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The Mariners in Asia

dbryant

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"Mariners to take route one all the way to Asia"

Michael Cockerill
November 17, 2008

CALL it what you like - long ball, route one, direct. The purists may squirm, but that doesn't worry Lawrie McKinna one bit. Two pre-season cups, two grand-final appearances, and a minor premiership is a pretty impressive haul for a club that now wears the "unfashionable" tag as a badge of honour. The siege mentality is alive and well in Gosford, and continues to be a great source of motivation. As we reach the halfway point of another A-League season, where are the Central Coast Mariners? In second spot, hot on the heels of pacesetters Melbourne Victory, and challenging for honours again.

Football, and how it should be played, is an endless source of debate among fans, coaches and those who wear $400 shirts, drink ristrettos at fashionable cafes and like to regard themselves as the cognoscenti. Of the latter, there are few among the blue-collar, thongs and singlet-wearing people of the Central Coast. This is Marinerland, where a strong tackle, or a gutsy header, is likely to generate as much applause at a home game as a nutmeg or a whipped cross. And McKinna plays to his market and his team's strengths: strong, direct, physical. McKinna may have become an Australian, but the fact he was serenaded by bagpipes at his citizenship ceremony proves he hasn't forgone his Scottish roots. The Mariners' style is his style, and damn the critics. It has proved mighty effective.

It was effective again against battle-weary Adelaide United on Saturday night, when three proved to be the lucky number. Three strikers, three set pieces, three goals and three points. The Mariners now go to Telstra Dome on Friday night with a chance of leapfrogging the Victory into the competition lead. One thing rival clubs have learnt is to never write off Central Coast. The Reds and Sydney FC did that earlier this season, and twice the Mariners came back from three goals down to level the game.

Which brings us to the symbolism of Saturday night's match on a barren pitch at Gosford. Adelaide United were coming off the high of the Asian Champions League final three days earlier, handing the baton over to the Mariners in the process. Just as Asia was surprised by the Reds' march to the final, so Asia will be surprised by the Mariners when they open their ACL campaign in March. Perhaps more so.

Whereas Aurelio Vidmar adapted his tactics, his ideas, and his philosophy to suit Asia, there are few indications McKinna is going to compromise his beliefs in quite the same way. Should he? Probably not.

The likelihood is that Asian clubs are not going to know what's hit them when the Mariners turn up with their battering ram of forwards feeding off the quick release from goalkeeper Danny Vukovic, a tall and muscular line of defenders putting their bodies on the line, and a midfield anchorman, Mile Jedinak, who prowls the centre circle like a caged lion. It's one thing knowing what the Mariners are likely to do. It's another to be able to do something about it.

In the A-League, nobody has quite got to grips with the Mariners' style of play. The ACL is another level, but the way the Mariners play is so foreign to the slow tempo of the west Asians, or the high-tempo short-passing game of the east Asians, that it may work. And it's always good to have the element of surprise.

The key for Central Coast between now and then is Andrew Clark, who sometimes plays at fullback but always works as the team's strength and conditioning coach. Clark is a hard taskmaster, but he's also a smart guy. He's doing his master's degree in sports science, focusing on the best way, and the best time, for players to use their energy. In the heat of Asia, that insight could be crucial. If the Mariners learn to switch gears, they could go a long way.

Thoughts? Do we play this kind of football? Is Cockerill right that it'll be more effective in Asia than trying to assimilate? Do we really wear the "unfashionable" tag with pride? Given the increased support and respect in the media from last year to this, is the "siege mentality" still alive in kicking in Gosford?

Interested to hear what you guys think :)
 

FFC Mariner

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f**k me Cockerill can be a knob sometimes.

He has been listening to his mate Kossie and has now jumped on the long ball, direct bandwagon.

When MV play long balls over the top for Archie, whats that called?

Playing a high line and pressing your opponents does not = Cambridge/John Beck style long ball football FFS.

PS I dont actually own a blue singlet either
 

Kareem

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tbh we do pump a few long balls up there but we also have some slick passing as of late.
Looking at another team with 'long bnall tactics' is the Victory- its wat works for them with possibly the 2 speediest strikers in the league- i dunno if they do it vs other teams but they do against us- and to somehwat good effect!
1st goal was good buildup to an extent- we passed it around really well and it paid off
 

dru

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Greenpoleffc said:
PS I dont actually own a blue singlet either

Geez Cockerill needs to get with the times, Hi vis clothing is the new blue singlets  ;)
 

Jorome Alexander Bennett

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I was thinking yesterday how someone in the media should mention our 3 up front barnstorming style.
This isn't exactly what I was thinking, though.
This will be remembered as a great season to watch the Mariners. We will win the league (I know you don't believe us), and we'll do it by scoring goal after goal after goal.

Cockerill makes some comments that call into question his analytic skills. I don't agree that we are as unfashionable as he makes out.

