The Salt Mine: Dig Deep, Stay Salty

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

You linked the CSIRO website stating as such

Yeah but you weren't supposed to actually read it.

You're supposed to just accept whatever he said because he posted evidence. You weren't supposed to check the evidence.

You ruined everything, Ron!

 

[Ironbark]

I'm not expecting that, but [particularly in discussions on science topics] someone 'researching' on the net isnt equivalent to real research where observations are made, hypotheses defined, variables manipulated, data captured and statistically analysed then findings published for peer reviewed. There is no equivalence. It falsely elevates net searching, while diminishing actual research. Cherry picking to prove a result is the exact OPPOSITE of good scientific practice. Call net searching anything but it isn't legitimised by calling it 'research'.

Couldn't agree more

 

[Spacks]

Yeah but you weren't supposed to actually read it.

You're supposed to just accept whatever he said because he posted evidence. You weren't supposed to check the evidence.

You ruined everything, Ron!

I don't trust someone implicitly just because they have a Dr. in front of their name. Corruption is rampant in this country.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

I don't trust someone implicitly just because they have a Dr. in front of their name. Corruption is rampant in this country.

In most countries 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Big Al]

i've never posted from facebook . im happy to debate any subject .
i also have seen a number of this kind of fakes
otherwise why would they forcefully fire in a yes or no wedge on islam ?
yes or no

Well take the tantrum insults out and i too am happy to converse as well.

As for Islam wedge you might have me confused with others because i have never mentioned it.

 

[true believer]

Well take the tantrum insults out and i too am happy to converse as well.

As for Islam wedge you might have me confused with others because i have never mentioned it.

it was hs diatribe that went for a few pages .

 

[FFC Mariner]

I don't trust someone implicitly just because they have a Dr. in front of their name. Corruption is rampant in this country.

Hope you never get sick

 

[Spacks]

Hope you never get sick

Oh I trust my doctor because he's proven he can be trusted after 15 years of appointments.

You'd be the kind of guy that would let Dr Jayant Patel operate on you.

 

[marinermick]

Hope you never get sick

Dealing with hundreds of medical doctors in the last twenty years through work I am actually with Spacks on this one. There are only a percentage of doctors I would trust my health with.

Interestingly enough they are the ones doing the research (real research) in their specialty area, publishing papers and finding innovative solutions to patient care. These are usually doctors in public hospitals, supported by strong multidisciplinary teams, and given the opportunity to attend medical education conferences and meetings.

The majority of purely private specialists, that spend all their time churning through patients, and not taking the time to upskill, are the real worry.

 

[Ozhammer]

Still waiting on links from Ozhammer on:
- that cyclones are becoming less severe
- that cyclones are become fewer (thanks Spacks on the CSIRO website link stating this and that climate change is human made)
- that solar and wind make up less than five percent of China’s energy mix

Here you go Mick

2023 data for China’s energy mix from Our World in Data, which shows wind and solar made up about about 5% each not 5% in total (my bad but nonetheless a genuine misinterpretation), so the current mix in 2025 will vary from this but the bulk of their energy generation will still be from fossil fuels.

Electricity sector in China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As for cyclonic data, this is from the CSIRO’s own website:

Tropical cyclones​

• There has been a decrease in the number of tropical cyclones observed in the Australian region since at least 1982.

Tropical cyclone activity in the Australian region varies substantially from year to year. This is partially due to the influence of large-scale climate drivers: the number of cyclones in our region generally declines with El Niño and increases with La Niña. Intense tropical cyclones can cause serious impacts associated with catastrophic winds, storm surges and heavy rainfall and flooding.

There has been a downward trend in the number of tropical cyclones observed in the Australian region since reliable satellite observations began in 1982. Additional non-satellite observations suggest there has also been a longer-term reduction in the number of tropical cyclones since 1900.

The trend in cyclone intensity in the Australian region is harder to quantify than cyclone frequency, due to uncertainties in estimating the intensity of individual cyclones and the relatively small number of intense cyclones.

I trust this meets your threshold for ‘research’ but no doubt you and others will find a way to spin the data to suit an alternative narrative but I am sure you won’t mind if I and others hold you to the same standards of proof when you make counter claims whilst debating topics.

