R17 - Mariners v Scum

[p-diddy]

Why should they? There's about 24 million of us and about 1.5 billion in the Asian group. But, by all means, you keep living in your nice little "Aussie sporting culture" bubble if it makes you feel a little better.

Well it's not like it would be difficult to adjust their rules in order to allow the actual champions of Australia, as the team who wins the grand final is known to be, instead of the premiers. Give the champions the automatic spot and allow the premiers to go through qualification. I'd prefer if both were granted automatic qualification but that's neither here nor there.

Ironic that you accuse me of living in a bubble when it is your supporters who try to deny the ideals held by pretty much every other person in this country.

 

[scottmac]

Well it's not like it would be difficult to adjust their rules in order to allow the actual champions of Australia, as the team who wins the grand final is known to be, instead of the premiers. Give the champions the automatic spot and allow the premiers to go through qualification. I'd prefer if both were granted automatic qualification but that's neither here nor there.

Ironic that you accuse me of living in a bubble when it is your supporters who try to deny the ideals held by pretty much every other person in this country.

Like Bex said........bubble.

 

[kevrenor]

Saturday, 19 January
Central Coast Mariners v Newcastle Jets
Venue: Bluetongue Stadium
Local Kick-Off: 7:45pm
Referee: Alan Milliner
AR1: David Walsh
AR2: Ashley Beecham
4th Official: Tim McGilchrist
Live and exclusive broadcast on FOX Sports 1HD and Sky Sports 3 (delayed)
ABC Radio Coverage - 1233 Newcastle, 92.5 Central Coast and online
Join the conversation on Twitter using the hash-tag#F3Derby
To purchase tickets visit www.aleague.com.au/tickets
Central Coast Mariners squad: 1. Mathew Ryan (Gk), 2. Daniel McBreen, 3. Joshua Rose, 4. Pedj Bojic, 5. Zachary Anderson, 6. Patrick Zwaanswijk, 7. John Hutchinson (c), 8. Adriano Pellegrino, 11. Oliver Bozanic, 13. Brent Griffiths, 14. Michael McGlinchey, 15. Brad McDonald, 16. Trent Sainsbury, 17. Anthony Caceres, 18. Nick Montgomery, 19. Mitchell Duke, 20. Justin Pasfield (Gk), 21. Mile Sterjovski, 23. Adam Kwasnik
*four to be omitted
In: 8. Adriano Pellegrino (promoted), 15. Brad McDonald (promoted), 16. Trent Sainsbury (returns from suspension), 17. Anthony Caceres (promoted), 19. Mitchell Duke (promoted)
Out: 9. Bernie Ibini (overseas – Club Brugge)
Unavailable: 10. Tomas Rogic (overseas – Celtic FC), 22. James Oates (ankle – 2 months)
Newcastle Jets squad: 1. Ben Kennedy (gk), 2. Scott Neville, 4. Josh Mitchell, 7. James Brown 8. Ruben Zadkovich, 9. Emile Heskey, 11. Connor Chapman, 12. Josh Brillante, 13. Sam Gallaway 14. Taylor Regan 15. Craig Goodwin, 16. Jobe Wheelhouse 17. James Virgili, 18. Jacob Pepper, 19. Michael Bridges 20. Mark Birighitti (gk), 22. Adam Taggart, 23. Ryan Griffiths, 25. Mitch Cooper, 26. Andrew Hoole
*five to be omitted
Ins: Josh Mitchell (returns from injury)
Outs: Nil
Unavailable: Ben Kantarovski (knee), Dominik Ritter (hamstring)

 

[nebakke]

Well it's not like it would be difficult to adjust their rules in order to allow the actual champions of Australia, as the team who wins the grand final is known to be, instead of the premiers. .

Did it ever occur to you that they might not want to? They, like many of us, might see the Championship as a lesser achievement than the premiership.
Look at it from the point of view of the ACL. To maintain the league, you want what you perceive to be the best team(s) from each country. While the argument rages in Australia, it largely rages because of tradition more than anything else. Consensus, whether you are for the Championship Cup or not, is that the league provides a better representation of the abilities of a team throughout the year.
Now, considering that the ACL goes on for longer than the league, they would probably want to see a consistent performer first, given that they only have one team to choose. Furthermore, "tradition" in most of the other Asian countries, states that the league winner is the "champion".

