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NRL Hooligans thread

dibo

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keensy said:
serious14 said:
Gotta love how his single criticism of AFL was the draft system...... something the NRL doesn't even have.  And his criticism of football??    Well, he couldn't come up with anything specific, so he just goes for the generic "long way to go" bullshit.  But as Greenpole said, even this knob is calling the game by it's right name.

Guess we've come a long way already Mr. Gallop??  F*cking moron.
i don't mind people disliking rugby league, but you are trying a little too hard to find a reason to criticise what he has said here.

Tell me how he is wrong by saying that football still has a long way to go in this country???

i don't think he's criticising football at all. frankly, i like the fact that he acknowledges we've got a long way to go. he's saying (without saying in so many words) that we're still on the upward part of the curve, there's growth to come and we're going to get bigger yet but that to get there will require more work and more development. i can't find a thing wrong with that.

i'd be much more concerned if he said that football is already at maturity and that instead of having more to come, the lemon is squeezed dry.

RECKY said:
you would think...given that the NRL are being run by mildly intelligent quasi-humans...that they would realise its time to stop putting teams in the SFS/ANZ/etc....the teams that are using these venues, go back to your original home grounds you dolts...then maybe just maybe they wont look as stupid on tele with 2000 people where 60,000 should be

SFS is easts' traditional home ground, back from when it was the sydney sports ground. it's just that they've never drawn big crowds compared to the canterburys, parramattas and st georges of the rugby league.

NRL isn't dying, it's just that it's not growing (you could argue that that means they're dying, but it's a very very slow process - many decades worth).

their crowds are pretty stable around their long term average (if someone wants to jump up and talk about inflated crowds, i'd remind them that crowds have been overstated at sporting events since adam was a boy).

a tidying up of the competition structure, a team moving holus bolus to gosford (partly to tap gosford, partly to slightly de-congest sydney), a shift towards a membership driven structure rather than pokie revenue, they'll get back on track before you know it.

the AFL was in a similar position only 10-15 years ago, and now look at them.
 

FFC Mariner

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a tidying up of the competition structure, a team moving holus bolus to gosford (partly to tap gosford, partly to slightly de-congest sydney), a shift towards a membership driven structure rather than pokie revenue, they'll get back on track before you know it.

A good and sensible plan that will never get up because:

1) There are too many bodies controlling the game (ARL,NRL,CRL,QRL etc)

2) Uncle Rupert will drop them like a hot rock if he thinks they are on their way out.

3) Gallop is so inept he could do Iemma's job

4) How are they going to convince people who wont go to games in the 1st place to pay for memberships??
 

dibo

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across the clubs, they're pumping the memberships thing. i get letters every year (which granted, i ignore) from the dragons inviting me to become a red v member, but they are refining the product and more people are taking it up. their members get to vote on things that affect the running of the club too, unlike us (look at the members' coup at the bulldogs earlier this year).

gallop's working hard in a tough spot. the ARL/NSWRL/CRL/QRL (and you forgot NRL) thing works to a point - they're all basically organising their own small patches. the NRL is the one we all generally talk about because it's the body organising the club competition. only when they start banging heads does it really fall over, and in a frontline sense that's not all that often.

it's also not a unique problem - look at the raging cyclonic clusterf**k that is football in NSW.

the perceived troubles that rugby league is facing at the moment are actually the thing that will get them back on track - only when people perceive there to be a problem will changes actually happen.

i wouldn't be too surprised if behind the scenes the NRL in particular are feeding a few things out to try to shake loose some of the rusted on types who won't accept any sort of change in the game. by his comments a few weeks ago i think they've got piggins loose and more will follow.

they need change, but the sense of crisis needs to be big enough for the clubs (and their fans) to bite the bullet and make a commitment to do things differently, and for the competition as a whole to embrace new ideas.
 

midfielder

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Very interesting article in the smh today were JON puts football in front of RL. Not sure about that just now ............. but his analysis is worth a Captain Cook

http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/n...468238633.html

Numbers game will bar code

Jacquelin Magnay | June 16, 2008

........................

AUSTRALIAN Rugby Union boss John O'Neill has given a blunt warning that one of the football codes might not survive. He reckons it will come down to the survival of rugby union or rugby league, not both.

O'Neill said yesterday that league and union need to protect their own backyards as much as concentrate on interstate and overseas expansion because of the crowded marketplace and aggressive pursuit of new territories by the AFL and soccer.


