The Salt Mine: Dig Deep, Stay Salty

[FFC Mariner]

Ticks off number three.
And No, and you know I wasnt.

sure ! you have consistantly represented yourself as a moderate fence sitter.
but you are constantly exposed as a right wing shrill

It's shill. It's an American word. Means the assistant to a conman

 

[true believer]

It's shill. It's an American word. Means the assistant to a conman

yeah it's shrill like a banshee wail

 

[Hello Sailor]

Tick, like Pavlov's dogs.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

The NDIS is probably the most enduring legislative achievement of the 2010s.

It successfully moved one of the most expensive responsibilities off the states, health is their responsibility under the constitution. Under our constitution the states cannot tax, which significantly undermines their ability to perform their constitutional responsibilities. Moving to a national approach significantly reduced costs to each state and provided efficiencies for taxpayers.

It has provided an equal, national approach for all Australians instead of the incredibly piecemeal and expensive approach each individual state offered prior.

It has allowed disabled Australian to function, work and increase their tax contribution by doing so. It has decreased tax payer burden by ensuring that the needs of disabled people are met before they enter catastrophically expensive emergency care.

Consequently of moving to a national model it made the NDIS "the only life boat in the ocean" for disabled people. As the states have completely retreated from their provision of services it has increased costs to the Commonwealth. But the national model of the NDIS significantly decreases costs by ensuring efficiencies through lack of duplication of state programs and employees. It appears more expensive simply because it isn't split between the 6 states budgets.

In regards to fraud, rorting and sustainability, there were significant legislative reforms to address this last year. In addition, actually funding the National Disability Insurance Agency properly so it can successfully audit and enforce the NDIS' rules would be enough to prevent it. Since its implementation the NDIA has never been given the resources to properly do its job.


The NDIS is a truly powerful and transformative piece of legislation for disabled people. It allows a tailored, human rights based approach for each participant. Ensuring that they can function in Australian society to the best of their ability and to Australia's benefit.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

The NDIS is a truly powerful and transformative piece of legislation for disabled people. It allows a tailored, human rights based approach for each participant. Ensuring that they can function in Australian society to the best of their ability and to Australia's benefit.

In intent.

But the fact that the policy allows providers to charge higher rates to NDIS customers than they do to regular clients means it is a broken system that is open to misuse.

 

[Melange]

In intent.

But the fact that the policy allows providers to charge higher rates to NDIS customers than they do to regular clients means it is a broken system that is open to misuse.

What you mean by regular clients?

 

[Big Al]

The NDIS is probably the most enduring legislative achievement of the 2010s.

It successfully moved one of the most expensive responsibilities off the states, health is their responsibility under the constitution. Under our constitution the states cannot tax, which significantly undermines their ability to perform their constitutional responsibilities. Moving to a national approach significantly reduced costs to each state and provided efficiencies for taxpayers.

It has provided an equal, national approach for all Australians instead of the incredibly piecemeal and expensive approach each individual state offered prior.

It has allowed disabled Australian to function, work and increase their tax contribution by doing so. It has decreased tax payer burden by ensuring that the needs of disabled people are met before they enter catastrophically expensive emergency care.

Consequently of moving to a national model it made the NDIS "the only life boat in the ocean" for disabled people. As the states have completely retreated from their provision of services it has increased costs to the Commonwealth. But the national model of the NDIS significantly decreases costs by ensuring efficiencies through lack of duplication of state programs and employees. It appears more expensive simply because it isn't split between the 6 states budgets.

In regards to fraud, rorting and sustainability, there were significant legislative reforms to address this last year. In addition, actually funding the National Disability Insurance Agency properly so it can successfully audit and enforce the NDIS' rules would be enough to prevent it. Since its implementation the NDIA has never been given the resources to properly do its job.


The NDIS is a truly powerful and transformative piece of legislation for disabled people. It allows a tailored, human rights based approach for each participant. Ensuring that they can function in Australian society to the best of their ability and to Australia's benefit.

The problem is it’s costing an absolute fortune and is being abused by plenty with no real disabilities. It’s a free for all abused system.

True tightening should be embraced so those in actual need get what they require. Not happening from what i hear

 

[true believer]

Tick, like Pavlov's dogs.
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and yet you read every post !
it's bit late everyone else has worked out you're just another right wing equivocator

 

[Stuartmcateer]

What you mean by regular clients?

I mean if you are a physio or OT or accommodation provider you can mark up heavily above what you charge on your normal schedule of fees for a walk in person not using the NDIS.

So if your advertised rate is $100 per hour, you can charge NDIS participants heavily above market rate (simply because it's government funded) and people wonder why there's no money in the NDIS pool and funding is being cut hand over fist.

