. Highly successful and competitive on the field and with a record of outstanding community engagement, investors will find it difficult to determine how they can extract more commercial value in the foreseeable future.
It would appear that the best hope for the club in the long term is television revenue, something that will not change for at least the next four years. It has been reported that the new majority shareholder, Mick Charlesworth, was in Melbourne talking with investors during the week, opening the possibility that his capital injection is to protect current investments and offload the club as soon as possible.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that any new consortium will consider the impact of new markets and whether the Central Coast can sustain the club financially, something that will have sent shockwaves through other Melbourne clubs as well as the competition itself.
Any relocation raises financial risk and may need capital - something the game doesn't have.


he goes on to say


David Gallop now faces a period of reorganisation, recapitalisation and possibly, relocation of several A-League clubs as well as at least one potential offshore sale, and he must try to massage the present clubs into a geographical scenario that supports two more expansion clubs down the track.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/a-league/mariners-woes-a-sign-of-deeper-problem-20130323-2gml3.html#ixzz2ON3QrTiY
 

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