Patrick Zwaanswijk Gone!!

[Yoda]

Kwasnik is now doing the school stuff.

The IFS kids don't generally train as teams, and teams are selected fairly randomly, irrelevant of skill level for each game so that everyone gets some game time.

 

[Wombat]

Thanks Yoda
That explains a fair bit.

 

[Einstein]

Kwasnik is now doing the school stuff.

The IFS kids don't generally train as teams, and teams are selected fairly randomly, irrelevant of skill level for each game so that everyone gets some game time.

At what age is that?

 

[Yoda]

At what age is that?

At what age is what?

 

[Einstein]

Kwasnik is now doing the school stuff.

The IFS kids don't generally train as teams, and teams are selected fairly randomly, irrelevant of skill level for each game so that everyone gets some game time.

 

[Yoda]

The IFS kids don't generally train as teams, and teams are selected fairly randomly, irrelevant of skill level for each game so that everyone gets some game time.

I can only speak for the primary age group, but I'd imagine the same would apply to the high school students as well as the same philosophy runs throughout the whole school for other areas. The focus is more on individual outcomes than results for a particular team at a particular time. It's obviously quite difficult to arrange games for 270-ish students so teams are made up as games become available either against other school teams, club sides after school or occasional gala days/tournaments. Participation is spread evenly so that parents can't say "I pay the same fees as such-and-such, why doesn't my son/daughter get any game time).

There are other avenues for the players to participate in a structured team environment, which is still to be determined if it is better or worse for youth development.

The only problem that I can see from the school not picking their best eleven for every game is that when they lose games it may lead to other parents believing that the school is "crap" because they didn't flog our team when those kids train every day. This may have a negative impact on enrolments, but they have gone from 70-ish to 270-ish in 12 months so hopefully that perception is not being realised, but perhaps this discussion should be taking place in the IFS thread rather then the Patty is gone thread. Happy to answer any questions from a parent of an IFS students point of view though.

 

[bilo]

I can only speak for the primary age group, but I'd imagine the same would apply to the high school students as well as the same philosophy runs throughout the whole school for other areas. The focus is more on individual outcomes than results for a particular team at a particular time. It's obviously quite difficult to arrange games for 270-ish students so teams are made up as games become available either against other school teams, club sides after school or occasional gala days/tournaments. Participation is spread evenly so that parents can't say "I pay the same fees as such-and-such, why doesn't my son/daughter get any game time).

There are other avenues for the players to participate in a structured team environment, which is still to be determined if it is better or worse for youth development.

The only problem that I can see from the school not picking their best eleven for every game is that when they lose games it may lead to other parents believing that the school is "crap" because they didn't flog our team when those kids train every day. This may have a negative impact on enrolments, but they have gone from 70-ish to 270-ish in 12 months so hopefully that perception is not being realised, but perhaps this discussion should be taking place in the IFS thread rather then the Patty is gone thread. Happy to answer any questions from a parent of an IFS students point of view though.

I think another good point to remember is this school is about developing footballers at all levels. Not just those at elite level. Its not an Ajax style school where the best kids are selected and then drafted in. Its a school where parents pay to send there kids and get an education and additional football (or other sports) training.

There maybe times where there are better footballers at other schools locally as their Parents choose to send them to a different school for reasons other than football. I know of Parents that have said they would prefer not to send their kids to a football school as they want school to be academic based and football to be an after school activity.

Its good to have options as parents and having this school provides alternatives to the mainstream.

 

[Einstein]

Based on the last two posts in this thread, I don't think its the best place for my nephew. If he wants to play Football he can do extra training after his schooling. Putting weaker kids in with the better players has no benefit in Football development.

 

[scottmac]

Based on the last two posts in this thread, I don't think its the best place for my nephew. If he wants to play Football he can do extra training after his schooling. Putting weaker kids in with the better players has no benefit in Football development.

Doesn't every team in the world have stronger & weaker players in a team?

 

[Einstein]

I am sure they do, In terms of development it is best practice for like for like to be training together. Players are graded, selected based on ability. Weaker players require more one on one attention in a group environment, thus robbing the better players of attention. By adopting that principle they may pick up the numbers but, and its a big BUT, it may be detrimental to the more technically gifted players in the team. Your only as strong as your weakest link.

 

[dibo]

In the skill acquisition phase (up to age 13), that's probably less true than in the game training phase (14 to 17).

There's a key philosophical issue here - is this an academy or a school for people who want to have football integrated into their education? If it's an academy, it has to function like the AIS and have strictly selective operations and essentially make their quality dependent on the quality of the best player they reject (the weakest link theory).

If it's a school for people to be able to opt-in to a strong football education woven into their schooling, then you leave an open door or have a minimally selective process - a bit like if you send your kid to a Catholic school, you're not expecting them to graduate as a pope, just someone who had a good education with a solid streak of Catholicism. The school will probably ask that you at least be baptised and whatnot, but they're not going to examine you on your understanding of papal encyclicals.

 

[Einstein]

In the skill acquisition phase (up to age 13), that's probably less true than in the game training phase (14 to 17).

There's a key philosophical issue here - is this an academy or a school for people who want to have football integrated into their education? If it's an academy, it has to function like the AIS and have strictly selective operations and essentially make their quality dependent on the quality of the best player they reject (the weakest link theory).

If it's a school for people to be able to opt-in to a strong football education woven into their schooling, then you leave an open door or have a minimally selective process - a bit like if you send your kid to a Catholic school, you're not expecting them to graduate as a pope, just someone who had a good education with a solid streak of Catholicism. The school will probably ask that you at least be baptised and whatnot, but they're not going to examine you on your understanding of papal encyclicals.

Yes well put!

 

[Yoda]

Found this little snippet on the Telecrap website......

COAST IN COURT

It wouldn’t be a soccer season without coaching dramas and internal squabbling. Central Coast Mariners stalwart, Dutch star Patrick Zwaanswijk, is suing the club after being sacked as youth team coach and first grade assistant

 

[dibo]

Oh. Goodo.

 

[nearlyyellow]

Dear oh bloody dear. More ammunition for the haters.

 

[Jaundice]

FFS.

 

[Roy Law]

Found this little snippet on the Telecrap website......

COAST IN COURT

It wouldn’t be a soccer season without coaching dramas and internal squabbling. Central Coast Mariners stalwart, Dutch star Patrick Zwaanswijk, is suing the club after being sacked as youth team coach and first grade assistant

How could it get to court - what about arbitration? Seems a bit over the top. Arrogant English owner v Arrogant Dutchman...?
Still, we might have some dirty linen to read

 

[shipwreck]

f**k me! Club legend

 

[priorpeter]

Apparently he's close to signing with SEU for next season #rumourmill

 

[neverwozza]

Apparently he's close to signing with SEU for next season #rumourmill

That peninsula derby is going to be huge if both him and Keith gumbs play for seu next year.