New stadium for Mariners?

[dibo]

Whaddaya hear? Whaddaya know?

[quote author=Balmain Boy on SFCU]Not sure if this has been mentioned in the past or not, but I was speaking to one fo the Mariners fans after the game last night and he said that the club was in the process of planningn and building a new 35 000 seat stadium at Tuggerah.

They have apparently bought the Tuggerah RSL Club which had several acres of space behind it and with the money from Turnbull and Singo they are looking at getting this stadium up and running on the land adject to the property over the next few years so they can host future Grand Finals at home. The fan said his dad worked for the local government up the there and had been in regular contact with all the moneymen up at the Mariners who were behind these plans.

Seems quite possible to me. Not sure if Tuggerah is the best spot though. Stadium wouldn't be too far from the Tuggerah station and would have shuttle buses going to the stadium for those not wanting to walk.

Would this be the end of cheap Bluetongue up the coast!??[/quote]

If we only get 10k for season opening derbies, there's probably no need, and playing like we did it'll be a while before we have to worry about where we're hosting a grand final, but nevertheless...

Anyone heard anything?

 

[Auburn Mariner]

2 years ago, I would have scoffed at this. But now? Not so sure.

Footy stadiums are extraordinarily expensive to build. Using Skilled Park at Robina as a measuring stick, the capital outlay here would surely be in projected in the $160-200 MILLION range. Singo & Mr Turnbull are very wealthy, but to bankroll this, they would need Morris and Kevin's significant support.

And this is why this MAY have some legitimacy; with a State Government headed for political oblivion in March 2011, and Central Coast electorates far from safe at both Macquarie St & Capital Hill, Labor would be well-advised to fork out for a stadium of this size. Guaranteed vote-winner.

Let's face it, after the Belinda & Della brain snap at Iggies, Labor need all the votes they can get on the Coast. And, question without notice, is Tuggerah RSL in Greg Combet's Federal electorate of Charlton?

Is anyone able to Google Map reference the location in question?

You would imagine that CCLC would not be happy, but Mingara will be.

 

[Bladesman]

Who actually owns Bluetounge?  I suspect the value of the land there is far more than that at Tuggerah so selling up and moving may not be as daft as it sounds.  With property developers like Peter Turnbull and Kevin McCabe involved (the history of Sheffield united is littered with weird and wonderful deals done by our chairmen, a number of whom ended up in jail) anything is possible.

 

[Atomic]

Throw into the mix another possible stadium for our World Cup bid then this rumour is starting to excite us "conspiracy theory" types.

 

[Arabmariner]

What would be exciting is the possibility of actually getting a purpose built FOOTBALL stadium with proper overhead cover and good accoustics.And the crowd close to the pitch behind the goals aswell.

Then if they were going to lend it out to RL or union these codes could make do with a shorter in-goal area just like they do in the UK.

I wonder if they could actually do all this without f**king it up??

 

[Auburn Mariner]

Skilled Park at Robina looks great, Fish has been there and confirms this. It is built for the Rugby codes and Football, has a lot of cover and a terrific surface (the builders obviously learnt from their mistakes with Lang Park, which STILL has problems).

It's not that hard to build a good football ground, it's actually harder to get the surface in tip-top shape. From what I understand, A-League players say that Hindmarsh & the Caketin have the two best surfaces of current clubs. Dairy Farmers & Skilled will be included in the list when they go active in V5.

All of this leads to one point; so Bluetongue is no longer adequate? If true, that is remarkable.

 

[Atomic]

All of this leads to one point; so Bluetongue is no longer adequate? If true, that is remarkable.

I think Bladesman raises some food-for-thought when he talked about land value, property development and the names of the poeple involved.

 

[swarey]

I heard from friends that used to play tennis there that the Mariners have bought the club.  (Haven't heard anything on them building a new stadium, but that may explain why they bought it!)

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

one of the great things about our stadium is that it's a 5min walk from a major stadium and bus terminal, and sits opposite a club - and one which has shown great support to make it our club. It would be a tremendous pity to lose that..i can't see how a 2nd stadium would be financially viable. There simply isn't enough high level sport on the coast to warrant a 2nd stadium..unless they're going to demolish bluetongue - but has that stadium actually made a profit yet? I call BS on the whole thing. Still, could be kind of cool if the mariners had their own purpose built stadium...would there be any possibility of a 2nd field with grandstand at that location for our youth team, so they don't have to play at pluim?

 

[Arabmariner]

one of the great things about our stadium is that it's a 5min walk from a major stadium and bus terminal, and sits opposite a club - and one which has shown great support to make it our club. It would be a tremendous pity to lose that..i can't see how a 2nd stadium would be financially viable. There simply isn't enough high level sport on the coast to warrant a 2nd stadium..unless they're going to demolish bluetongue - but has that stadium actually made a profit yet? I call BS on the whole thing. Still, could be kind of cool if the mariners had their own purpose built stadium...would there be any possibility of a 2nd field with grandstand at that location for our youth team, so they don't have to play at pluim?

Since the new rules regarding all seated stadiums in the UK came in there are plenty of old inner city stadiums in the UK which have been sold to property developers and the money used to partly fund a new stadium.And we're not just talking your big clubs here.It's happened at numerous lower division clubs aswell.Half of these old stadiums are now apartments or supermarkets now.

I don't know what the land value at Bluetongue would be but shops,cafes etc on the ground level and apartments with water views above..........it sounds feasable to me.All it needs is someone with money,vision and a passion for our game.

Wasn't there also an article in the paper within the last year or so talking about the Mariners buying land for the academy in the future?

