Mariners Squad - 2019-2020

[Ironbark]

I count a squad number of 21 with this signing.

You would almost think that is it unless there is one more big signing.

let's hope

 

[Rowdy]

#PrayForRowdy

- yeah .. after we watched him up at Weston, I'm still a bit ...


Maybe it was just him having a poor game/nerves of trialing etc & now comes good with being given a contract
....... hopefully

Edit: just read Pink, who posted whilst I was typing, interesting observations of Stens' previous stint with CCM.
- I'm still Judge Judy'ing this one

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Seems like we have some good development signings, but enough experience in the back half to hold the team up without relying entirely on the players we can develop.
And I imagine that in part protects us against losing players - if we lose some of the more experienced players next year but we've got our squaddies up to speed, then that should mitigate those losses.

Welcome aboard to all the new players.

Of course, we're all a bit concerned about the other end of the pitch, but it's still a 'rebuilding' (I know, I know....) year.....priorities have to be made somewhere

 

[turbo]

Of course, we're all a bit concerned about the other end of the pitch, but it's still a 'rebuilding' (I know, I know....) year.....priorities have to be made somewhere

It doesn't help that we have a visa spot and a significant amount of funds tied up in two older players who didnt match their wage last season. We're clear of a number of recruiting mistakes but there's still a couple kicking around. Would be nice to be proven wrong about them this season but I can't help thinking neither will have their contracts renewed.

 

[TysonP]

I wonder how Michael Glassock and Lewis Miller feel right now.

 

[Ironbark]

I have stated before I have hope we'll see better performances out of Weemac and Simon with better fitness and a firing team around them.

But in truth whilst I'm expecting better from them I'm not expecting them to earn their (assumed) large coin

 

[marinermick]

I wonder how Michael Glassock and Lewis Miller feel right now.

Miller is listed as a senior squad member and has had plenty of opportunities.

The freezing out of Glassock is a different story though I did not see him day-to-day in senior training to evaluate whether this freezing out was justified.

 

[Michael]

Bit of a contradiction there Michael. We had clauses in place last time Gianni was with the club but he walked out halfway through his youth contract giving the reason that he wanted to concentrate on his uni studies. He then signed for Manly about a week later. He walked out on them to move to NZ when he realised he was eligible for NZ national team and signed in Phoenix Academy. He was offered a contract with the Nix this year but turned it down to trial overseas but when he was unsuccessful there the Nix withdrew their offer and he came back to us. Lack of loyalty isn't a problem for Stajic obviously as he has also signed Majok (who quit the Mariners NYL team one week before the start of the season because we wouldn't pay him as much as he could get in the NPL) and Silvera, who quit WSW halfway through the season because he was sulking about being dropped to the U20s due to attitude problems.
Easy to understand why Michael Glassock headed off to Hong Kong and a huge kick in the teeth to long serving and talented Academy players who have been told there isn't enough money for any more scholarship positions and also that the local Coast boys don't have the same desire and work ethic as those from Sydney and elsewhere.

Not sure who or what I am contradicting pinklady? I’ve been one of the biggest advocates on this forum for our own academy boys ESPECIALLY the long serving lads and even more so the LOCAL boys to be given a much better go and promoted. I was gutted when glassock moved on. I’m a massive fan of Lewis Miller. Matt Hatch (local boy, no?) is an excellent prospect too, I’ve posted several times in the last couple weeks I hope he gets a senior deal for this season. Every single time we lose an academy prospect I’m heavily critical of the coaching staff usually at the condemnation of others.
I was extremely negative of the Majok signing too btw.
Perhaps I should’ve been more clear, I want contract clauses for the key players we’ve signed on 1 year contracts. Ziggy, Kim, Birra and Duric in particular. Something along the lines of 10-15 matches started triggers a year extension. What’s contradictory about that? The digs you’ve had are all youth contract related so perhaps there needs to be another overhaul of the youth contract structure so they’re more air tight and simply walking away from them isn’t possible.
The loyalty issues you’ve raised about Stensness is a matter of opinion really, it kind of shows a kid desperate to get his pro deal in the best circumstances for himself. Everyone knows loyalty is dead and gone from the aleague. No ones happy about it.
And Silvera has impressed literally everyone on this forum to this point, so his apparent attitude problems are no longer evident thus far.
So as I’ve said twice now, I’m happy to wait and see how Stensness develops this season and if I want him around longer.

 

[turbo]

Ziggy, Kim, Birra and Duric in particular.

I don't want to falsely attribute words to him but I thought I saw Shaun confirm Ziggy was a 1+1 kind of deal. Not sure about the others but I believe that's optimistic with Kim. Once his ban in Korea has passed his value will change as his playing options grow, hopefully he's quality, fit and wants to stay with us but I can't see him agreeing to a deal that goes beyond his ban.

Also on the Glassock thing I don't think anyone expected to be in a situation where we had 3 CBs ahead of him all unavailable and certainly not so soon. It was always going to be a big ask to any fresh CB minutes so the path he's on might be a better one for development. With hindsight he might have got a chance to make his mark but that's hindsight for you.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Loyalty is no longer a part of modern commercial football as far as I can tell.