To win a match you have to score more goal than your opponenet. We don't care how many goals the other team scores against us because we'll score more.

We are like Keegan's Newcastle United (the first time) and I'd love it if we beat Melbourne. Love it!
 

FFC Mariner

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Sadly, Cockerill writes for a Sydney audience and has also been captured by the Fox/SFC love in.

It would be too much too ask for any respect, because its only us not playing "real" football that is stopping SFC taking their preordained place at the top of the league.

"No one likes us, we dont care"
 

Blair

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dru said:
Greenpoleffc said:
PS I dont actually own a blue singlet either

Geez Cockerill needs to get with the times, Hi vis clothing is the new blue singlets  ;)
Bahahahahaha i think this loony is thinking of the scum up north.
 

bikinigirl

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. i hate this sort of reporting - you would think we are talking about rugby league ... with the classy big city teams and the little team on the outskirts with little skill who like to play it rough for their parochial supporters. it seems all we (the supporters) want to see is blood which is ironic considering the way some teams play against us

. you could put any name to the mariners style of play, but it will always be route one apparently

. heading in to this season (and then the acl) i thought the plan was quite obvious ... big strong strikers with the guys who could put in decent crosses hence the addition of dylan, elrich & caceres. i assume this, along with our fast breaking style, is route one
 

Bex

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Nah, I don't own a blue singlet either.

I'm really keen to see whether there are any stats to support or refute this long ball argument.

I noticed that the match day program contains stats about passing efficiency, number of completed passes etc so there must be a place to dig this stuff out. Interestingly, our completed passes was only about 72% whilst most other teams are in the high 70s or low 80s. Only the nix possess a percentage as low as ours.

Of course, percentage of completed passes does not represent the number of long balls. I don't feel as though we put through significantly more long balls then opposition. However, it could depend to some extent on exactly what is defined as a long ball.

We certainly put plenty of balls through to the wingers but I'm not so sure you call that a long ball, especially when the receiver is not far from the half way line. Fair enough, if the defenders are back in their final third and they hoof it up near the front third, call it a long ball. But I don't think we do that very often (which is why I would like to see some stats - in case my Yellow coloured glasses are interfering with my view ;D ).

Sure, we put a few balls across field to the opposite wing; something I don't find unattractive when its a quality ball. Is that the dreaded long ball?

Other than that, where are these long balls? Its not like we stand on half way and boot balls into the penalty box. ???
 

BrisRecky

I'm an idiot savant without the pesky savant bit
I didnt know we had a seige mentality...F**K..i'll have to pick me game up then
 

bikinigirl

Well-Known Member
Bex said:
Of course, percentage of completed passes does not represent the number of long balls. I don't feel as though we put through significantly more long balls then opposition. However, it could depend to some extent on exactly what is defined as a long ball.

. my thoughts too. but i only watch other teams when they are playing us ... and even then i give far more thought to how we are playing than the way our opposition play

. an example was last year's gf when that team from further north continually completed up to, say, 6 passes across the backline (under little pressure) until a certain twin hoofed it up to his even more evil twin. that is the way you get your completed passes up ... and your team becomes renown for a passing game
 

FFC Mariner

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Quite, both scum goals against Perth were quick breaks with long passes out of defence.

Note that they dont attract this simplistic reporting
 

Bex

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Is there a stats site for the A-League? I wouldn't mind wasting some time on it :)
 

Kareem

Well-Known Member
http://www.a-league.com.au/default.aspx?s=hal_playerstats
not much info- shots on goal, goals scored, assists, + gk saves
and there is also links down bottom for shots off target, offsides conceded, fouls conceded, gk clean sheets + discipline
interesting stats...
Simon 8/28 shots (17 on target, 11 missed)
Macca 3/12  (9 on target, 3 missed)
Petro 4/26 (13 on target, 13 missed)
Caceres 2/17 (13 on target, 4 missed)
jedinak 4/18 (7 on target, 11 missed)

were u looking for something more?
 

Bex

Well-Known Member
Ahhh, yah. Kind of spotted the A-league stats a few seasons ago actually. No longball or passing stats in there.
 

Kareem

Well-Known Member
Bex said:
Ahhh, yah. Kind of spotted the A-league stats a few seasons ago actually. No longball or passing stats in there.
well iadded the blurb after all by myself- not like I got anything better to do...(coz compiling stats > Uni test tomorro) :p
 

Jaza_SFC

Well-Known Member
CCM play the long ball no more or less than anyone else in the HAL.

Lawrie's style of football is to move the ball quickly, but so is Merrick's. The only reason Merrick gets away with it is because his is to strikers going over-the-top and beating their men with pace, whereas Lawrie is to wingers or to a target man.

Don't worry, anyone who thinks otherwise is daft.

Oh, and fwiw passing stats mean f**k all. % of completed passes only indicates a difference between two sides when the % is drastically different. Otherwise every backpass and sideways pass makes a difference.
 

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