You honestly think that Hoole was more effective than Appiah? I personally think Hoole has gone backwards since round 1, whilst Appiah has given all he has to give, notwithstanding that he is limited in many respects.
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Round 12 - Adelaide v CCM @ Coopers (Boxing Day)
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DDS was good in his position. AU had no penetration and lost the midfield. They absolutely smashed us there last game.
So Paul gets a tick for that. Apart frombthe goal which was movement they never threatened. Sdcond half I don’t think Kennedy had to do anything.
Attack was impotent. This is where the over coaching comes in. Its way to structured. To quote Ned there is no individual brilliance. DDS does give us that, so we lost that in attack but the runs to give the ball are not there and we don’t control the ball at the top of the box. We always go wings and loose our angles except for a cross that the opposition see coming and defend deep. In the first few weeks storm was cutting those crosses in back behind and the second runner was having a shot. We haven’t had that since week two or three.
In the first half Appiah was running down the right. It was 3 on 3 or 2 on 3 and Powell is looking at him in anticipation of do i go now, now what about now. They have no connection on what the other is doing or wants. Appiah goes through and shoots straight at Izzo. They just looked like total strangers
So Paul gets a tick for that. Apart frombthe goal which was movement they never threatened. Sdcond half I don’t think Kennedy had to do anything.
Attack was impotent. This is where the over coaching comes in. Its way to structured. To quote Ned there is no individual brilliance. DDS does give us that, so we lost that in attack but the runs to give the ball are not there and we don’t control the ball at the top of the box. We always go wings and loose our angles except for a cross that the opposition see coming and defend deep. In the first few weeks storm was cutting those crosses in back behind and the second runner was having a shot. We haven’t had that since week two or three.
In the first half Appiah was running down the right. It was 3 on 3 or 2 on 3 and Powell is looking at him in anticipation of do i go now, now what about now. They have no connection on what the other is doing or wants. Appiah goes through and shoots straight at Izzo. They just looked like total strangers
Hoole to me is that classic hog in under age games that gets away with it because they are so much better than the other players there mistakes still turn into goals. They never pass as they know they can be the hero.
Now at the top Hoole is caught doing those hero moves because the basics of one touch or using left foot are not natural to him and he doesn’t trust himself to pull that off or his team mates to be better than him. That’s why he is rated highly but can’t perform consistently IMO
Now at the top Hoole is caught doing those hero moves because the basics of one touch or using left foot are not natural to him and he doesn’t trust himself to pull that off or his team mates to be better than him. That’s why he is rated highly but can’t perform consistently IMO
Anyone else notice how Pain bundies off his defensive responsibilities in the build up to Kitto scoring by allowing Strain to cross the ball for Adelaide’s goal? If Pain does his job, there’s no cross and no goal and we potentially come away with a point.
It was in the 14th minute and he’s not even in the same postcode ffs, so there’s no excuse for not fulfilling his duties. That’s one of the key issues as to why we aren’t winning or drawing games of late for mine, we are not doing the hard yards in games, where other side are. To be honest, his defensive game is really ordinary at times, which we can’t afford when we have the oldest LB in the comp. I wouldn’t mind if he was delivering in spades at the other end of the park but that side of his game isn’t good enough either imo.
I would love to know if those sorts of things gets discussed with the individuals in question.
It was in the 14th minute and he’s not even in the same postcode ffs, so there’s no excuse for not fulfilling his duties. That’s one of the key issues as to why we aren’t winning or drawing games of late for mine, we are not doing the hard yards in games, where other side are. To be honest, his defensive game is really ordinary at times, which we can’t afford when we have the oldest LB in the comp. I wouldn’t mind if he was delivering in spades at the other end of the park but that side of his game isn’t good enough either imo.
I would love to know if those sorts of things gets discussed with the individuals in question.
JoyfulPenguin
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I love Paolo and his style but the problem is that these criticisms are the exact same that his Young Socceroo's team faced. He seems incapable of adapting his playing style, dominating possession and the game but never killing teams off. We don't have nearly as many players out as other clubs yet we are completely incapable of playing. Paolo has had time to build the squad he wants, only Berry, Powell and Ascroft are not his signings a luxury
Merrick, Joyce, Kurz, Gombau and Kalezic are not afforded. If we do not make the finals this year, is it time to reconsider Okon's position?
