The COVID Chat

[dibo]

The MSM and the sheeple doctors won't tell you this, but vaccines cause old people

 

[scottmac]

I agree but that doesn't tell you what happens 3/5/10 years after you've had it for example. Anyway it's done now so we'll see.

I thought it was interesting that my friends in the UK didn't want Pfizer they wanted AZ. Whether that's because of the different tech, the fact AZ was developed in Oxford or whatever else, it shows how media reporting or poor messaging can slant things.

I challenge you to find a vaccine that has side effects that occur after years. The vaccine goes in and is then metabolised by your body and expelled leaving your adaptive immunity (that part which learns) with a picture of a specific section of the virus which happens to be a protein spike. This only brings about an immune response in the body if that protein spike is present. Side effects from vaccine's occur in hours and days. Maybe weeks. Never years.

 

[FFC Mariner]

The MSM and the sheeple doctors won't tell you this, but vaccines cause old people

I can confirm, I have been getting vaccines all my life and I'm old - should have done my own research

 

[Ancient Mariner]

I challenge you to find a vaccine that has side effects that occur after years. The vaccine goes in and is then metabolised by your body and expelled leaving your adaptive immunity (that part which learns) with a picture of a specific section of the virus which happens to be a protein spike. This only brings about an immune response in the body if that protein spike is present. Side effects from vaccine's occur in hours and days. Maybe weeks. Never years.

I know of one.
The scar left from the smallpox vaccine that was given to Australian travellers before the disease was eradicated.
This scar (side effect) lasted years.

 

[greenlig]

The MSM and the sheeple doctors won't tell you this, but vaccines cause old people

lol Dibo did you just come in from the cold to troll? Love it.

 

[Corsair]

kinda

Reminder that some people have suffered fatal side effects and died after being vaccinated with AZ.

Yes the number is statistically tiny, yes you might argue it's because of underlying conditions, but they still died after receiving the injection. If that was your immediate relative you might have a different view.

There can be side effects and as much as you "kinda" know there won't be long term side effects, you don't know. These vaccines have not been used long term outside of clinical trials. Given the tiny number with clotting side effects from AZ, there "kinda" might also be a tiny number with long term issues arising.

That doubt is not significant enough in my opinion to prevent the rollout. The benefits do outweigh the risks, but it doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

[Insertnamehere]

Reminder that some people have suffered fatal side effects and died after being vaccinated with AZ.

Yes the number is statistically tiny, yes you might argue it's because of underlying conditions, but they still died after receiving the injection. If that was your immediate relative you might have a different view.

There can be side effects and as much as you "kinda" know there won't be long term side effects, you don't know. These vaccines have not been used long term outside of clinical trials. Given the tiny number with clotting side effects from AZ, there "kinda" might also be a tiny number with long term issues arising.

That doubt is not significant enough in my opinion to prevent the rollout. The benefits do outweigh the risks, but it doesn't mean they don't exist.

You can die as a side effect of eating. Its called choking.

 

[Corsair]

You can die as a side effect of eating. Its called choking.

That'll do me, over and out.

 

[scottmac]

I know of one.
The scar left from the smallpox vaccine that was given to Australian travellers before the disease was eradicated.
This scar (side effect) lasted years.

Occurred instantly. Good try, but no. ?

 

[scottmac]

Reminder that some people have suffered fatal side effects and died after being vaccinated with AZ.

Yes the number is statistically tiny, yes you might argue it's because of underlying conditions, but they still died after receiving the injection. If that was your immediate relative you might have a different view.

There can be side effects and as much as you "kinda" know there won't be long term side effects, you don't know. These vaccines have not been used long term outside of clinical trials. Given the tiny number with clotting side effects from AZ, there "kinda" might also be a tiny number with long term issues arising.

That doubt is not significant enough in my opinion to prevent the rollout. The benefits do outweigh the risks, but it doesn't mean they don't exist.

Yes. We do know. No one is saying risks aren't there. Side effects happen when you take it. Not years later and if you start telling people that "we don't know what will happen" your spreading misinformation. Do some research outside of your social feeds. Like I said in my previous post if you are worried about this effecting people years down the track, try and find another vaccine with side effects that occur years later. If you do you'll be a world social media hero and prove alot of anti vaxers right.

 

[Coastalraider]

I’d be far more concerned with the long term effects of eating stadium food. But we all keep eating the hotdogs and pies don’t we.

