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[Hello Sailor]

Regardless, I would like to read his research

No worries, just making sure that there was no misunderstanding

 

[Hello Sailor]

This is NOT directed at any one person, but can we avoid using the word 'research' when looking at the internet for evidence that supports a position?
The internet is a vast source of information, both reliable and unreliable.
Cherry picking data to support a preexisting position is not science, nor is it research.

 

[FFC Mariner]

To be fair you can't expect Uni acceptable referencing on a forum.

 

[Hello Sailor]

To be fair you can't expect Uni acceptable referencing on a forum.

I'm not expecting that, but [particularly in discussions on science topics] someone 'researching' on the net isnt equivalent to real research where observations are made, hypotheses defined, variables manipulated, data captured and statistically analysed then findings published for peer reviewed. There is no equivalence. It falsely elevates net searching, while diminishing actual research. Cherry picking to prove a result is the exact OPPOSITE of good scientific practice. Call net searching anything but it isn't legitimised by calling it 'research'.

 

[marinermick]

This is NOT directed at any one person, but can we avoid using the word 'research' when looking at the internet for evidence that supports a position?
The internet is a vast source of information, both reliable and unreliable.
Cherry picking data to support a preexisting position is not science, nor is it research.

Thank you for posting this. I wanted to put research in quotation marks but feared it may be too aggressive for some.

Research implies that someone has produced their own published study, not trawled the internet.

 

[true believer]

peer review is the minimum level anything should taken as being legitimate.
which is why the oil industry has spent billions attacking scientific method .

but do go on

 

[Big Al]

Happy to debate you on that Mick, as China is continuing to commission more coal fired and natural gas power stations each year, whilst also investing in nuclear power and other sources of clean energy, especially hydro. Solar and wind make up a very small amount of its current energy mix (less than 5%), so it’s hardly a leader at present but may perhaps become one in the future and it is still the largest contributor of CO2 globally.

What we are doing here in Australia is failing to maintain a sensible balance of energy sources, in order to ensure the stability and economics of supply, with more capacity predicted to exit the grid than will be entering it and that is a recipe for disaster.

In such a resource rich nation such as ours, there really is no logic in having amongst the highest energy prices in the world, all while our CO2 emissions are such a small fraction of the global output. This will kill our heavy industry capability and cause financial stress on households, so we need to have a proper debate on this, not just blindly pursue economic suicide.

And yes, my research did tell me all of the above.

China is the lead producer of EV’s and Battery Storage systems.

They have the Lithium industry sown up at 80% running through them.

A lot of Australian resources run through it and are at the peril of the prices easily effected (nice way of saying manipulation) by China and US fund managers.

I agree there sound be a mix of both.

Like i don’t understand Labor in Victoria i think wants or has killed gas in the home. They want it all electric.

The problem is once every one is on the one platform the prices go through the roof because there is no alternative.

I would like to get solar panels but it’s pointless (for me and my usage) without a battery which are still at unfavorable prices but they are moving down.

I think china is actually quite progressive with renewables and see it as something they can control (more than scientific benefits). They can try and destroy the oil countries or at least control the western countries who follow the ideal of renewables.

Are the western countries smart enough to see what’s happening- probably not as they are addicted to price and shareholder returns. At least China thinks bigger than that. However i am not totally pro China. I know they are sneaky pricks too (government- not the people - the ones i know are great).

I think we should be using coal. It’s ridiculous (in my view) people are against it but some people are for whatever reason. We have it here same as natural gas. The problem is we don’t enforce its use here at cheap prices first. Corporate greed of which the country benefits from so they don’t stop it.

It’s clear neither party is serious about power prices, cost of living or housing. It’s minor tweaks to appear to care.

 

[Big Al]

*For meme purposes only. Enjoy a laugh every one

 

[true believer]

China is the lead producer of EV’s and Battery Storage systems.

They have the Lithium industry sown up at 80% running through them.

A lot of Australian resources run through it and are at the peril of the prices easily effected (nice way of saying manipulation) by China and US fund managers.

I agree there sound be a mix of both.

Like i don’t understand Labor in Victoria i think wants or has killed gas in the home. They want it all electric.

The problem is once every one is on the one platform the prices go through the roof because there is no alternative.

I would like to get solar panels but it’s pointless (for me and my usage) without a battery which are still at unfavorable prices but they are moving down.

I think china is actually quite progressive with renewables and see it as something they can control (more than scientific benefits). They can try and destroy the oil countries or at least control the western countries who follow the ideal of renewables.

Are the western countries smart enough to see what’s happening- probably not as they are addicted to price and shareholder returns. At least China thinks bigger than that. However i am not totally pro China. I know they are sneaky pricks too (government- not the people - the ones i know are great).