In its absence we have to settle for a good attitude and a rock solid contract. I’m hoping this is the case with all our signings.

 

[Michael]

Loyalty is no longer a part of modern commercial football as far as I can tell.

In its absence we have to settle for a good attitude and a rock solid contract. I’m hoping this is the case with all our signings.

Don’t dare hit the nail on the head any harder mate, it’ll break.

 

[pinklady]

Not sure who or what I am contradicting pinklady? I’ve been one of the biggest advocates on this forum for our own academy boys ESPECIALLY the long serving lads and even more so the LOCAL boys to be given a much better go and promoted. I was gutted when glassock moved on. I’m a massive fan of Lewis Miller. Matt Hatch (local boy, no?) is an excellent prospect too, I’ve posted several times in the last couple weeks I hope he gets a senior deal for this season. Every single time we lose an academy prospect I’m heavily critical of the coaching staff usually at the condemnation of others.
I was extremely negative of the Majok signing too btw.
Perhaps I should’ve been more clear, I want contract clauses for the key players we’ve signed on 1 year contracts. Ziggy, Kim, Birra and Duric in particular. Something along the lines of 10-15 matches started triggers a year extension. What’s contradictory about that? The digs you’ve had are all youth contract related so perhaps there needs to be another overhaul of the youth contract structure so they’re more air tight and simply walking away from them isn’t possible.
The loyalty issues you’ve raised about Stensness is a matter of opinion really, it kind of shows a kid desperate to get his pro deal in the best circumstances for himself. Everyone knows loyalty is dead and gone from the aleague. No ones happy about it.
And Silvera has impressed literally everyone on this forum to this point, so his apparent attitude problems are no longer evident thus far.
So as I’ve said twice now, I’m happy to wait and see how Stensness develops this season and if I want him around longer.

Wasn't saying you were contradicting anything Michael just worded it badly. I was referring as you rightly pointed out to mainly youth contracts which need a overhaul. You have been a huge supporter if all the academy boys. As for Stensness loyalty being a matter of opinion, thats fair enough but when it has happened at FIVE clubs (two before he came to the Academy) it's got to raise questions of character if nothing else. For him to get a contract ahead of Josh Nisbet who is on a scholarship and Lewis Miller who is on a NYL contract just sends the wrong message.

 

[TysonP]

Perhaps I should’ve been more clear, I want contract clauses for the key players we’ve signed on 1 year contracts. Ziggy, Kim, Birra and Duric in particular. Something along the lines of 10-15 matches started triggers a year extension. .

I don't think you can do that - only the other way around (i.e. club offers a 1 year deal but player wants 2 years so the club put a clause that gives him the 2nd year once he reaches a certain goal, such as a number of games). This came up at a pre-match function with Shaun when people had heard about Aspro leaving.

 

[Corsair]

Miller is listed as a senior squad member and has had plenty of opportunities.

What does that mean? Is he eligible to play if called up into the squad? Apologies I'm not sure of the rules and I think he's quality, would like to see him get a chance. Assume he needs a contract though to play in the first team, is that right?

 

[NoDiggity]

What does that mean? Is he eligible to play if called up into the squad? Apologies I'm not sure of the rules and I think he's quality, would like to see him get a chance. Assume he needs a contract though to play in the first team, is that right?

Don’t think you need a pro contract to play in the first team, clubs do it all the time. We called up Nisbet last season without a pro contract, and year before Smiley played a game with no contract

 

[Insertnamehere]

Don’t think you need a pro contract to play in the first team, clubs do it all the time. We called up Nisbet last season without a pro contract, and year before Smiley played a game with no contract

Correct you don’t need a contract. Any player at the club in the youth or on a scholarship could player 1st team.

 

[pjennings]

I don't think you can do that - only the other way around (i.e. club offers a 1 year deal but player wants 2 years so the club put a clause that gives him the 2nd year once he reaches a certain goal, such as a number of games). This came up at a pre-match function with Shaun when people had heard about Aspro leaving.

Case in point is Ziggy. We have him for a year but he has an option for another year, Listed in Transfermarket as two years but essentially a 1 + 1 deal.

 

[FFC Mariner]

One of the reasons I have never got a players name on the back of my shirt is that the one thing that doesn't exist in football is loyalty. The player will shaft his club for a better deal and the club will f**k over a player when it suits them.
Football is the most brutal form of capitalism there is.
Fans have loyalty, no one else does

 

[priorpeter]

One of the reasons I have never got a players name on the back of my shirt is that the one thing that doesn't exist in football is loyalty. The player will shaft his club for a better deal and the club will f**k over a player when it suits them.
Football is the most brutal form of capitalism there is.
Fans have loyalty, no one else does

But I’ve got a photo of us in our Mrdja and Trott jerseys! Understandable that those two players would be the exception to the rule though #Heroes

 

[priorpeter]

I don't think you can do that - only the other way around (i.e. club offers a 1 year deal but player wants 2 years so the club put a clause that gives him the 2nd year once he reaches a certain goal, such as a number of games). This came up at a pre-match function with Shaun when people had heard about Aspro leaving.

Club triggered contracts are definitely a thing, at least in Europe anyway. Not sure how/if it fits in with the A-League CBA though.