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R16 - Victory vs Mariners in Tassie

12th player

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First 45 mins were torture. MV were superior in all aspects of the game except in their finishing. We only produced one clear chance and Kwas finishing was amateur. Imo MV's dominance of the first half was due to our midfield lacking ball players.Players that can hold onto the ball when under pressure. Both Mont and Hutch don't have that quality.They aren't comfortable on the ball. Their turn overs were careless and consistent. They missed simple passing from A-B.They gave away posession easily. GA should really start evaluating wether to keep persisting with Kwas (good in his prime, should move on) or have the courage to give Duke a go from the start.Same with our DM. Why not give young Caceres the opportunity? I said it many times because I always go and watch the youth games at Tuggerah.This kid is a better player than both our DMs. Give him the chance.Are we waiting for some other club to pouch him?Our ball distribution will improve a lot. I also think that Birnie should start ahead of Mile.Still top of the ladder but if we continue to produce perfomances like against the victory,some day we'll run out of fortune.
 

midfielder

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Trend to agree ....ap loves to pressure those with the ball .. hutch & Mont will not handle it ... olly & caceres seem to ... The next question is who can play the number 10...
 

Roy Law

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Tasmania is famous for the horror of its Colonial jails; somehow, after a brutal first half flogging the Mariners got out of jail.
I was worried about this game; more anxious than I have felt for any game this season. The events of the last week with up to six players, and who knows which other players too, possibly leaving in the dreaded January transfer window have the potential to totally destroy this greatest ever Mariners team. Who would turn up on the day, not physically but mentally with distractions of Europe and Asia and big dollars spinning inside their heads?

Melbourne Victory is never an easy opponent and with master coach Ange Postecoglou openly revelling in the Mariners woes how would the Mariners perform for this very important clash? Poorly, is the answer, very poor indeed. Only Mat Ryan, poor finishing and good luck helped the Mariners go into the sheds just 0-1 down.

Right from the start Victory dominated the game, their midfield strolling through at will leaving Bojic exposed to the double threat of Rojas and Traore. The Mariners didn’t help their cause constantly giving the ball away.

Archie Thompson is one of my favourite all time A League players, but his fatal weakness despite all the goals he has scored is he is useless in front of goal. Thank goodness; bless him. Twice he butchered golden opportunities. But if Victory don’t put the chances away they must know they are vulnerable and a rare piece of good football by the Mariners, with excellent work from McBreen, saw Kwasnik prove that it is not only Archie who can miss great opportunities.

I couldn’t believe how sloppy the Mariners were and it was no surprise when they conceded a penalty after clumsy work from Montgomery. How Monty was allowed to stay on the park is a mystery as he already had incurred a yellow. Arnie took no chances and eventually replaced the disappointed Monty with Ollie Bozanic who had been very unlucky not to start the game. Mercifully, Rojas hit the post to miss the penalty.

It looked as if the Mariners may just hold on, Flores shooting too close to trouble Ryan, but Victory swept through the non-existent midfield and Flores tucked the ball past the diving Ryan. It was far less than they deserved, they should have had two or three goals by this time.

Arnie then took the long walk to the dressing room, sent there by the officials, I don’t know why but he must have been seething at what he was seeing. All my fears about this game were coming true.

A tactical change was made at half-time, probably by Moss with illegal instruction from Arnie: Kwasnik was replaced by Ibini; McGlinchey moved centre mid and McBreen went up top. The changes worked, sort of, the Mariners improved, Ibini showed great skills at running by people although the final decision let him down. Rose was getting more into the game and Victory were losing their sparkle.

McBreen shot wide after nice approach play; Sterjovski volleyed a difficult chance over after rare sustained pressure; Coe brilliantly stopped McGlinchey at the near post. At last the Mariners were giving cause for hope that we could rescue this.

A terrible pass out of defence let in Rojas but Ryan blocked the first attempt and then produced a superb gravity defying leap to tip Rojas’s second attempt over. And then Adrian Leijer, a career Victory thug, produced the clumsiest of challenges and conceded a penalty. McBreen said thank you and easily beat Coe from the spot.

Rose cut through and was just wide as the Mariners went for the winner. Nabout dived and Zwaanswijk got booked. Milligan couldn’t quite get to the cheeky free kick which completely fooled the Mariners defence. Zwaanswijk just failed to get a touch to Sterjovski’s free kick. At the end the players on both sides were out on their feet, clearly the trip to Tassie is more taxing than it seems. Victory can only blame themselves for letting the Mariners off the hook for an unlikely draw.


MoM Mat Ryan – saved us totally
2 points Sterjovski – consistently good throughout
1 point McBreen – worked really hard in difficult circumstances.
 

Wombat

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For once i dont quite agree with you Roy.

Sterj had one great dribble on the edge of the box but that was all he contributed for mine.

Also why was Monty lucky to stay on the park.? The first card was never a yellow and nor was the penalty. Both were simply fouls....no cards needed for either.