It is literally the health industry equivalent of saying you are booking a venue for a wedding. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Hello Sailor]

The NDIS is probably the most enduring legislative achievement of the 2010s.

It successfully moved one of the most expensive responsibilities off the states, health is their responsibility under the constitution. Under our constitution the states cannot tax, which significantly undermines their ability to perform their constitutional responsibilities. Moving to a national approach significantly reduced costs to each state and provided efficiencies for taxpayers.

It has provided an equal, national approach for all Australians instead of the incredibly piecemeal and expensive approach each individual state offered prior.

It has allowed disabled Australian to function, work and increase their tax contribution by doing so. It has decreased tax payer burden by ensuring that the needs of disabled people are met before they enter catastrophically expensive emergency care.

Consequently of moving to a national model it made the NDIS "the only life boat in the ocean" for disabled people. As the states have completely retreated from their provision of services it has increased costs to the Commonwealth. But the national model of the NDIS significantly decreases costs by ensuring efficiencies through lack of duplication of state programs and employees. It appears more expensive simply because it isn't split between the 6 states budgets.

In regards to fraud, rorting and sustainability, there were significant legislative reforms to address this last year. In addition, actually funding the National Disability Insurance Agency properly so it can successfully audit and enforce the NDIS' rules would be enough to prevent it. Since its implementation the NDIA has never been given the resources to properly do its job.


The NDIS is a truly powerful and transformative piece of legislation for disabled people. It allows a tailored, human rights based approach for each participant. Ensuring that they can function in Australian society to the best of their ability and to Australia's benefit.

Thank you for a civil, reasoned contribution.

 

[Paolo]

In intent.

But the fact that the policy allows providers to charge higher rates to NDIS customers than they do to regular clients means it is a broken system that is open to misuse.

This.

Both things can be true at the same time. The system can be any force for good and transformative... whilst also being ripe with waste.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

I mean if you are a physio or OT or accommodation provider you can mark up heavily above what you charge on your normal schedule of fees for a walk in person not using the NDIS.

So if your advertised rate is $100 per hour, you can charge NDIS participants heavily above market rate (simply because it's government funded) and people wonder why there's no money in the NDIS pool and funding is being cut hand over fist.

It is literally the health industry equivalent of saying you are booking a venue for a wedding. 🤷🏻‍♂️

That was truly disgusting behaviour from providers. But the legislative reforms done this Parliament and in use right now make sure it won't happen again.

It could have worked under the old Act but from when the NDIS came into being it was hamstrung by a lack of resourcing for the NDIA by the then Abbott government. They gave the NDIA the barest resources to perform only the most essential functions. And even then most of those functions barely happend. Which meant that auditing and cracking down on fraud was impossible.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

That was truly disgusting behaviour from providers. But the legislative reforms done this Parliament and in use right now make sure it won't happen again.

It could have worked under the old Act but from when the NDIS came into being it was hamstrung by a lack of resourcing for the NDIA by the then Abbott government. They gave the NDIA the barest resources to perform only the most essential functions. And even then most of those functions barely happend. Which meant that auditing and cracking down on fraud was impossible.

It still happens.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

It still happens.

As does fraud anywhere, personally I would rather we ensure that the needs of disabled people are met and tackle fraud and rorting with a fully resourced NDIA.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

As does fraud anywhere, personally I would rather we ensure that the needs of disabled people are met and tackle fraud and rorting with a fully resourced NDIA.

I 100% agree we need to look after the most vulnerable.

Unfortunately the fraud and lack of resources will take a long time to repair.

If only it was set up properly from the outset, with proper oversight and governance, rather than having to claw it back now. It's a long way from being properly funded and planners are being instructed to reduce plan funds as much as possible.

My wife was a CoS for a decade (regularly frustrated by the scheme) and has worked in the disability industry since leaving uni (until recently). My uncle is an NDIS recipient. I work in the same room as NDIS planners. So I have a reasonable working knowledge of the issues involved.

 

[true believer]

Thank you for a civil, reasoned contribution.

And with the money you grift from the least able.
Lucy can give another 18 million to happy clappers .

 

[FFC Mariner]

And with the money you grift from the least able.
Lucy can give another 18 million to happy clappers .

Buy a few 25 year old boys for that money

 

[Wombat]

What you mean by regular clients?

He means existing clients, obviously.

 

[Wombat]

Buy a few 25 year old boys for that money

You people would know!

 

[Melange]

He means existing clients, obviously.

Not oblivious at all. I'm learning more about the scheme with some work I'm doing with a provider. In this case their services are simple and flat rate, their care is targeted and assisting children so they charge a flat rate for general care with standard built ins to cover overtime or overnight respite care.