Mariners Squad - HAL 14 - 2018- 2019 - The challenge for Mike Mulvey is over

[Michael]

I’ve said many times how fond I was of Brama. He may not have been completely into it at times, but imo we were lucky to get a player of his experience and technical quality.

Wouldn’t say O’Neil is a better player just yet as they are completley different types of CM’s. In saying that, O’Neil will be huge for us this year.

 

[scottmac]

Brama was a missed opportunity. Did not suit the football style of Okon and that's more the professionalism than anything. In a more professional set up he would have killed it. Much more talented than 90% of the cm's to have played in this league.

 

[bikinigirl]

Uneven and sinking ground is not a turf problem so seems a bit weird.

. a bit weird and / or a short term 'fix'

. that was the old Charlesworth way of thinking

 

[scottmac]

. a bit weird and / or a short term 'fix'

. that was the old Charlesworth way of thinking

It's not even a short term fix. The sub soil needs to be removed then a firm compact drainage material put in and even that might not solve it. Quick fix seems more to me like a waste of money

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Brama was a missed opportunity. Did not suit the football style of Okon and that's more the professionalism than anything. In a more professional set up he would have killed it. Much more talented than 90% of the cm's to have played in this league.

True, made some savage tackles though, bit of a loose cannon. Anybody capable of some of his challenges can be a bit of a liability on the field.

 

[Deej]

Uneven and sinking ground is not a turf problem so seems a bit weird.

The problem is the location

 

[BrisRecky]

The rellies in Holland raved about Brama and we’re iffy about Tom....so I guess it comes down to some players just not fitting in at certain places...Mulvey obviously couldn’t see Wout in his plans so...GAWNSKI

 

[scottmac]

The problem is the location

It could be fixed though. I used to visit that site every week in the early 90's when it was a driving range. It needs a proper prep just like what would have been done under the carpark and soccer five

 

[UnitedsNo9]

The rellies in Holland raved about Brama and we’re iffy about Tom....so I guess it comes down to some players just not fitting in at certain places...Mulvey obviously couldn’t see Wout in his plans so...GAWNSKI

Same here. My family in Groningen (where Tom played) said Brama is awesome and they wish they had him, also that we should make him captain as he is a great leader. They also said Tom usually starts the season well and fades away mud campaign and loses his spot in the 11. They were quite surprised as to how they both ended up for us.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Wout worked hard in a lot games but was stretched too thin and frustrated by the poor decision making of lack lustre or younger players as well as Okon ball.

Thoroughly agree with SM, quality player who never found his stride with us.

 

[Wombat]

O'Neill looks to be a better player.

Scottmac...you haven't even seen him play ffs??

I love your bromance with the weaker Dutchy but im a pretty good judge of a player.

O'Neill is quality from what i saw in 1 match (but 1 game is nothing) Brama was quality but limited skillset. O'Neill has the same level of touch and skill but with a whole lot more attacking capabilities.

I will let you judge after 4 or 5 games but i was very impressed.......much more than when i saw Brama.

 

[Wombat]

Thouroug with SM, quality player who never found his stride with us.

Translation FP?

 

[Wombat]

Same here. My family in Groningen (where Tom played) said Brama is awesome and they wish they had him, also that we should make him captain as he is a great leader. They also said Tom usually starts the season well and fades away mud campaign and loses his spot in the 11. They were quite surprised as to how they both ended up for us.

Neither were leaders!
Tommy is a far more skilled techinical player.
Brama a tough, simple, ball winning DM with a 10 yard passing range.
One was considered our best player in a shit team (Tom).
The other was thought of as an underachiever and a "loose cannon".

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Translation FP?

Sorry mate.
Fixed

 

[bikinigirl]

It's not even a short term fix. The sub soil needs to be removed then a firm compact drainage material put in and even that might not solve it. Quick fix seems more to me like a waste of money

. yep ... the old-style Charlesworth false economy

 

[bikinigirl]

Wout worked hard in a lot games but was stretched too thin and frustrated by the poor decision making of lack lustre or younger players as well as Okon ball.

. i think Brama got through more of the Monty-type work than people realise
. but he didn't have the Monty-type leadership some expected
. probably because he was used to having more talent around him

. apparently he was surprised 'we' signed him and Tom
. yes they were different but similar enough considering how desperately we needed talent elsewhere on the park

. i have also heard that he was an instigator for the club's 'discussions' with Okon
. tactical frustrations were added to everything else including biased refereeing

. so i don't think he was here for a footballing holiday but i don't think he was able to carry the burden expected off him ... and this is what has led to peoples' disappointment
. was that due to his own lack of professionalism? i'd suggest it was more to do with the professionalism of those around him (players, coaches and officials)
. was he a loose cannon? i think his frustrations eventually got the better of him ... admittedly that is merely an excuse, but i think things could have been very different if, for example, he had have joined us this year

 

[Big Al]

Brama was a bust. The game was to fast and open for him

 

[Antlion]

. i think Brama got through more of the Monty-type work than people realise
. but he didn't have the Monty-type leadership some expected
. probably because he was used to having more talent around him

. apparently he was surprised 'we' signed him and Tom
. yes they were different but similar enough considering how desperately we needed talent elsewhere on the park

. i have also heard that he was an instigator for the club's 'discussions' with Okon
. tactical frustrations were added to everything else including biased refereeing

. so i don't think he was here for a footballing holiday but i don't think he was able to carry the burden expected off him ... and this is what has led to peoples' disappointment
. was that due to his own lack of professionalism? i'd suggest it was more to do with the professionalism of those around him (players, coaches and officials)
. was he a loose cannon? i think his frustrations eventually got the better of him ... admittedly that is merely an excuse, but i think things could have been very different if, for example, he had have joined us this year

I was going to write something very similar - well said BG.

Essentially we had a quality player surrounded by turkeys and a frustratingly amateur game plan. In the end he busted his ar.se to achieve nothing and barely provide a sandbag against the floodwaters. He was as frustrated as could be in a juvenile setting under a pathetic coach.
In this context I think it is very hard to judge his ability.

In this current squad and manager we would have seen what he could do.

 

[shipwreck]

Does anyone think Okon will ever coach again?

 

[MagpieMariner]

I hope not, unless he learns to have more plans than A.