Perth Glory vs Mariners

[pjennings]

Frightening what a difference Matt Simon made. :'(

I'd also say what a difference Aurelio has made. Everything he touches he turns to shit. What has he done to our players. Mat today. Bernie with a sitter last week and this week. Amini can't even make the bench. These were some of our most in form players. Now he's picked Rogic for next week as well.

I'm only joking ... maybe?

 

[Wombat]

Lots of effort but zero quality.

Matt 6. Apart from costing us the game with that blunder, he was very good.
Bojic 6. Pretty poor.
Wilko 8. I loved the Sommer like driving out from the back. My MOM.
Dutchy 7. Professional display.
Rose 6.5. Worked hard but lacked composure.
WeeMac 6. Great in patches.
Hutcho 6. Started ok then was MIA until he got angry then fired up and played well. Fire up earlier Hutcho for f**k sake.
Rojic 6. Showed some quality but looked soft.
Olly 6.5. Brilliant work rate but lacked composure in final third.
McBreen 7. Worked hard.
Bernie 6. Looked good early.

Subs.
Kwas 6. Average.
Sainsbury 7. Looked good
Hearfield. 6.5. Looked reasonably sharp.

We have been very poor for two months now with only one scent game against Wellington that I can remember. For me the main problem is our lack of movement. Players like WeeMac and Olly go on a run and NO ONE shows themselves....no one gets into position to receive the ball. Man up and make some effort boys.

 

[dibo]

Matt Simon isn't the root of our problems. We took 10 from the following 12 available after Simon left on the 4th January. Let's not mythologise. I don't think it's Rostyn either, because we played without him with Hutch on the bench earlier in the season and did well.

Then look at results from 4th February when the Olyroos went away. One win and two draws making 5 from 21. Even when they came back, the chemistry is stuffed. An unfit Amini and an ineffective Rogic has us floundering.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Lots of effort but zero quality.



We have been very poor for two months now with only one scent game against Wellington that I can remember. For me the main problem is our lack of movement.

Dead right. Is it lack of belief, scared of making a mistake or loss of Matty Simon who was always available?

Got to start pushing it in the last 2 games.

Lose them and we could finish 4th.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Matt Simon isn't the root of our problems. We took 10 from the following 12 available after Simon left on the 4th January. Let's not mythologise. I don't think it's Rostyn either, because we played without him with Hutch on the bench earlier in the season and did well.

Then look at results from 4th February when the Olyroos went away. One win and two draws making 5 from 21. Even when they came back, the chemistry is stuffed. An unfit Amini and an ineffective Rogic has us floundering.

Yeah, I guess you are right although the spine of the team has been messed up.

There is no pass and move, looking for a return. Is it to much caution?

 

[Nathan Byrn]

Matt Simon isn't the root of our problems. We took 10 from the following 12 available after Simon left on the 4th January. Let's not mythologise. I don't think it's Rostyn either, because we played without him with Hutch on the bench earlier in the season and did well.

Then look at results from 4th February when the Olyroos went away. One win and two draws making 5 from 21. Even when they came back, the chemistry is stuffed. An unfit Amini and an ineffective Rogic has us floundering.

Ineffective Rogic? Huh...

 

[Nathan Byrn]

Matt Simon isn't the root of our problems. We took 10 from the following 12 available after Simon left on the 4th January. Let's not mythologise. I don't think it's Rostyn either, because we played without him with Hutch on the bench earlier in the season and did well.

Then look at results from 4th February when the Olyroos went away. One win and two draws making 5 from 21. Even when they came back, the chemistry is stuffed. An unfit Amini and an ineffective Rogic has us floundering.

Perhaps instead of making assumptions ask the players and the coach like some have. Matt and RG loss has been massive the players are devastated and after pedj, Arnold,moss and Rogic leave whats the argument then.

 

[Wombat]

I meant Sammer not Sommer......the brilliant German defender.

 

[dibo]

One sided, doesn't defend, has some nice tricks but doesn't play as part of a team.Amini on form is clearly better for our setup. I'd argue McBreen might even be better there.

 

[Nathan Byrn]

One sided, doesn't defend, has some nice tricks but doesn't play as part of a team.Amini on form is clearly better for our setup. I'd argue McBreen might even be better there.

That post confirms you have no idea about football. Whilst your entitled to your opinion clearly yours is a little off. Rogic is very talented(clearly) and very highly rated by most in respected football circles.

 

[dibo]

Of course, feel free to compare how we go with him vs without.

Tell me, would these be the same experts who think selling Matt was the problem even though we didn't lose for a month after he left?

 

[Nathan Byrn]

Of course, feel free to compare how we go with him vs without.

Tell me, would these be the same experts who think selling Matt was the problem even though we didn't lose for a month after he left?

Experts? Its the coach and the players. With particular reference to training and the dressing room. You have real trouble in understanding the emotional and mental aspect of the loss of players.. The players i have spoken to (about 9) say Matts loss was massive, surely that is obvious..

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Matt Simon isn't the root of our problems.

Agreed. I think it's too simple to look at him as the cause, but I don't think it's that simple.