Merrick, Joyce, Kurz, Gombau and Kalezic are not afforded. If we do not make the finals this year, is it time to reconsider Okon's position?
bikinigirl
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. i agree that DDS did well ... but comparing our midfield achievements to the last time we played Adelaide I think is a bit pointless ... the whole team was ordinary in that game after giving everything against Sydney the game before - and where that lethargy becomes most visible is if the midfield is dominated
. i am not 'having a go' ... i just don't want to have any credible excuse for playing DDS there again. i can't believe we wouldn't have been better with Rosebud and DDS in the starting side. we could have even used Harry if Okon hadn't have completely frozen him out ... not to mention Dingle
Just saying DDS was good there. Hoole should have been better. Hoole was really good in preseason there when DDS was still recovering. So I don’t think it was that big of a gamble but Hoole let everyone down. That said DDS would have been better further up and Liam would have played better than Hoole (in a different position).
I think the previous game is relevant as we had Wout and Tom and got smashed. We changed it up a bit and were an awful lot better. Not just a little. They had over 20 shots last time. I’m not sure they had any in the 2nd half
I understand what you are saying and know you weren’t having a go. Just expressing your opinion. No problems there at all.
true believer
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We were absolutely awefull . I don"t know why anybody thinks we are top 6.
No goals in 400 minutes is a crisis that will finish our season .
We have stopped exploiting our pace and so the goals have gone
No goals in 400 minutes is a crisis that will finish our season .
We have stopped exploiting our pace and so the goals have gone
Only awful in the front 3rd. We dominated the middle and clocked off for one or two plays for the goal and the save on halftime
scottmac
Suspended
We should have dominated the midfield but we kept turning it over and there wasn't one ccm person on the field that wasn't doing it. Silly passes into pressure or holding the ball longer than we should are killing us. When we get it right we are great until the final third where we take so long to get something at goal that the opposition have regrouped. Adelaides goal was a first time cross to a first time strike. Something I dont think we've done all year.
Wombat
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Yes 100%. Appiah tries hard but is a donkey. 1 on 1 with the keeper hoole will score 50%. Appiah 5%.
Appiah is a coach killer and Paul's blind support of him is killing him and our season.
Wombat
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Im in Paulo's corner but he is stupid at times, maybe out of stubborness. I'm also not sold on his 2ic. I have faith in Paul.
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Wombat
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Really??? to Scott and FP. It was dumb as f**k not to play DSS at 10. If you dont rate Rosebud then switch to 442 to accomodate Appiah alongside Powell or more intelligently Asbrubal and Powell together.
Forum Phoenix
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I'm with Big Al in that I thought DDS clearly did a good job at 6 but as said I still agree with you and others that he should have been 10 – as he's just too good to play him out of position like that. But analysing the game itself, I don't think our set up was the main issue though – wish it was.
We mostly nullified AU's attack and we still got into AU's final third a shit load of times without DDS at 10, but once there as an entire team we were fiddling around and looking clueless and it's not simply because our usual 10 wasn't there for mine – rather like you said we looked over coached, were not seeing moments, have footballers in key attacking positions that I think lack some attacking intelligence, and no proven/trustworthworthy striker... so while I think DDS at 6 definitely did not help our attacking play, I think the problem of our toothlessness is much bigger than set up. And toothlessness was the critical factor in losing that game.
We mostly nullified AU's attack and we still got into AU's final third a shit load of times without DDS at 10, but once there as an entire team we were fiddling around and looking clueless and it's not simply because our usual 10 wasn't there for mine – rather like you said we looked over coached, were not seeing moments, have footballers in key attacking positions that I think lack some attacking intelligence, and no proven/trustworthworthy striker... so while I think DDS at 6 definitely did not help our attacking play, I think the problem of our toothlessness is much bigger than set up. And toothlessness was the critical factor in losing that game.
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Forum Phoenix
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Da Silva not playing 10 impacted, but that was the only real change in setup... whereas Pain, Kubi, Powell, Adrubal, Hoole, all looked largely impotent in attack??
bikinigirl
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. in theory maybe, but consider:
- Kubi was back on the wing for the first time in a while
- Powell had his first start up front
- Astroboy had his first game as a sub (citation reqd as I am going from memory)
- Hoole was in at 10 for the first time in a long time (which apparently was a licence to take his ball hogging to a whole new level)
- None of them had DDS feeding them the ball or offering an outlet (same could be said for the returning Hiariej who was well below his usual level)
- ... and .... nobody has mentioned the loss of our other great attacking weapon ... McGing!*
. i do agree about the impotence of our attack - but there is nothing new there ... it did however highlight the absence of DDS in the attacking area. others have already discussed the limitations of our attacking players so i don't need to go over that again
* although we haven't scored tonnes of goals in this fashion, Jake's early crosses into the box have been a legitimate threat (it is others that have been unable to finish them). Storm wasn't bad, but he also struggles like Hoole & Pain (quickly getting to the 'ahh, what do i do now?' position when moving forward
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