.............  But I think we know there is a gorilla in the room called AFL and we know, .............I know, that football is the big mover and shaker - .......................

........................But National Rugby League chief executive David Gallop told the Herald the future of rugby league is "rosy and going from strength to strength".
"
 

serious14

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dibo said:
i don't think he's criticising football at all. frankly, i like the fact that he acknowledges we've got a long way to go. he's saying (without saying in so many words) that we're still on the upward part of the curve, there's growth to come and we're going to get bigger yet but that to get there will require more work and more development. i can't find a thing wrong with that.

If you saw the interview with him you'd understand my annoyance.  It was said with that typically snarky critical voice he uses in that small minded manner he carries himself about with.      Seriously, if "football has a long way to go" is the sole criticism he can come up with towards the sport that is going to bury his "game" in this country, then I would be worried if I was the NRL.  Gallop is a weak, pathetic joke of a CEO who will continue to insist that "the future of footy is rosy in Australia" when the ship is halfway underwater.  It's quite sad to watch in a train-wreck kind of way.

Say before this membership caper of theirs (aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha, don't make me laugh!!!!) is fully introduced across all of the clubs, the poker machine tax is raised yet again, because of some revolutionary social study that conclusively proves beyond all doubt that "gambling is bad", no questions asked - and to counteract the presence of said machines in clubs in this state, the government raises the tax to a level where the clubs actively start removing them.  Seriously, at least 4 clubs would be dead overnight.  In a sport where the operating budget of a club is around the 10 million dollar mark annually, a loss of 2 to 3 million dollars within a few months at the most...... it is not sustainable, and anyone thinks it is has rocks in their heads.

Quite frankly, NRL is like Ansett.  No-one will admit that it's on its way down (doooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn), but will act with total surprise when it does happen.
 

Sean

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http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23880990-23214,00.html

I think we will be seeing more of these articles throughout this and the next few seasons.
 

FFC Mariner

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And away we go again - 2 Canberra Raiders players in an "incident" (Allegedly)

http://news.smh.com.au/sport/carney-goodwin-stood-down-pending-probe-20080722-3j5q.html
 

FFC Mariner

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After SBW gets out of immigration at Heathrow, he tried to enter on a Samoan passport with no visa (according to 2UE)

Mind you, how funny is it to hear their whining.
 

serious14

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/blinkered-view-in-the-grandstand/2008/07/29/1217097237942.html

Someone has the balls to tell it how it is - wonder how many angry letters this guy is going to get tomorrow??

"Rugby league is undergoing a bout of unusually deep soul-searching after announcements of the departure of two of its finest exponents, Sonny Bill Williams and Mark Gasnier, to the euro-paved pitches of French rugby union.

This dramatic news has broken when several clubs are struggling financially, and league administrators are becoming concerned about the expansionism of football (once known as soccer) and Australian rules (now establishing a bridgehead in Sydney's western suburbs league heartland).

It is a bitter irony the code is celebrating its first 100 years in Australia. The Rugby League World Cup to be staged here this year, with its 10 teams in three uneven pools, will serve to show how small the rugby league world is in the context of global sport. All this is not terribly surprising, but league devotees have been distinguished by their reluctance to look beyond the game's popularity in NSW and Queensland.

Coolly appraised, league is a code largely confined to the shores of the Tasman Sea in an intensely competitive national market that cannot be insulated from external forces. All sport relies on passionate identification by fans with clubs and players, and league has that in spades. But there are not enough fans, and they are too concentrated in a few areas, for league's prognosis to be benign.

That league is so popular on pay TV but has relatively small crowds stranded in oversized stadiums says something significant about its health and future. The Williams and Gasnier cases, and the steady leakage of lesser lights to the English Super League (a misnomer if ever there was one), do not mean that league is dying. The game can find its niche in parts of Australasia and northern Europe, but its future lies in consolidation and managed decline, rather than imperialistic sporting growth.

Two years ago I tried to do my bit for analysing the state of league when delivering the annual Tom Brock lecture at its stronghold, the NSW Leagues Club, following in the distinguished footsteps of diehard rugby league folk such as Tom Keneally, Roy Masters and Alex Buzo. Its provocative title, The Stuff Of Dreams, Or The Dream Stuffed? Rugby League, Media Empires, Sex Scandals And Global Plays, signalled the need to ask some hard questions about league.