As for the topic of human driven climate impact, the Greenland Deep Ice Coring research project (amongst others) throws up some interesting results, including data that shows median global temperatures were around 2.5 degrees Celsius higher than current levels both 8,000 years ago and 1,000 years ago (the so-called Medieval warm). Both those cycles predate any significant human industrial carbon emissions, lending weight to the view of climatic change being a largely a natural phenomenon

 

[FFC Mariner]

Gina would be so proud

 

[Paolo]

Dealing with hundreds of medical doctors in the last twenty years through work I am actually with Spacks on this one. There are only a percentage of doctors I would trust my health with.

Interestingly enough they are the ones doing the research (real research) in their specialty area, publishing papers and finding innovative solutions to patient care. These are usually doctors in public hospitals, supported by strong multidisciplinary teams, and given the opportunity to attend medical education conferences and meetings.

The majority of purely private specialists, that spend all their time churning through patients, and not taking the time to upskill, are the real worry.

You could always get a 2nd opinion from Grok... 🫠

 

[marinermick]

Here you go Mick

2023 data for China’s energy mix from Our World in Data, which shows wind and solar made up about about 5% each not 5% in total (my bad but nonetheless a genuine misinterpretation), so the current mix in 2025 will vary from this but the bulk of their energy generation will still be from fossil fuels.

Electricity sector in China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As for cyclonic data, this is from the CSIRO’s own website:

Tropical cyclones​

• There has been a decrease in the number of tropical cyclones observed in the Australian region since at least 1982.

Tropical cyclone activity in the Australian region varies substantially from year to year. This is partially due to the influence of large-scale climate drivers: the number of cyclones in our region generally declines with El Niño and increases with La Niña. Intense tropical cyclones can cause serious impacts associated with catastrophic winds, storm surges and heavy rainfall and flooding.

There has been a downward trend in the number of tropical cyclones observed in the Australian region since reliable satellite observations began in 1982. Additional non-satellite observations suggest there has also been a longer-term reduction in the number of tropical cyclones since 1900.

The trend in cyclone intensity in the Australian region is harder to quantify than cyclone frequency, due to uncertainties in estimating the intensity of individual cyclones and the relatively small number of intense cyclones.

I trust this meets your threshold for ‘research’ but no doubt you and others will find a way to spin the data to suit an alternative narrative but I am sure you won’t mind if I and others hold you to the same standards of proof when you make counter claims whilst debating topics.

As for the topic of human driven climate impact, the Greenland Deep Ice Coring research project (amongst others) throws up some interesting results, including data that shows median global temperatures were around 2.5 degrees Celsius higher than current levels both 8,000 years ago and 1,000 years ago (the so-called Medieval warm). Both those cycles predate any significant human industrial carbon emissions, lending weight to the view of climatic change being a largely a natural phenomenon

Thanks for sharing.

Your Wikipedia “research” about electricity mix doesn’t state five percent for solar and five percent for wind but do s state 53.9% from renewables in 2023.

As for cyclones, Spacks already linked the CSIRO report saying that cyclones are becoming less frequent which I accepted.

Where in that link, or any other extensive research you do, does it say cyclones are becoming less severe as you claimed?

 

[marinermick]

You could always get a 2nd opinion from Grok... 🫠

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Haha, what if you clinician is also using Grok and spits out the sane diagnosis and treatment path? Echo chamber ahoy.

 

[Ozhammer]

Thanks for sharing.

Your Wikipedia “research” about electricity mix doesn’t state five percent for solar and five percent for wind but do s state 53.9% from renewables in 2023.

As for cyclones, Spacks already linked the CSIRO report saying that cyclones are becoming less frequent which I accepted.

Where in that link, or any other extensive research you do, does it say cyclones are becoming less severe as you claimed?

2023 is the most recent data I can find Mick, so I can’t state what the actual current energy mix is sorry, so perhaps you could, you know, share the ‘research’ backing your own claims?

This is the expanded data for 2023, which showed coal alone to provide 60% of China’s energy demand and given that more stations (plus gas plants) have come on line since then, that suggests that it would still be the dominant source. I’m not sure how renewables could be providing the levels of almost 54% based on this data but look forward to you demonstrating this.

Natural Gas & Energy In China | China's Energy Sources

China is the world’s largest emitter of CO2. Although it continues to invest strongly in lower-carbon energy sources such as renewables, China relies on coal for 60% of its power and is still adding capacity.

angeassociation.com

To your second point, there is no actual evidence to show that cyclones will be more intense Mick, just that some are ‘predicting’ that they may be. That’s not science, it’s just speculation and there is no data currently for anyone to claim they are getting worse due to human activity driven factors, that’s the point I am making.