The end is nigh - impending doom - Moss out etc thread

[shipwreck]

Should have signed Liam Miller

 

[Capt. Awesome]

Should have signed Liam Miller

Because we need another defensive midfielder...

 

[sydmariner]

I thought that he was a LM

 

[tsd]

Liam Miller played for perth as the 10 on the top of a diamond 442 and the 10 in a 4231, played as one of the 2 AM's in Brisbane's 433

we have at least 7 guys that can play these rolls, and 3 functioning centre backs

 

[nebakke]

You could say its good but it also shows there is issues with them if he needs to mention them. Hope it all gets sorted soon.

Or it shows that the club reads their Facebook feedback and are trying to signal that there's no problem
That's really the thing, every single message that comes out is currently interpreted to the point that it starts to resemble those google-translate-lyrics that get translated to Japanese and back a couple of times
As Dibo has pointed out, it feels like rumours are being started based off rumours and somewhere along the way, they're starting to turn into 'truths'

 

[gull]

Maybe if the club controlled it the rumours would stop. As usual we get nothing but "everything is going to plan" from Moss so people start to form their own opinions.

It was a much better performance on the weekend (well in the first half at least), but i don't think we've turned the corner just yet.

 

[Wombat]

So the great thing is that this post:



...is now being treated on twitter as a source rather than rumour itself. Rumour becomes the source of rumour. Rinse and repeat.

Some people seem to take great delight in kicking rumours along without confirmation/denial etc. It doesn't mean they're true or that people spreading them don't have their own reasons. Rumours aren't always true, almost never tell the full story, people spreading them aren't doing it as a public service. What do *they* want from it?

Someone gets impatient with coach/style/results, gets half a whiff of something half true... Spreading them creates other problems though. *Perception* of crisis can be self-fulfilling, and people who are pissed off for their own reasons will be perfectly willing to believe it's true (*waves to Wombat*).

It was put to me that "people can think it's rainbows and lollipops or there is a problem", which I take to mean that unless you're credulous enough to believe any rumour going, you're in the rainbows and lollipops.

*Quick - believe this rumour or you're just a fool!*

f**k that.

I don't see a team or club in disharmony. Without seeing rumours posted on the net I'd have no reason whatsoever to think that's an issue. But there's always someone with a rumour 'for our information', bless their socks.

I don't know whether it's a desire to break news, to be the big man with the big tip, a feeling of being on the inside track for information or whatever, but f**k it makes it tiresome to be a fan sometimes.

Dibo Sir,

I can't believe that you want to bury you head in the sand and still throw stones at people while you still can't see. I'm trying not overstate the problem but it's becoming obvious for even a sycophant like you.
Let me know when you want me to spell it out for you!

 

[dibo]

Apologies for not agreeing with your every word, Mr Oracle sir.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I actually enjoy the tactics and Hutch arguments you guys have.

Sure I often think Wombat and I must have been given two different sets of genetically engineered eyeballs when it comes to player performances, but common ground, we all love CCM and football. Hope this will always remain the most important thing. Nothing served by things getting ugly. Wouldn't want to start to read like a Jest forum.

 

[nebakke]

Thing is, based on some of what I've seen here and on facebook, fans are calling on Moss to explain his decisions etc etc... Since when is the coach required to explain his selections and tactical thought processes? Should he maybe just open his 'play-book' and make it freely available?
When players complain that they're not being picked - and the coach is in favor - the usual response is that 'that is his prerogative' (the coach's). But now everyone's complaining that Moss isn't explaining his decisions.
Again... Did he not do enough last year, to prove that he can coach? Or was last season now the same 'unmitigated disaster' that our preseason apparently was?
And that's not even considering his years of service as an assistant coach.
And do you really think that Miron Bleiberg would do more for us and the team spirit?

 

[Wombat]

Apologies.....one glass too many.

 

[dibo]

Apologies.....one glass too many.

All good mate. We were yellow yesterday, we're yellow today, we'll be yellow tomorrow too.

 

[Gratis]

I'm just going to state for the record that I don't believe there is any discord within the dressing room. There's certainly no actual evidence for it.

When a team has a losing streak, and players are in and out of the starting 11, there'll always be a level of uncertainty and disappointment. It's not hard from there for outsiders to view this as a kind discord and once chinese whispers gets a hold of it becomes way more than what it is. A few wins and the starting 11 settles, the s4nse of being on track returns and the rumours go away. Watch this space.

In short I'm over the constant drubbing on about an unhappy dressing room when there is yet to be a shred of evidence produced just people saying 'yeah I'm pretty sure it's true' and will be disregarding it entirely until proven otherwise

Onwards and upwards. The fire in the belly is back!

