The COVID Chat

[Ancient Mariner]

Many more variants will evolve. Most will remain rare, but are a good source of sensational news.
See also sharks (Every October)
Worst bushfire season predicted due to dryness in the bush caused by no rain.
Worst bushfire season predicted due to rain causing increased growth in the bush.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

. appreciate the response

. it is now 3 months since my second fizzer jab ... and being immunocompromised i figure the effectiveness will be dying off about the time that things open up again and all hell breaks loose - sticking me back in the firing line

Hopefully you will be at the front of the queue for a booster by then. Follow your doctors advice.

 

[true believer]

I was online at an immunology conference on the weekend and there is new data coming out that antibodies are not dropping as fast with AZ compared to Pz, and while your protection from getting Covid is better with Pz, you are actually less chance of getting hospitalised and dying from Covid with AZ.

i had az and it was just like a flu shot . i hope they have a covid booster in next years flu shot.
as that's what i'll get . it's proven tech i've been getting for years

 

[bikinigirl]

i had az and it was just like a flu shot . i hope they have a covid booster in next years flu shot.
as that's what i'll get . it's proven tech i've been getting for years

. others may be better positioned to comment ... but i was warned of a necessary break between flu and covid jabs ( i think it was a minimum of 2 weeks) as one may compromise the effectiveness of the other

. doctors orders

 

[true believer]

. others may be better positioned to comment ... but i was warned of a necessary break between flu and covid jabs ( i think it was a minimum of 2 weeks) as one may compromise the effectiveness of the other

. doctors orders

yeah good luck with your issues .i had a carbon copy of wombats symtoms for my 1st shot.


ps very happy wombat got his to

 

[Insertnamehere]

Mick may be able to correct me here but my understanding was usually if something like SARS becomes more infectious, it becomes less deadly. Cept Ebola, that shit is f**k

 

[Ironbark]

I can't speak to this time around but historically a plague type virus evolves to become softer over time. Combo of killing the host and plague avoidance measures select for less dangerous strains over time.
Fingers crossed for more of that please

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Mick may be able to correct me here but my understanding was usually if something like SARS becomes more infectious, it becomes less deadly. Cept Ebola, that shit is f**k

They can go either way, however if a virus becomes more deadly, it tends to be selected against as it kills its host which limits its spread.
The main problem with Covid 19 is that most of the world's population has never been exposed to its like before hence are very vulnerable.
The way to avoid serious outcomes is to have some level of immunity no matter what amount. You can get that by catching the virus and surviving or having a vaccination. With Covid neither will probably protect you forever but should give some level of protection should you catch it in future.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

As an interesting addition those who were infected with SARS and survived appear to possibly be fully immune to Covid 19. Researchers are trying to find these survivors to find out if this is truly the case.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

. others may be better positioned to comment ... but i was warned of a necessary break between flu and covid jabs ( i think it was a minimum of 2 weeks) as one may compromise the effectiveness of the other

. doctors orders

The gap between your flu shot and Covid shot is to give your immune system a bit of a rest between having to gear up and produce antibodies. Gives a better response.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

I had some chills the night after my first AZ shot and felt a bit seedy the next day. No noticeable symptoms at all with the second.

 

[marinermick]

MM

Heard any think at your end... WHO issuing a warning there is a new South African Variant, that's twice as infectious and vaccine resistant..

{quote] There are growing concerns a new COVID-19 variant detected in South Africa could be resistant to vaccines after a study revealed it's more infectious and moves 'twice as fast' as other variants including Delta.

A new coronavirus variant has been detected in South Africa, with experts fearing it could be resistant to vaccines due to its highly infectious nature.
The variant, known as C.1.2, was first identified in May 2021 and has since been found in England, China, Portugal, Switzerland and New Zealand.

A new preprint study by South Africa's National Institute for Communicable Diseases says the new variant, believed to have evolved from C.1, has "concerning constellations of mutations".

https://www.skynews.com.au/australi...s/news-story/354126f83fe443b1dd6a0ec4558faa35

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Thanks. Will do some reading in this that’s not Sky.

I know there is a lambda variant coming out of Sth America that is more resistant to vaccines but less virulent than delta.