So... What's in it for them, so-to-speak? Why would they change who qualifies? On face value at least, they are getting the most consistent performer from the Australian league, playing in the ACL, irrespective of how we feel about it.

 

[Roy Law]

Just because I'm getting nervous... Last I heard Matty cancelled the trial with Rangers and so, was going to be available for the derby. Has this changed? I haven't seen anything anywhere...

Happy to say I think you are right
But no one seems able to solve the mystery of the disappearing Hearfield...

 

[Roy Law]

If it wasn't such a serious statement I would be pissing myself laughing. Oh! I am!

 

[Atomic]

Well it's not like it would be difficult to adjust their rules in order to allow the actual champions of Australia, as the team who wins the grand final is known to be, instead of the premiers....

You've said some pretty dumb things in the past, my bogan friend, but this takes the cake. Not difficult to adjust their rules to let the grand final winners qualify??? Is there nothing you won't say in order to justify your small, insular view of the world?

 

[Gratis]

Well it's not like it would be difficult to adjust their rules in order to allow the actual champions of Australia, as the team who wins the grand final is known to be, instead of the premiers. Give the champions the automatic spot and allow the premiers to go through qualification. I'd prefer if both were granted automatic qualification but that's neither here nor there.

Ironic that you accuse me of living in a bubble when it is your supporters who try to deny the ideals held by pretty much every other person in this country.

Still begs the question - why do you think the team that wins a one-off game, the grand-final (and a team that could have been as low as 6th on the ladder) is better or more 'champion' than the team that won again and again and again and again over the season against all comers? You have to work really hard to delude yourself to make that make sense.

 

[Gratis]

If it wasn't such a serious statement I would be pissing myself laughing. Oh! I am!

Hahaha! That is awesome. I was laughing it up quite a bit watching that

 

[bikinigirl]

Well it's not like it would be difficult to adjust their rules in order to allow the actual champions of Australia, as the team who wins the grand final is known to be, instead of the premiers. Give the champions the automatic spot and allow the premiers to go through qualification. I'd prefer if both were granted automatic qualification but that's neither here nor there.

Ironic that you accuse me of living in a bubble when it is your supporters who try to deny the ideals held by pretty much every other person in this country.

. the true irony is that they probably did change their qualification rules following the realisation that the 'champions' may have finished in the bottom half of the league ... and only won their title in a three week shoot-out fest (yet may not have actually 'won' a game)

 

[p-diddy]

You've said some pretty dumb things in the past, my bogan friend, but this takes the cake. Not difficult to adjust their rules to let the grand final winners qualify??? Is there nothing you won't say in order to justify your small, insular view of the world?

Actually, they wouldn't really have to adjust their rules at all. All they'd need to do is look at a piece of paper that says "x-team - champions" and that's all she wrote.

But I digress, the AFC obviously values the premiership higher than the championship when it comes to the CL and so be it. It's just hilarious that you guys have so steadfastly taken this viewpoint of what it means to win the premiership in this country. It's not even about the Jets winning a grand final and you guys losing 3; it's about the fact that you guys are legitimately kidding yourselves. The "cup" is part of the actual competition and if you don't win those final games then you truly haven't been the best team all season.

The argument about a team from the lower half winning the grand final is valid, but has it actually happened yet? It's a possibility that one day someone will make that run but every year so far the team who has won the championship finished in the top 2 in the season standings.

 

[Bex]

It's just hilarious that you guys have so steadfastly taken this viewpoint of what it means to win the premiership in this country.

And yet it's YOU who is engaging in a debate about it, by posting on a Mariners forum, a forum that exists for supporters of your team's arch enemy.

 

[Bex]

It's just hilarious that you guys have so steadfastly taken this viewpoint of what it means to win the premiership in this country. It's not even about the Jets winning a grand final and you guys losing 3; it's about the fact that you guys are legitimately kidding yourselves.......

