Reffing shockers at CCM games (yeah I know)

[true believer]

Tonight's ref was good.

yeah he'll be in NPL2 next week for that

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

For all the efforts of Fuornaroli, Berisha etc, the only other player I can recall being sanctioned for simulation was Nick Fitzgerard - a player who has never dived in his life - who got a yellow card for alleged simulation (out near the corner flag - not even in the area) against Sydney, which was then converted into a red for a frustrated clumsy challenge a minute later. In the same game where a few minutes earlier, the ref had judged Janjetovic's goal-saving rugby tackle on O'Snake to be perfectly fair and legal.

It's when you see a couple of totally inexplicable decisions that pretty much determine the result that makes you wonder.

There have been a number of players booked for diving....IIRC Matt Miller was one of the first, and copped a 2nd yellow (except replays showed it was definitely not a dive).

Referees are always way, way too soft on it.

And don't forget that period of time when the MRP was suspending divers - NFI why that stoppedl it needs to be re-implemeted again.

I don't really remember the Fitzgerald one, vaguely remember thinking it was a dive though....

Fortunately diving has never been part of this club. We've had a handful of players who did it on the odd occasion, but it's never been something we're part of (though the haters love to accuse Matty Simon of diving, which is absolute utter horseshit). The only player we've ever had who has been a diver through and through was Asdrubal.

Some of our wooden spoons would not have been if we had better refereeing.

Remember that one match in the 1st or 2nd season with VAR, we had 2 absolute shockers, and one was so bad that they decided to change the 'level' at which a VAR would recommend changing a yellow to a red?

We've also had Simon get headbutted in the head in the box...last season was it? Sure, was a challenge for the ball, but the defender missed....

We also have to remember that Pedj Bojic was not pinged for handball in that third grand final.

Brisbane? Meh, their equaliser came off a shoulder charge you'd be proud to see in an NRL match

 

[marinermick]

There have been a number of players booked for diving....IIRC Matt Miller was one of the first, and copped a 2nd yellow (except replays showed it was definitely not a dive).

Referees are always way, way too soft on it.

And don't forget that period of time when the MRP was suspending divers - NFI why that stoppedl it needs to be re-implemeted again.

I don't really remember the Fitzgerald one, vaguely remember thinking it was a dive though....

Fortunately diving has never been part of this club. We've had a handful of players who did it on the odd occasion, but it's never been something we're part of (though the haters love to accuse Matty Simon of diving, which is absolute utter horseshit). The only player we've ever had who has been a diver through and through was Asdrubal.

Some of our wooden spoons would not have been if we had better refereeing.

Remember that one match in the 1st or 2nd season with VAR, we had 2 absolute shockers, and one was so bad that they decided to change the 'level' at which a VAR would recommend changing a yellow to a red?

We've also had Simon get headbutted in the head in the box...last season was it? Sure, was a challenge for the ball, but the defender missed....




Brisbane? Meh, their equaliser came off a shoulder charge you'd be proud to see in an NRL match

WSWs GF, not Brisbane

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

@marinermick oh yeah, legit forgot about that one

 

[Allreet?]

Two shockers from last year (not already mentioned) were that ridiculous penalty call against Kye (in the Adelaide game) when the shot (from point blank) bounced off his thigh and maybe hit his arm...maybe his chest...impossible to tell though they looked at it a thousand times. No way in the world was that a pen.

Another gear grinder was at home against WSW when their bloke holds back our right back (can't remember who) to get a shot away. Literally yanked him back by the collar and no-one saw it but me. I was screaming. 5 points dropped in those two games and who knows what a difference that might have made with the configuration of the finals.

 

[Ozhammer]

Tonight's ref was good.

Yet he wasn’t so good in Wellingong a couple of weeks back eh? …..

 

[Huddo]

Perez was targeted by the refs.
The grand final vs Newcastle.
the game we went down 5 v 4 to Sydney aka Heffernan broken leg.
Perth in the semis. where they then tried giving us a square up.
The Adelaide Game last year.

 

[Huddo]

yesterday, around 10 of em.

 

[dibo]

Two shockers from last year (not already mentioned) were that ridiculous penalty call against Kye (in the Adelaide game) when the shot (from point blank) bounced off his thigh and maybe hit his arm...maybe his chest...impossible to tell though they looked at it a thousand times. No way in the world was that a pen.

His arm was up in the air - it wasn't a "natural silhouette". It was a rough call, but it wasn't an error, just horribly unlucky.

Whereas the other two penalties given that night we're travesties...

 

[Allreet?]