I argued that despite official assertions of a thriving truce since the Super League war, the scars of the Murdoch-Packer collision are still visible and have compromised league's claim to be the "people's game". Sexual, alcohol-related and financial scandals have eroded its moral authority. When considered against the rapidly developing world game of football, the poorly managed but reasonably international and well-connected rugby union, and the vibrant national indigenous game of Australian rules, league was looking at the permanent wooden spoon among the four codes.

I got a good hearing from those who love the game and think deeply about its welfare, but also received a fair bit of abuse by email, phone and on websites - and even some snide comments from the Fairfax press. Today, though, such heresies have become orthodox, and fewer league aficionados and mavens seem to be in denial.

Rugby league, though, is not the only sport confronting these issues in a world where the sports business can conjure up mind-boggling piles of dosh to tempt professionals to switch countries, clubs and codes faster than they can say, "I'm really committed to What's the team's name again?"

Even the English Premier League football leviathan has problems, with this northern summer's sports news silly season dominated by Cristiano Ronaldo's determination to leave Manchester United for Real Madrid. Ronaldo has another four years to run on a contract worth $250,000 a week, but received encouragement from Sepp Blatter, the president of the world football governing body, FIFA, who sees Ronaldo's case as symptomatic of "too much modern slavery" in the game. Setting aside the gross offence to the real slaves who were sentenced to lives of unpaid servitude in foreign lands, Sonny Bill's reported weekly pay in France will be barely a tenth of Ronaldo's.

In its centenary year rugby league has been revealed as fairly small beer in global terms, and faces the prospect of a diminished place in the hierarchy of Australian sport. The first step in ensuring its future is to dispense with its well-developed propensity for self-delusion.

Professor David Rowe is director of the centre for cultural research, University of Western Sydney, and author of Sport, Culture And The Media: The Unruly Trinity."
 

northernspirit

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interesting read, i dont usually read articles that long but it was worth it :p
i like how he compared the pay of ronaldo from man utd to SBW and how insignificant even his pay is in real terms
 

Arabmariner

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serious14 said:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/blinkered-view-in-the-grandstand/2008/07/29/1217097237942.html
managed decline,
I like that bit.

Managed decline = slow death.

I can't wait to see them make a total arse of themselves with their joke world cup.
 

serious14

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Arabmariner said:
serious14 said:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/blinkered-view-in-the-grandstand/2008/07/29/1217097237942.html
managed decline,
I like that bit.

Managed decline = slow death.

I can't wait to see them make a total arse of themselves with their joke world cup.

When's that on??  I thought that comp. at the end of the year was just a bunch of friendlies, then they give Australia a trophy??  ;)
 

Arabmariner

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serious14 said:
Arabmariner said:
serious14 said:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/blinkered-view-in-the-grandstand/2008/07/29/1217097237942.html
managed decline,
I like that bit.

Managed decline = slow death.

I can't wait to see them make a total arse of themselves with their joke world cup.

When's that on??  I thought that comp. at the end of the year was just a bunch of friendlies, then they give Australia a trophy??  ;)
RL World Cup is Australia and several other teams full of 2nd rate Australians who may have visited or read about a particular country once or twice thereby qualifying them to play for that country.
The games then commence as per serious's description above! :tv:
 

Bladesman

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What I find interesting in this is the players are calling for more money, telling the NRL to get more sponsors so they can pay them more yet they are the ones that are driving the sponsors from the game with their off field behaviour.

Times have seriously changed in corporate land with the new breed of executives brought up watching and playing football, lots more women controlling where the sponsorship $ goes and in todays climate there are big cut backs in corporate spending.

Do sponsors want to risk putting their money in league where they are likley to get bad press from player behaviour, a lot of the people they wish to entertain are not interested sport and when you also consider for things such as company events you could get the likes of Aloisi, Liz Ellis, Paul Roos, world champion athletes or swimmers as opposed to the NRL players I know where the companies I deal with are tending to put the $. 
 

FFC Mariner

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100% agree Bladesman, NRL is slipping on potential sponsors radars as it is a local comp, poor role models etc etc but continues to believe it deserves top $$.
 

northernspirit

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its a reality check and they will be really worried about the expansion of the a-league and afl into their heartlands of west syd and qld... i noticed brad fittler today called on sydney teams to relocate to survive to Central Coast, Coffs Harbour and Sunshine Coast...

i dont want them here
 

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