 

[bikinigirl]

. when does singo's management rights expire for bt? his involvement would be a bit of a surprise

. wasn't there talk of a dedicated academy type setup in that vicinity (tuggerah) a while back. with the right development people (turnball & mccabe) involved it could just be a future vision - it may not happen for a long time but they wouldn't want to be missing a good opportunity now

. viability will depend on what else is part of the plan - an existing club could get around licensing conerns for something bigger but that sort of thing probably wouldn't be popular with mingy or the leagues club (nor sustainable considering proximity to the established mingy?). it will definitely need something to make it generate cash on a day-to-day basis

. and if the plans are ready to go for any world cup bid it might just win support from the pollies so they will need to be ready if the stars are to align

 

[bikinigirl]

. arabmariner you posted as i did (academy thing)

. in terms of the redevelopment of bt i think there are a more than a few problems:
.. mariners have no ownership there, so no benefit
.. planning in gosford (cbd) is a major issue - too many grand plans have been hit on the head for one reason or another
.. anything put in its place must be a big earner and from what i have seen more apartments and more retail in gosford will not be successful

 

[Blair]

Before we get a new Stadium we need to fill the old one.
But a Academy would be a good thing and being at Tugg i would rather be at blue tongue.
The stadium we got now is a good studium.

 

[Auburn Mariner]

Am I right in assuming it is actually Wyong Station that would be Railway Station de Mariner should "Estadio Marinero" ever be constructed? Google Maps indicates a serious walk from Tuggerah Station.

 

[marinermick]

Before we get a new Stadium we need to fill the old one.

such an untrue statement

if that stadium means we get to host a world cup game(s) and we have much better facilities then filling it should not be an issue

i did an audit of a central coast mariners match for my event management degree and i can tell it has some major limitations in many areas - ticketing booths are limited, crowd flow design is poor, storage is limited, merchandising areas are limited, press facilities are poor, vip parking is non-existant, player facilities are outdated and even the corporate hospitality suites are limited

 

[marinermick]

Am I right in assuming it is actually Wyong Station that would be Railway Station de Mariner should "Estadio Marinero" ever be constructed? Google Maps indicates a serious walk from Tuggerah Station.

less than 5 minutes walk from tuggerah station

google maps "club tuggerah" or 1 bryant street, tuggerah

 

[offtheball]

Am I right in assuming it is actually Wyong Station that would be Railway Station de Mariner should "Estadio Marinero" ever be constructed? Google Maps indicates a serious walk from Tuggerah Station.

Tuggerah Station is 500m from Club Tuggerah.


Talk at Tuggerah lst year was that the Club Tuggerah site had been purchased by a developer and would be "developed." In return for this a sporting facility with two artificial surfaces would be constructed in the Tuggerah business park vicinity.

No mention at that stage of a stadium or Mariner involvement

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Maybe the rumour came out of that?  Considering you'd need a fully enclosed facility for an artificial surface - and you'd probably get a (small) grandstand to boot. 

 

[dibo]

2 years ago, I would have scoffed at this. But now? Not so sure.

Footy stadiums are extraordinarily expensive to build. Using Skilled Park at Robina as a measuring stick, the capital outlay here would surely be in projected in the $160-200 MILLION range. Singo & Mr Turnbull are very wealthy, but to bankroll this, they would need Morris and Kevin's significant support.

And this is why this MAY have some legitimacy; with a State Government headed for political oblivion in March 2011, and Central Coast electorates far from safe at both Macquarie St & Capital Hill, Labor would be well-advised to fork out for a stadium of this size. Guaranteed vote-winner.

Let's face it, after the Belinda & Della brain snap at Iggies, Labor need all the votes they can get on the Coast.

they're in deeper shit than a stadium can solve.

And, question without notice, is Tuggerah RSL in Greg Combet's Federal electorate of Charlton?

nope. it's in craig thomson's electorate of dobell.

Is anyone able to Google Map reference the location in question?

here we go

You would imagine that CCLC would not be happy, but Mingara will be.

neither will be - club tuggerah on the other hand...

Throw into the mix another possible stadium for our World Cup bid then this rumour is starting to excite us "conspiracy theory" types.

What would be exciting is the possibility of actually getting a purpose built FOOTBALL stadium with proper overhead cover and good accoustics.And the crowd close to the pitch behind the goals aswell.

Then if they were going to lend it out to RL or union these codes could make do with a shorter in-goal area just like they do in the UK.

I wonder if they could actually do all this without f**king it up??

i'll take these two together - building from the ground up for the purposes of the world cup, there are some rules that we'd have to adhere to. one is that minimum ground dimensions should be 125m x 85m.

for rugby league the international standard length is 100 + 8m in-goal + 5m run-off, or 126m.

for rugby union the international minimum standard is 100 + 10m in-goal + 5m run-off, or 130m. for the sake of being 2.5m further away from the goal line, i think they'd add the 5m total length and make it suitable for international rugby.

on the 'need to fill BT before we get a new one' thing, i'm inclined to agree on the face of it - while week to week we may well operate better in a bigger and better ground, once we take into account the amount of debt that would have to be carried to finance it, the required crowd numbers and other economic indicators need to get stronger.

a better stadium, with better cover and more shelter from the wind may well have brought in a better crowd last night, but at the same time to make it worthwhile you'd really want more game days - an NRL team would be almost essential just to keep paying the bills.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I suspect that a development project that includes the academy is more likely.

Maybe the development of an alternative to Pluim for the yoof team and perhaps our own NSWPL side if the Lightning wont play ball and allow CCM to run them.

Imagine CCM in the HAL with a 2nd side in the NSWPL in the winter