So if it's not about it, why bring it up?

I'm done feeding you.

P-diddy? Yes he did. All over our beloved forum.

 

[nebakke]

Actually, they wouldn't really have to adjust their rules at all. All they'd need to do is look at a piece of paper that says "x-team - champions" and that's all she wrote.

But again... Why would they? Try to see it from their point of view... It is easier to identify with the straight league comp than with the Champions. So their perception is likely, that they are getting the better team... Whether you agree with or not.

But I digress, the AFC obviously values the premiership higher than the championship when it comes to the CL and so be it. It's just hilarious that you guys have so steadfastly taken this viewpoint of what it means to win the premiership in this country.

So us being "steadfast" about it is "hilarious", what is yours? Being "principled"?

It's not even about the Jets winning a grand final and you guys losing 3; it's about the fact that you guys are legitimately kidding yourselves. The "cup" is part of the actual competition and if you don't win those final games then you truly haven't been the best team all season.

You're making a correlation of your own there. It might be part of the comp, but it doesn't mean you've been the best team all season. By your reasoning, Perth was a better team than CCM last season, even though we beat them in two out of three matches in the regular season. Not to mention that we were 8 points clear of them on the regular table.
Not only that, if Perth had beaten Brisbane in that one game, Perth would have been the best team all season, in spite of only winning that one game against the Roar all season!
Surely even a Jest fan can see the strangeness in seeing the Champion as, necessarily, the "most succesful team in the comp".

 

[style_cafe]

That`s the funniest clip I`ve seen for age.
Mr. Celery you`ve outdone yourself,bloody brilliant!!
MARINER`S RULE OK!

 

[bikinigirl]

The argument about a team from the lower half winning the grand final is valid, but has it actually happened yet? It's a possibility that one day someone will make that run but every year so far the team who has won the championship finished in the top 2 in the season standings.

. with the current finals format it is becoming more likely. with a salary cap and small squad size the finals should be close, very close ... but neither of those things are designed to see who can do the best with their available resources for 2 or 3 weeks

 

[Gratis]

Finally - Caceres talk

"Rogic had been due to return from suspension in tomorrow's F3 derby but in his place vie four players.
"I've got plenty of choices to fill Tommy's spot," Arnold said. "He's already missed five games this season through national team duties and suspension. We won four and drew one of them.

"There is Michael McGlinchey, Daniel McBreen, Adriano Pellegrino and young Anthony Caceres, and I'll spend the next 24 hours thinking over the best way to put the team together.
"But Anthony is definitely an exciting prospect. I'd say he has as much technical ability as Tom. He's young but I think I've shown by now that I've got no qualms about throwing kids in if I think they're up to it."
Arnold admits that drawing a comparison with darling-of-the-pundits Rogic is to heap pressure on Caceres, but insists he has another jewel ready for the final polish.
"Caceres can play as a No.10 (like Rogic) or a holding midfielder, but as a holding player he's about building play and setting things up. He's that type of player.
"He has fantastic feet and great awareness. He knows where the goal is if he has to. He never loses the ball, goes past players comfortably. He's a different kind of player to Tommy, who's a bit more explosive. But honestly, sit back and watch this kid.
"I know three or four clubs were chasing him before we re-signed him in December."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/f...c-is-replaceable/story-e6frfg8x-1226556123470

 

[finally retired]

Finally - Caceres talk

"Caceres can play as a No.10 (like Rogic) or a holding midfielder..............
"He has fantastic feet and great awareness. He knows where the goal is if he has to. He never loses the ball, goes past players comfortably. He's a different kind of player to Tommy, who's a bit more explosive. But honestly, sit back and watch this kid. "I know three or four clubs were chasing him before we re-signed him in December."

I'm excited !!!!!!!!!

 

[MrCelery]

Tomas who?

 

[priorpeter]

That`s the funniest clip I`ve seen for age.
Mr. Celery you`ve outdone yourself,bloody brilliant!!
MARINER`S RULE OK!

This has gone all over Facebook now too, hahah. Quality.