 

[midfielder]

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Thanks. Will do some reading in this that’s not Sky.

I know there is a lambda variant coming out of Sth America that is more resistant to vaccines but less virulent than delta.
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thanks

 

[midfielder]

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[marinermick]

Mick may be able to correct me here but my understanding was usually if something like SARS becomes more infectious, it becomes less deadly. Cept Ebola, that shit is f**k

In the past, yes, but may or may not be the case in the future.

People say that viruses are smart and get around the body’s immune system or vaccines because it is deliberate. This is not true. They are basic organisms and pretty much replication is a mutation meaning there are countless mutations happening daily. Eventually one of the mutations break through our defence systems because they are more transmissible or more virulent and become the dominant strain.

 

[marinermick]

Just did some reading on this C12 Sth African variant. It appears to be the most mutated variant from the Wu Han strain so far but there is little information yet on its transmissibility and potency.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

In the past, yes, but may or may not be the case in the future.

People say that viruses are smart and get around the body’s immune system or vaccines because it is deliberate. This is not true. They are basic organisms and pretty much replication is a mutation meaning there are countless mutations happening daily. Eventually one of the mutations break through our defence systems because they are more transmissible or more virulent and become the dominant strain.

The virus replicates in a hosts cell by hijacking the host cells machinery continuously until stopped. During this replication millions of copies of the virus are made. Fairly often a mistake occurs in reading the blueprint and a mutation occurs. Most mutations are faulty and progress no further, but extremely rarely a mutation may occur that is beneficial. When this happens it may out compete the original virus in the host organism, or it may be better at being transmitted to another host.
From then it is just a matter of how efficient it is in being transmitted as to whether it lasts and spreads enough to become recognised and listed as a new variant.
Because there are so many replications happening in each host and so many infected hosts in the world. The infinitessimally small chance of a successful mutation appearing becomes an almost certainty.
It is the major, apart from humanitarian, reason to ensure that as much of the world's population is immunised develop some form of immunity to limit the chance of a nastier mutations occurring.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

I suspect the best we can hope for is that it becomes a seasonal problem, hopefully not worse than the flu.
However, remember "Never make predictions especially about the future" - Sam Goldwin.
On the positive side coronaviruses appear to mutate less rapidly than flu viruses so hopefully new vaccines will not have to be too rapidly developed.
Interesting times.

 

[true believer]

The virus replicates in a hosts cell by hijacking the host cells machinery continuously until stopped. During this replication millions of copies of the virus are made. Fairly often a mistake occurs in reading the blueprint and a mutation occurs. Most mutations are faulty and progress no further, but extremely rarely a mutation may occur that is beneficial. When this happens it may out compete the original virus in the host organism, or it may be better at being transmitted to another host.
From then it is just a matter of how efficient it is in being transmitted as to whether it lasts and spreads enough to become recognised and listed as a new variant.
Because there are so many replications happening in each host and so many infected hosts in the world. The infinitessimally small chance of a successful mutation appearing becomes an almost certainty.
It is the major, apart from humanitarian, reason to ensure that as much of the world's population is immunised develop some form of immunity to limit the chance of a nastier mutations occurring.

channeling carl sagan ?

 

[Kilsin]

I got AZ yesterday at 2pm. Last night I had no effects and was dancing to The Voice. During the night my calfs got a bit sore and I had the chills and sweats but I was up at 7.30am and just felt hungover (haven't had a drink since Sat) when I got up. I do have a mild headache and my body is sore but it was sore before due to lack of massage. I have no soreness in my arm.
All in all I think there is nothing to fear in this Vax but my mate got one at 3pm yesterday and he was shivering and had a pounding headache at 6.30pm. I talked him out of getting on the Bourbon and he went to bed. I think for most people 2 days of feeling a little off is the standard.
I dont know if it has been fine turned but the reports of people having to go to hospital and staying in bed for 3 days seems much less than before.
I am booked in for the 2nd Jab in 4 weeks time.

My brother had his AZ jab the same day as me and ended up in hospital with a bad reaction, kept in for two days and he's home now but not feeling great.