Mulvey's gotta...go?

[joe bailey]

He was hired as an asst to the first team.

yep say no more! and now he's coaching nyl. As I said go watch a training session or the game this weekend against Sydney and make up your own minds!

 

[joe bailey]

If @joe bailey is right and Cahn and Will V were on much less than that (which they were), then yes we’re overpaying. Cahn and Will did wonders with the academy lads and were very harshly shafted - I’d love to have them back. Cahn is now killing it with Olympic in Brisbane and everyone I’ve spoken to rates Will suuuuuper highly, whereas junna was hired as an assistant coach to the first team and has now been demoted to solely NYL coach (apparently) - and isn’t doing all that well.

Exactly correct. Bloody disgrace dumping those two young coaches. I can tell you morale is very low amongst the nyl boys also with rumours a handful are pulling the pin on ccm. Will is head coach now at Barcelona Escola in Sydney sadly I don't think he'd come back now!

 

[joe bailey]

Anyway - if mulvey is to go - whoever comes in needs to bring in a sports psychologist to try and shake this bullshit losing culture we have, and a new goalkeeper coach, because Nash teaching our ‘keepers to just parry into danger is f**king shite. Tbh this should happen anyway; our supposed Director of Sports should’ve seen this when he came in - but where the f**k is he now?

that was purely a free holiday to oz! So are we still paying Phelan also?

 

[ballantyne]

To those who argue that sacking the manager scares off good candidates, I ask firstly, how many consecutive losses before that argument loses sway? We're up to 8 now, probably 9 by the weekend. So 10? 20?
Secondly, what happened with the good candidates who applied the last 3 times?
That said, more must change than just the manager. My hometown team Oldham Athletic ably demonstrate the limited value of changing managers, having had 3 successful ones since 1895 and 11 since relegation from the EPL in 1994. In fact currently they are mid-table in Div 4 with position vacant!
So I voted Sack but first I want to see what happens in the window, cos you just never know, and he's got a lot to deal with.
Potentially, then, 14 consecutive losses before he goes, poor bloke.

 

[joe bailey]

To those who argue that sacking the manager scares off good candidates, I ask firstly, how many consecutive losses before that argument loses sway? We're up to 8 now, probably 9 by the weekend. So 10? 20?
Secondly, what happened with the good candidates who applied the last 3 times?
That said, more must change than just the manager. My hometown team Oldham Athletic ably demonstrate the limited value of changing managers, having had 3 successful ones since 1895 and 11 since relegation from the EPL in 1994. In fact currently they are mid-table in Div 4 with position vacant!
So I voted Sack but first I want to see what happens in the window, cos you just never know, and he's got a lot to deal with.
Potentially, then, 14 consecutive losses before he goes, poor bloke.

well going by Mariner' facebook page the fans have had a gutful!

https://www.ccmariners.com.au/histo...nQBGrgrvl_VxDAu9jLtvy6LijkMQvE-ZPrnBiuQ80MXm8

 

[ballantyne]

well going by Mariner' facebook page the fans have had a gutful!

https://www.ccmariners.com.au/histo...nQBGrgrvl_VxDAu9jLtvy6LijkMQvE-ZPrnBiuQ80MXm8

The fans HAVE had a gutful, but that is not of itself a reason to sack the manager.

 

[joe bailey]

The fans HAVE had a gutful, but that is not of itself a reason to sack the manager.

you can't be serious? Fans or not Mulvey is a hopeless coach and proof is right in front of your eyes! unbelievable. Why shouldn't he be sacked? Give me one good reason?

 

[FFC Mariner]

well going by Mariner' facebook page the fans have had a gutful!

https://www.ccmariners.com.au/histo...nQBGrgrvl_VxDAu9jLtvy6LijkMQvE-ZPrnBiuQ80MXm8

What precisely is the poorly paid staffer sitting in Mariners HQ supposed to do with the comments? They are fans too, they watch the games and they hurt like we do but the staff themselves can do nothing. This clubs position is a complete failure of management (failure always is)
You cant really expect whoever has to sift through this shit to reply "yeah, we suck hey?" or "let us tell you what REALLY happens here"
The problem the club have with their social media only strategy is people expect it to be 2 way. Think how quickly your Bank or Telco will respond if you tag them correctly? They have a lot of staff tasked to monitor social media. CCM dont.
What people want is to hear from senior management.
Charlesworth spouting bollocks to SBS that no one listens to is not good enough
Remember, no one has actually apologised for the 8-2 yet!

 

[Antlion]

Charlesworth is a businessman.

His product is awful and no one wants to buy it anymore. Something needs to be done - unless this is actually the plan... destroy the metrics to get FFA permission to sell to another bid.
I think this is a long bow but the evidence doesn't argue against the idea yet

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Mulvey's biggest failing has been to waste his first year. Most of that has come down to signings.

Year 1 is for building foundations and especially building a spine.