 

[FFC Mariner]

No one ever asked who made their pingers or where the dope was grown and who by.
No one reads the ingredients of hot dog.
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Just get vaccinated and get on with life

 

[Corsair]

Yes. We do know. No one is saying risks aren't there. Side effects happen when you take it. Not years later and if you start telling people that "we don't know what will happen" your spreading misinformation. Do some research outside of your social feeds. Like I said in my previous post if you are worried about this effecting people years down the track, try and find another vaccine with side effects that occur years later. If you do you'll be a world social media hero and prove alot of anti vaxers right.

(Edited to remove reference to potential loony)

You're 100% convinced there will never be any long term side effects and I'm saying it's unlikely but you can't be 100% sure, that's why there are systems in place for monitoring the long term effects. We're never going to agree so let's agree to disagree.

Despite being able to empathize with those who are hesitant, I encourage everyone to get vaccinated, the consequences and long term effects of the disease far outweigh any potential risk from the vaccines.

 

[marinermick]

(Edited to remove reference to potential loony)

You're 100% convinced there will never be any long term side effects and I'm saying it's unlikely but you can't be 100% sure, that's why there are systems in place for monitoring the long term effects. We're never going to agree so let's agree to disagree.

Despite being able to empathize with those who are hesitant, I encourage everyone to get vaccinated, the consequences and long term effects of the disease far outweigh any potential risk from the vaccines.

That paper you linked was not peer reviewed, widely debunked, didn’t follow proper scientific protocols and results were unable to be reproduced in subsequent experiments.

 

[greenlig]

Thank f**k we’ve got some immunology nerds on here!

 

[FFC Mariner]

Smashes 12 schooners, smokes a pack a day, eats junk food.

"Oh no, my body is a temple"

 

[Corsair]

That paper you linked was not peer reviewed, widely debunked, didn’t follow proper scientific protocols and results were unable to be reproduced in subsequent experiments.

Yeah realized it was shonky, hence removed.

 

[scottmac]

(Edited to remove reference to potential loony)

You're 100% convinced there will never be any long term side effects and I'm saying it's unlikely but you can't be 100% sure, that's why there are systems in place for monitoring the long term effects. We're never going to agree so let's agree to disagree.

Despite being able to empathize with those who are hesitant, I encourage everyone to get vaccinated, the consequences and long term effects of the disease far outweigh any potential risk from the vaccines.

Systems in place for monitoring vaccines are to ensure ongoing efficacy and safety for people to receive it if they haven't already and to ensure the vaccine continues to provide protection from mutations of the virus. Not side effects that happen years down the track. They just don't exist.

 

[marinermick]

Thank f**k we’ve got some immunology nerds on here!

I get involved in way too many conversations like this to my liking. Google Dunning Kruger to see why this is happening.

I work in immunology. I have a pretty good understanding of how the immune system and vaccines work, however my knowledge only scratches the surface of what I know about the science. It is complex and involved.

I do, however, work with clinicians, including immunologists, on a daily basis and their knowledge never ceases to amaze me.

I have yet to meet one that:
- believes Covid is a hoax
- believes Covid is just a flu
- believes that vaccines don’t work
- believes that we should not be vaccinating against Covid

To me, coupled with what little knowledge I have (and it is more than most), the word of those clinicians carry more weight than Joe Plumber, Greg Train Guard, Tammy Mummy Blogger or Ivan Footballer posting memes and unsubstantiated quotes on social media.

I encourage questioning and skepticism. That is how we advance science and medicine. But when that questioning is done without any knowledge or evidence it just erodes the good work people who have knowledge and create evidence, do out there.

 

[Ironbark]

...I do, however, work with clinicians, including immunologists, on a daily basis and their knowledge never ceases to amaze me.

I have yet to meet one that:
- believes Covid is a hoax
- believes Covid is just a flu
- believes that vaccines don’t work
- believes that we should not be vaccinating against Covid

To me, coupled with what little knowledge I have (and it is more than most), the word of those clinicians carry more weight than Joe Plumber, Greg Train Guard, Tammy Mummy Blogger or Ivan Footballer posting memes and unsubstantiated quotes on social media.

I encourage questioning and skepticism. That is how we advance science and medicine. But when that questioning is done without any knowledge or evidence it just erodes the good work people who have knowledge and create evidence, do out there.

I think I've got a meme for every argument, but this can switch out for vaccines just as easily