 

[Einstein]

I'm just going to state for the record that I don't believe there is any discord within the dressing room. There's certainly no actual evidence for it.

When a team has a losing streak, and players are in and out of the starting 11, there'll always be a level of uncertainty and disappointment. It's not hard from there for outsiders to view this as a kind discord and once chinese whispers gets a hold of it becomes way more than what it is. A few wins and the starting 11 settles, the s4nse of being on track returns and the rumours go away. Watch this space.

In short I'm over the constant drubbing on about an unhappy dressing room when there is yet to be a shred of evidence produced just people saying 'yeah I'm pretty sure it's true' and will be disregarding it entirely until proven otherwise

Onwards and upwards. The fire in the belly is back!

Did you not watch the interview with Hutch after the game? He actually stated that they needed to "stay united" or words to that effect.

 

[Capt. Awesome]

Did you not watch the interview with Hutch after the game? He actually stated that they needed to "stay united" or words to that effect.

Anyone got a link to the post game interviews?

 

[Gratis]

Did you not watch the interview with Hutch after the game? He actually stated that they needed to "stay united" or words to that effect.

I haven't seen it but from the sounds of that comment that's my entire point.

Hutch's comment is not evidence there are problems though some will say categorically that it means there is dissent when the only thing you can actually be sure of from a comment like that is that the boys need to work together to get through a hard time

here's a made up example of the point i'm trying to make:
GrA says 'I'm not loving work at the moment'
Things that could mean - unmotivated, stressed, bored, needs a change, doesn't enjoy the exact project working on etc etc etc

If there was a GrA Fans Forum (I'm sure there's many) it would be a long bow to draw for people to start categorically saying:
'GrA is going to quit' or the 'boss has lost GrA's confidence', or 'GrA and his colleagues have had a falling out and now there is bad blood' or 'GrA and/or GrA's boss should quit'. Dissent is not the same as 'not loving it'.

The talk here has all been extreme extrapolations based on little to no evidence. I'm sure the CCM boys are 'not loving' their situation but for everyone to be so sure of a) dissent and b) a lost dressing room is really just jumping to the most distant conclusions.

I understand I may be wrong and there may really be massive Glory-of-last-year problems - but at this point in time there's just no evidence for it and I won't draw that conclusion until there is some

 

[Gratis]

Honestly I don't mean to stifle discussion and this is the place people should be coming to talk about these things, air your thoughts etc. All I'm saying is I personally don't buy it and that is why.

 

[dibo]

People see everything through their own prism. Different people will see the same things different ways.

A person who's a sceptic about the conflict stuff might not see anything particularly unusual in the comments made by players, coaches, etc. nor in the behaviour of players and coaches around grounds, selection decisions, etc.

A person who thinks the conflict stuff is real and pervasive will see hints about it in comments made by players, coaches, etc. nor in the behaviour of players and coaches around grounds, selection decisions, etc.

Anyone who thinks that different groups of people can't consider the same evidence and come to completely different conclusions needs to read up about confirmation bias and then come back to the conversation.

 

[localpom]

Don't buy into all the doom and gloom but am still baffled by Mossy's selections. I really don't understand why a professional footballer can't play the occasional 2 games a week? Hutch is one of our older players and seems to back up every time we play 2 games a week so don't buy into the "resting players" theory. Unless they have a knock. For an FFA cup semi i would expect that we would play our best team so why did we have Rosey at CB when as far as i know Poscolliero and Boz were fit, Sim at left back when Rosey or Neill(who was great against Perth) were fit. Kim starting ahead of Fitz/Tricky/Caceres when he has been pretty dismal.The back 4 were basically all different from any game yet this season and would struggle against any side yet alone the current best team in the comp. Tricky, Caceres, Poz, Fitzy should all have started. I'd really like us to pick close to our best 11 each week instead of all this rotation. All i can think is that we are happy to tinker with the side in order to come good 10 games into the season and make a push for a top 4 position in the 2nd half of the season. Mossy maybe is using the first 7 games or so to decide what his best 11 is and give everyone a chance. Danger is if we lose 7 or so on the trot which is looking increasingly likely then the pressure mounts, confidence drops and the fans get paranoid! I think we'll come good but it may be too late by then.

 

[Gratis]

Anyone who thinks that different groups of people can't consider the same evidence and come to completely different conclusions needs to read up about confirmation bias and then come back to the conversation.

Spot on. Knowledge of confirmation bias would be useful learning across the board for all humans