For the spine.
Goalkeeper.
He was caught by having Kennedy take his contract option and extend another year. He could have kept him as a backup or told him his services were not needed (like Wout, Tommy and Barro). Maybe he did and Kennedy stayed. Whatever a #1 keeper was imperative.

Central defender.
He pissed off Barro, a solid centre half without being brilliant, but one you could build around. He then brings in a superannuated EPL has been who was winding up his career in SE Asia and about to retire. A massive step backwards.

DM
We had potentially the best DM pairing in the A_League signed for another year and he tells them they are not needed. He signs an up and commercial on loan, no problem with that, but he is a loan for 1 year, before moving on. If there is a chance we could hang on to O'Neil I would not mind, but if so I would pair him with someone he could learn from rather than Melling, who at best is a bench player.

#10
No specialist signed. Mulvey tried to tell everyone that an out of condition, problem child, poacher would be a good #10. He also told us an injured winger, Oar could be a #10, or there was a possibility that McGlinchey who was let go by the Nux could fill the role.

Striker
To sign Matty as your striker was a plan of hope rather than expectation. Matty days as a striker were past when he was reported to be willing to sign for minimum wage three years ago. Arnie showed how tp make best use of him and in a similar role he could have been very useful here.
McCormack came about as a piece of good? luck in timing with a decision being made on an independent A-League, MC opening the purse ( a bit) and Ross not being able to fit into City's cap. Unfortunately it did not work out and was always a big risk.
The type of striker we need is identical to O'Donovan.

Culture
His big selling point was to rebuild a culture of never say die, and having a team the fans could be proud of even when they lost. He has the team losing, but there is no team to be proud of, a couple of players maybe, but that is all.
Simon was possibly a good signing in building culture, good to have around the players, a good CLUB (not team captain)and very useful coming on both last 20 mins when defending a lead or to lie tired players. But FFS you build a culture around a team that has confidence in their team mates and giving them something to fight for more than words. Signing a player who was no longer wanted by a club he sued us to go to does not build culture.

MM sounded good, said all the right words but showed he is seriously out of touch in both signings and recruitment and I suspect is not very good in man management. The Club was taken in with the possibilities but he has failed, maybe a fault in due diligence (he has never stayed anywhere for long which should have rung bells and been well looked into). However they f***** up and must address the problem sooner than later.

We must get a new manager now, not a fill-in until next year. A manager who can start building a foundation for next year rather than trying to do it in the off season. Players coming to the end of their contracts this season can be approached now.

The time to act is now.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Charlesworth is a businessman.

His product is awful and no one wants to buy it anymore. Something needs to be done - unless this is actually the plan... destroy the metrics to get FFA permission to sell to another bid.
I think this is a long bow but the evidence doesn't argue against the idea yet

Trying to put myself in MC's shoes, this thought has crossed my mind often. The money some franchises are offering for a licence would make this an attractive proposition and an easy out foe MC to recover his investment plus interest.
However the FFA would not allow it in the past because they want the $$$$ that new franchises pay and they do not want to see them going into an existing owner's pocket.

I thought with the independence of the A_League this may be a possibility but I cannot see any A-League board permitting it for similar reasons. It would be $$$$$ lost from the existing pool.

The only possibilities that I can see left are:
1) that MC is somewhat delusional or out of touch and been relying on yes men to tell him the Club can be run cheaply.
2) that he has been waiting for independence and will the run a successful operation and has just been keeping us on life support until this time of milk and honey.
3) that he is just spending the minimum until he can find a buyer for the lot for the price he wants.

I suspect it is #3, hope it is #2, but fear it could be #1.

I do not see any other possibilities that make sense.

I think we will find out in the next 12 months.

 

[bikinigirl]

Trying to put myself in MC's shoes, this thought has crossed my mind often. The money some franchises are offering for a licence would make this an attractive proposition and an easy out foe MC to recover his investment plus interest.
However the FFA would not allow it in the past because they want the $$$$ that new franchises pay and they do not want to see them going into an existing owner's pocket.

I thought with the independence of the A_League this may be a possibility but I cannot see any A-League board permitting it for similar reasons. It would be $$$$$ lost from the existing pool.

The only possibilities that I can see left are:
1) that MC is somewhat delusional or out of touch and been relying on yes men to tell him the Club can be run cheaply.
2) that he has been waiting for independence and will the run a successful operation and has just been keeping us on life support until this time of milk and honey.
3) that he is just spending the minimum until he can find a buyer for the lot for the price he wants.

I suspect it is #3, hope it is #2, but fear it could be #1.

I do not see any other possibilities that make sense.

I think we will find out in the next 12 months.

. i have long suspected it is actually all three (and a couple of others too)

. he is an opportunist (refer to his take-over) ... he is just waiting for an opportunity to present itself

 

[NoDiggity]

Charlesworth is a businessman.