I think we should be using coal. It’s ridiculous (in my view) people are against it but some people are for whatever reason. We have it here same as natural gas. The problem is we don’t enforce its use here at cheap prices first. Corporate greed of which the country benefits from so they don’t stop it.

It’s clear neither party is serious about power prices, cost of living or housing. It’s minor tweaks to appear to care.

fake fence sitter .there needs to be an effective method of Co2 removal .but hay chug alug along as usual ,do nothing .
blaming labor after the greens and libs lied in 2007 is typical ."there all the same so vote LNP as that's the safe option".
if you weren't a fraud you would acknowledged that the LNP gave us a trillion in debt but start mooing everytime negative gearing in mentioned .

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

In such a resource rich nation such as ours, there really is no logic in having amongst the highest energy prices in the world,

Which isn't because of green energy or the "WEF agenda" (whatever that is).

Energy prices are a mix of inadequate policies and framework, high transmission costs, exports, privatisation, and problematic infrastructure. It's...complex

fake fence sitter .there needs to be an effective method of Co2 removal .but hay chug alug along as usual ,do nothing .
blaming labor after the greens and libs lied in 2007 is typical ."there all the same so vote LNP as that's the safe option".
if you weren't a fraud you would acknowledged that the LNP gave us a trillion in debt but start mooing everytime negative gearing in mentioned .

You're no better than some of the others -it's possible for you to post a opinion without insulting others. You'll have much more credibility that way

 

[Big Al]

Which isn't because of green energy or the "WEF agenda" (whatever that is).

Energy prices are a mix of inadequate policies and framework, high transmission costs, exports, privatisation, and problematic infrastructure. It's...complex

You're no better than some of the others -it's possible for you to post a opinion without insulting others. You'll have much more credibility that way

Apparently insults instead of debate or opinions are how you convince yourself you’re right.

As soon as you drop to insults you have already lost the debate.

It’s a shame but i just ignore it because it happens every time something doesn’t suit the agenda and starts talking about irrelevant stuff to distract. It doesn’t work though.

Glad you called it out 👏🏻. I couldn’t be bothered because it won’t change a thing. I just roll me eyes and laugh.

It’s one thing to be passionate it’s another to be ignorant of others thoughts or beliefs.

I understand there are people with beliefs and i admire that but the Trump style tantrums are very ironic considering the beliefs

 

[Big Al]

fake fence sitter .there needs to be an effective method of Co2 removal .but hay chug alug along as usual ,do nothing .
blaming labor after the greens and libs lied in 2007 is typical ."there all the same so vote LNP as that's the safe option".
if you weren't a fraud you would acknowledged that the LNP gave us a trillion in debt but start mooing everytime negative gearing in mentioned .

What’s fake about having opinions instead of just posting facebook rants. Stop believing your own shit and listen and debate with out insults which you are incapable of.

You always resort to a distraction technique of another issue. It’s not working.

We don’t agree politically but why is that such a problem for you (yes it is don’t deny it).

Id happily talk about anything. I am happy to learn. Even if it’s just to understand why people feel that way. It’s just a shame you ruin passion with insults.

I love your football opinions but politics brings out the worst in you

 

[true believer]

Which isn't because of green energy or the "WEF agenda" (whatever that is).

Energy prices are a mix of inadequate policies and framework, high transmission costs, exports, privatisation, and problematic infrastructure. It's...complex

You're no better than some of the others -it's possible for you to post a opinion without insulting others. You'll have much more credibility that way

i don't suffer a fraud .nor should you gus . reminder that guy, you're advocating for
was the source of yes or no only answers islam wedge , just quietly.
you need to reliase that honest right of centre opinions are rarer than rocking horse shit .
you are solely dealing with grifters and echo chamber marks

 

[true believer]

What’s fake about having opinions instead of just posting facebook rants. Stop believing your own shit and listen and debate with out insults which you are incapable of.

You always resort to a distraction technique of another issue. It’s not working.

We don’t agree politically but why is that such a problem for you (yes it is don’t deny it).

Id happily talk about anything. I am happy to learn. Even if it’s just to understand why people feel that way. It’s just a shame you ruin passion with insults.

I love your football opinions but politics brings out the worst in you

i've never posted from facebook . im happy to debate any subject .
i also have them a number of this kind of fakes
otherwise why would they forcefully fire in a yes or no wedge on islam ?
yes or no

 

[marinermick]

Still waiting on links from Ozhammer on:
- that cyclones are becoming less severe
- that cyclones are become fewer (thanks Spacks on the CSIRO website link stating this and that climate change is human made)
- that solar and wind make up less than five percent of China’s energy mix