His arm was up in the air - it wasn't a "natural silhouette". It was a rough call, but it wasn't an error, just horribly unlucky.

Whereas the other two penalties given that night we're travesties...

I disagree on several counts.

First it came off his knee or thigh first and the stupid rule says it's not deliberate handball if that happens.

Second, footballers aren't river dancers. His arm was in a perfectly natural position for a person diving into a tackle.

Third, after a thousand views you still couldn't tell for sure whether it hit his chest or his arm first.

And finally, VAR was supposed to used to correct an obvious error. The ref had been in a good position and deemed it no penalty. After all the above, how could you possibly call that a howler?

VAR was used to create a howler in that case.

 

[Corsair]

Second, footballers aren't river dancers

This fkin stupid way they put their arms behind them to prove to var (aka limit match fixing) they're not handballing is fkin massive joke and almost equivalent to trying to prove not diving for me. Refs are retards/political correctness gone wrong these days.

 

[Allreet?]

This fkin stupid way they put their arms behind them to prove to var (aka limit match fixing) they're not handballing is fkin massive joke and almost equivalent to trying to prove not diving for me. Refs are retards/political correctness gone wrong these days.

To be fair it's not so much the refs' fault. It's the idiots at FIFA who've tried to clarify the handball rule and only succeeded in making it far more confusing to the extent that there is so much more to misinterpret / get wrong.

If we could just go back to "has to be deliberate" and let the ref decide for him/herself we'd have a better game. I mean, when you think about it, how many people genuinely intend to handle the ball in the box? It's very rare. We ought to be seeing no more than 5 penalties a season for handball.

 

[Tevor]

To be fair it's not so much the refs' fault. It's the idiots at FIFA who've tried to clarify the handball rule and only succeeded in making it far more confusing to the extent that there is so much more to misinterpret / get wrong.

If we could just go back to "has to be deliberate" and let the ref decide for him/herself we'd have a better game. I mean, when you think about it, how many people genuinely intend to handle the ball in the box? It's very rare. We ought to be seeing no more than 5 penalties a season for handball.

Yep the rule change has everyone confused and guessing, diabolical position to be in for the game as a whole.

 

[Ozhammer]

It doesn’t even need to be a deliberate action imho, if the arm is away from the body and it changes the path of a cross or shot, it’s handball. Simples

 

[Allreet?]

But that never used to be the rule. Intention was what mattered.

That's still the best rule for me... by far.

 

[Corsair]

But that never used to be the rule. Intention was what mattered.

That's still the best rule for me... by far.

I agree. Straight red for intentional hb in the box? I think it should be.

 

[pjennings]

I agree. Straight red for intentional hb in the box? I think it should be.

Harry Kewell handball at the World Cup. Deliberate or not - red or not? Equally Thierry Henry against Ireland to make the World Cup. In the attacking box - red or not? Definitely deliberate - but a deliberate handball is only a yellow? Or is it only a yellow for defenders?

 

[Yorkshire Mariners FC]

Harry Kewell handball at the World Cup. Deliberate or not - red or not? Equally Thierry Henry against Ireland to make the World Cup. In the attacking box - red or not? Definitely deliberate - but a deliberate handball is only a yellow? Or is it only a yellow for defenders?

I think 'Hand of Frog' and Suarez v Ghana should be dealt with more harshly because of the lack of ramifications. France made the WC and Argentina (Maradona) won one on the back of blatant cheating. They say Kewell is triple punished but why not? Poor Ghana got knocked out when without Suarez intervention they win. In a knock out competition which could make your country world champions there is scant ramifications and in most of those examples the teams who cheated actually benefitted. What is the answer, I'm not sure but the current rules are not it. Thoughts?

 

[true believer]

I think 'Hand of Frog' and Suarez v Ghana should be dealt with more harshly because of the lack of ramifications. France made the WC and Argentina (Maradona) won one on the back of blatant cheating. They say Kewell is triple punished but why not? Poor Ghana got knocked out when without Suarez intervention they win. In a knock out competition which could make your country world champions there is scant ramifications and in most of those examples the teams who cheated actually benefitted. What is the answer, I'm not sure but the current rules are not it. Thoughts?

kewell got red carded because ghana were the last africian team left. they were never gunna have
all of africa knocked out in the first round, in africa .

edit

and after the 2006 german debacle of not giving africa the world cup

 

[Allreet?]

Deliberate hand ball to stop a goal is a straight red (I think) and has been for a while.

But I would argue Harry at least tried to use his shoulder and it was very hard to tell whether the ball hit his arm, chest or shoulder. Very harsh result - especially if it didn't hit his arm.