MOM Mat 3pts
McBreen 2pts
Rose and Dutchy 1pt
 

Wombat

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First 45 mins were torture. MV were superior in all aspects of the game except in their finishing. We only produced one clear chance and Kwas finishing was amateur. Imo MV's dominance of the first half was due to our midfield lacking ball players.Players that can hold onto the ball when under pressure. Both Mont and Hutch don't have that quality.They aren't comfortable on the ball. Their turn overs were careless and consistent. They missed simple passing from A-B.They gave away posession easily. GA should really start evaluating wether to keep persisting with Kwas (good in his prime, should m.e on) or have the courage to give Duke a go from the start.Same with our DM. Why not give young Caceres the opportunity? I said it many times because I always go and watch the youth games at Tuggerah.This kid is a better player than both our DMs. Give him the chance.Are we waiting for some other club to pouch him?Our ball distribution will improve a lot. I also think that Birnie should start ahead of Mile.Still top of the ladder but if we continue to produce perfomances like against the victory,some day we'll run out of fortune.

Alot of merit in what you say.

Our team set up is very strange and for mine we cannot play with two defensive Middies.....i believe we need to play either Monty or Hutcho....but not both. I'm pretty sure you can guess who i would pick although both have flaws in their games.
 

dibo

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Why? I'm not sure he should be starting every week. The two kids have stepped up and his place has to be considered under challenge if not in doubt.
 

nebakke

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I can't believe I'm writing this but... For mine, I actually think Tesco and young Zac have proven themselves plenty. My perception is that Dutchy has been carded more already this season than entire season last year (I haven't actually checked, so really... I'm talking out of my a***, but that's my perception at least) which could indicate that he is a bit on his last legs and as such, could perhaps be beneficial as a bench player, moreso than as a starter.
It's not his fault, so more superstition than anything else I think, but it is perhaps worth noting that we haven't conceeded in the two games before this one and he's been out for those games. So our two young guys aren't doing too badly.
I see a LOT of value in taking that approach that has been bounced around - letting Dutchie function as a sort of playing assitant coach. Let him help the young guys hone their skills and use him to take over if we need to swap out a defender... Bring in a fresh pair of legs etc.
Also, no doubt both Hutch and Monty have their flaws, certainly weren't impressive yesterday, but all-in-all I'm with dibo here (if anyone cares ;) ) overall I think they've been doing an excellent job in that role... However, it IS a valid point that we perhaps should be using our younger guys a more broadly.
 

Wombat

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Why? I'm not sure he should be starting every week. The two kids have stepped up and his place has to be considered under challenge if not in doubt.

Tesco has been outstanding and Ando looks handy but neither is in his class just yet.
 

dibo

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Sorry Dibo....did you not watch the game?
Yes, and the other 15 matches we've played this year, the majority of which we've won with two players at the base of midfield: Hutchinson and Montgomery. See why I think you're off track?
 

Gratis

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- from FFA site -

Melbourne Victory v Central Coast Mariners: Can the Mariners concentrate?

The Mariners are so concentrated we’re starting to think Graham Arnold keeps his players in shrink-wrapped oxygen tents, distilling their essence every few months to create another set of clones for the Central Coast production line.

Arnie’s men were uncharacteristically chasing the game for much of this fixture, as the movement of Victory’s midfield and attack dragged them apart and created space between the lines. Melbourne’s movement off the ball was a joy to watch sometimes, and it was somewhat surprising they didn’t go in with more than one goal after the first 45.

As it was, Arnie’s clone troopers came back out after the break, reprogrammed, with the first half wiped from their memory banks and concentrating on finding a way to get back into the game. The TV commentators seemed to believe Victory should have got all three points, but we’d say the Mariners were worth the daw. Even when Victory were on top, they never looked flustered. And that’s why they’re on top.
 

kevrenor

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SYDNEY
14 January 2013

The independent Match Review Panel (MRP) - consisting of Alan Davidson, Alan Contini and Con Diomis - convened to consider the following incident from Round 16 of the Hyundai A-League 2012/13 Season:
1. The incident involving Graham Arnold (Central Coast Mariners) in or around the 45th minute of Central Coast Mariners’ match against Melbourne Victory on Saturday afternoon. The MRP has the authority to consider the incident as the team official was expelled from the field of play, its surrounds and the Technical Area for the “use of offensive, insulting or abusive language and/ or gestures to a match official.” The MRP confirmed that Graham Arnold will serve the Minimum Sanction of one (1) match, being the Mandatory Match Suspension.
During the term of the suspension, Graham Arnold must not:
a) enter the field of play, the surrounds of the field of play, the Technical Area, the players’ race, the dressing rooms or any other place where Players or Team Officials are likely to assemble to prepare for that Match;
b) be seated in a area normally reserved for Players or Team Officials; and
c) within 2 hours of the start of the Match and within 1 hour of the conclusion of the Match, have any contact with:
(i) any media where the purpose of such contact is for it to be electronically broadcast to the public, including participating in any post-match press conference and participating in television or radio interviews; and
(ii) any Player or Team Official.
ENDS
 

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