Didn't get to watch the game, but that goal was bloody soft. I reckon Matt Ryan was looking into the sun, so I can't really blame him. What I can blame is pisspoor, lazy defending - why the hell was the defender behind him standing still, allowing the player he was marking to do whatever he want, instead of covering the back post?

It's stupid shit like this that costs premierships. Shoot me, but I firmly believed this was our year to shut up the naysayers.

After our performance for the last month or so, I don't think we've got a chance in hell of doing that.

 

[shipwreck]

Im telling you all, its that god damned cancelled GCU game!

That was the turning point, the extra week off f**ked our momentum royally and here we stand.

 

[dibo]

Experts? Its the coach and the players. With particular reference to training and the dressing room. You have real trouble in understanding the emotional and mental aspect of the loss of players.. The players i have spoken to (about 9) say Matts loss was massive, surely that is obvious..

The players might feel a certain way, but results don't agree.

And should we think that the presence of one talisman is the difference, so in the end the system counts for nothing without one guy? That way lies only a dark mix of hope and blame.

I'd have thought a football team was a bit more than that. A team can pull itself out again, get some wins on the board and get on with it. If it's all one bloke then it's gone and all the pissing and moaning in the world won't change it.

 

[pjennings]

...
Need a big crowd for a big game next week.
Keep the faith!

We really do need a big crowd. In reality Arnie and the boys have not had the support they have deserved over the last 2 seasons. A bigger and more supportive crowd may just be the lift the boys need to get some belief back. The crowd at Matty's farewell game - while not the biggest of the year really had a buzz in the stadium. That's what we need next week!!

We play before Brisbane next week. If we win we put a 5 point gap on them. They then have to play Newcastle who will be desperate for points to maintain their top 6 spot. It's about time Brisbane had a bit of pressure put back on them.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I struggle to agree with you Nathan, because frankly barely a positive word ever seems to come off your keyboard.

It's important to communicate problems, so then you can fix them and or learn from them.
But once issues have been established, harping on them achieves f**k all and nothing and that's when
it isn't causing damage. Can you please stop acting as though Arnie has signed elsewhere already, I'll deal with that pain when and if it happens. Not ten thousand times before hand. And the where will we be then? I'll be where I always am. At the game or on the forum supporting my team. Through thick and thin..

Also ditch the whole "You don't know football" bullshit. It does you no credit. It's the line of a tosser.
Dibo obviously knows football, he just holds a different opinion. Which are often insightful and always supported by reasoning, can't ask much more than that. Personally, in this instance, I agree with you and think he's wrong.

Of course Matty is a huge loss, and will remain so until we have adequately replaced him.

But what is happening on the field is NOT just the front third. It's how we are responding individually and tactically to the pressure other teams now know they have to apply to us. We have not been poor. But just not quite good enough. We need to find a way to take it back up another notch. People are asking why do we play well in the last ten minutes? Because that's when Arnie has been tactically going all out to win games, which is great, and to me I think to a lesser extent this is what is called for right from the get go. We have to start really taking it teams, otherwise with our possession football, we are now losing out to the mobility of Brisbane, the pace of teams like GCU and the physicality of Perth and SFC. It is proving enough to stop us from truly playing.

Rogic? He's a gun. End of story. But he fades.

Amini is solid with moments of greatness, but lacks the confidence and ego to truly impose himself on games. This needs to change.

As to PJ's Vidmar theory. It has genuine merit. Olly is negative and hesitates. I watched him pass balls off today, where he was in a better position with no one putting him under pressure. Tired maybe. But this has shown every time he has come back from camp and playing DM. HATE seeing great players not backing themselves.

On Mc Breen. He has done a great job in number 10 for us this year. Arguably the best. But much better than he does leading the line certainly. Personally I would swap him and put Rogic upfront in a heart beat. A player like that becomes incredibly dangerous when he's always running at the last line of defence and not the opposing DM's then the defense while pressured from behind by the recovering man he just skinned.

GA will do as he thinks best. But when things aren't working, change is always required and you have to let go of the past and what may have been working before, and find what's going to work in the here and now, with the players you have.

FP

 

[Wombat]

We would have won the minor premiership by now if we had held on to Matty Simon.....that's a fact.

 

[Nathan Byrn]

We would have won the minor premiership by now if we had held on to Matty Simon.....that's a fact.

Yep and the players,coaches and staff know it.

 

[bikinigirl]

Perhaps instead of making assumptions ask the players and the coach like some have. Matt and RG loss has been massive the players are devastated and after pedj, Arnold,moss and Rogic leave whats the argument then.

. ok i rarely have a dig at the players/coaching staffs professionalism ... but now seems a good time - if what you are saying is true

. to me matty has been a massive, massive loss but cannot be used as an excuse for us not playing well. if the players and staff are saying this then they need to man-up and take some responsibility for the way they are playing rather than pining for matty. they are professional footballers not love-sick teenagers

. the way they have been playing it is hard to argue with what you have said but that is neither matty's fault or that of his previous employers. the players need take responsibility on the pitch, not hope someone else will do it for them ... they have to be that someone