His product is awful and no one wants to buy it anymore. Something needs to be done - unless this is actually the plan... destroy the metrics to get FFA permission to sell to another bid.
I think this is a long bow but the evidence doesn't argue against the idea yet

I’ll put on my tin foil hat for this theory. A post was made a couple of weeks ago on twitter by the official Canberra A-League Bid. It reads as follows:

“
AMAZING NEWS!

Yesterday we met with the @FFA to discuss the future of the bid.

A consensus was reached on the activities required for the bid to be included in the @ALeague from the 2020/21 season.

We are confident the requirements the will be met!”

Basically saying they have a foot in the door but not revealing what is required of them by the FFA. With Charlesworth in Australia for 7 weeks (the longest since be bought the club?), what are the chances the licence is being sold to Canberra.

 

[Blackadder]

Trying to put myself in MC's shoes, this thought has crossed my mind often. The money some franchises are offering for a licence would make this an attractive proposition and an easy out foe MC to recover his investment plus interest.
However the FFA would not allow it in the past because they want the $$$$ that new franchises pay and they do not want to see them going into an existing owner's pocket.

I thought with the independence of the A_League this may be a possibility but I cannot see any A-League board permitting it for similar reasons. It would be $$$$$ lost from the existing pool.

The only possibilities that I can see left are:
1) that MC is somewhat delusional or out of touch and been relying on yes men to tell him the Club can be run cheaply.
2) that he has been waiting for independence and will the run a successful operation and has just been keeping us on life support until this time of milk and honey.
3) that he is just spending the minimum until he can find a buyer for the lot for the price he wants.

I suspect it is #3, hope it is #2, but fear it could be #1.

I do not see any other possibilities that make sense.

I think we will find out in the next 12 months.

Who in their right mind would want to buy the club, it is a basket case.

 

[Cricko_086]

Prob not buying the club but simply the license?

So with the mulvey out bandwagon. He is on a multi year deal yeah? If we say "you done" now do we once again end up with a moss type of scenario when we are paying him for the remainder of the contract?

I think we are along way from being on the up hill climb unfortunately.

 

[Tevor]

I’ll put on my tin foil hat for this theory. A post was made a couple of weeks ago on twitter by the official Canberra A-League Bid. It reads as follows:

“
AMAZING NEWS!

Yesterday we met with the @FFA to discuss the future of the bid.

A consensus was reached on the activities required for the bid to be included in the @ALeague from the 2020/21 season.

We are confident the requirements the will be met!”

Basically saying they have a foot in the door but not revealing what is required of them by the FFA. With Charlesworth in Australia for 7 weeks (the longest since be bought the club?), what are the chances the licence is being sold to Canberra.

I honestly think the independent HAL will close up the Nix and Canberra will get the green light. Does not matter what the Nix achieve in the next two seasons they are not Australian and can not participate in the ACL should they make it. They cost a lot of money with travel etc. and do very little to improve Australian football or produce TV funds. When they were given the 4 year extension the writing was on the wall, it would be their last 4 years and expansion would couple with them leaving the HAL. I don't see the new HAL closing up the Mariners, maybe it will be good in that they will give MC a kick up the pants and make him start funding the club properly again. It will be an interesting few years with the independence of the HAL.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Maybe Charlesworth is here for 7 weeks because winters in UK are horrible.

He has said nothing, hasnt engaged with the fans at all. Bloke holds fans in contempt sadly

 

[MagpieMariner]

Also I think without a turn around or major improvement the club will bleed even more members and crowd figures if he’s left in place for another season. How do you possibly sell returning for next year when we retain our negative record breaking manager?

You don't. You can't. I for one will not be renewing my (platinum) membership next year unless there is a dramatic change between now and next season start. I'm not naive enough to expect to start next season and go straight to the top, but I must see evidence of an upward trajectory. If not, forget it. I have better things to do with my pension.

 

[ballantyne]

you can't be serious? Fans or not Mulvey is a hopeless coach and proof is right in front of your eyes! unbelievable. Why shouldn't he be sacked? Give me one good reason?

Sir, despite your passionate tone, you are agreeing with me. The fact that the fans have had a gutful is not of itself a reason to sack.
Really the best reason to sack is to get a better manager, a task which looks easier by the game.

 

[joe bailey]

What precisely is the poorly paid staffer sitting in Mariners HQ supposed to do with the comments? They are fans too, they watch the games and they hurt like we do but the staff themselves can do nothing. This clubs position is a complete failure of management (failure always is)
You cant really expect whoever has to sift through this shit to reply "yeah, we suck hey?" or "let us tell you what REALLY happens here"
The problem the club have with their social media only strategy is people expect it to be 2 way. Think how quickly your Bank or Telco will respond if you tag them correctly? They have a lot of staff tasked to monitor social media. CCM dont.
What people want is to hear from senior management.
Charlesworth spouting bollocks to SBS that no one listens to is not good enough
Remember, no one has actually apologised for the 8-2 yet!

WHAT?