Mariner stuff not worthy of a whole thread

[rbakersmith]

Anton Tagliaferro is now co-chairman alongside Charlesworth:
https://www.ccmariners.com.au/news/anton-tagliaferro-appointed-mariners-co-chairman

I wonder if that means he's taken a stake in the club?

 

[Ancient Mariner]

I think at the off season fans meeting he was supposed to be acting as MC's representative in Australia. I suspect the title of co-chairman goes with him being given more authority in decision making.
I think any purchase of shares would have been announced.
Maybe there are some more board members in the offing and this appointment gives Anton more clout.
Who knows, however I was impressed by his enthusiasm and what looked like a good understanding of our situation.

 

[Michael]

So does Anton being co chairman mean he’ll be putting more money into the club/squad?

 

[priorpeter]

Ownership structure hasn’t changed, it’s just a board appointment.

 

[Pirate Pete]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer...tponed-due-to-smoke-haze-20191205-p53hct.html

The A-League and W-League are in the process of formalising an official air pollution policy with matches in both competitions at risk of postponement this weekend as bushfire haze continues to smother NSW.

I did ask about this in a thread the other week, but never got a reply from Shaun or the club.
Wise decision to call off games I think.

 

[true believer]

At work 2am you couldn't have played .
I nearly sent a bloke home he was coughing that hard .
Just as bad today .

 

[style_cafe]

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...rect=true&permanent_redirect_short_cache=true

Please dont let it be us, please dont let it be us,

Sadly for him, if this goes to Court, no professional club would ever consider him.
It was a trial,he could easily have left whenever he wanted to and there doesn`t appear to be any agreement to be paid for that period

 

[turbo]

Sadly for him, if this goes to Court, no professional club would ever consider him.
It was a trial,he could easily have left whenever he wanted to and there doesn`t appear to be any agreement to be paid for that period

It would make them wary of being stung. But at the same time 3-4 months doesn’t seem too reasonable and it isn’t the first time we’ve heard someone not even getting petrol money.

It’s a tricky situation because most people don’t trial for an extended period like that. The word here was he didn’t want the NYL contract but he’s saying it never eventuates. But at the same time if any of us wanted access to that level of professional coaching it would cost us a fortune so it’s not like he wasn’t getting something of value either.

It’s interesting the article mentioned the ACTU when players have their own union. They should be the ones setting limits and providing guidance in this area in conjunction with the clubs.

 

[Insertnamehere]

It would make them wary of being stung. But at the same time 3-4 months doesn’t seem too reasonable and it isn’t the first time we’ve heard someone not even getting petrol money.

It’s a tricky situation because most people don’t trial for an extended period like that. The word here was he didn’t want the NYL contract but he’s saying it never eventuates. But at the same time if any of us wanted access to that level of professional coaching it would cost us a fortune so it’s not like he wasn’t getting something of value either.

It’s interesting the article mentioned the ACTU when players have their own union. They should be the ones setting limits and providing guidance in this area in conjunction with the clubs.

It's very tricky indeed. It should prove interesting case law. Personally I'm against unpaid work ever. However trials for 2 weeks or less seem extremely common and accepted. After this I'd say you should be offered something or it's over. Sounds like there was some poor communication somewhere along the line. And I can imagine a 19/20yo not piping up for themselves which is where the agent/manager should have come in at the end of an agreed trial period to determine what the plan was.

 

[turbo]

It's very tricky indeed. It should prove interesting case law

I'd be worried of a one sized fits all law across industries as it's such a murky area. What works in fast food, specialised industries or sport can all differ greatly. I suspect thats we way we're headed though since it happens a lot these days.

For me the PFA needs to step up on this one, establish standards and perhaps provide some sort of advocacy/case management for junior or trialling players. For the bulk of them if they trial for 1-2 weeks it might just be checking everything ran as expected then for a few more where the club needs a longer look they advocate for an allowance, check if living arrangements have been made, set deadlines to review progress etc.

 

[Big Al]

I'd be worried of a one sized fits all law across industries as it's such a murky area. What works in fast food, specialised industries or sport can all differ greatly. I suspect thats we way we're headed though since it happens a lot these days.

For me the PFA needs to step up on this one, establish standards and perhaps provide some sort of advocacy/case management for junior or trialling players. For the bulk of them if they trial for 1-2 weeks it might just be checking everything ran as expected then for a few more where the club needs a longer look they advocate for an allowance, check if living arrangements have been made, set deadlines to review progress etc.

There should be an agreed period of time between both parties so these instances don’t occur and if you want to extend it it should have a new agreed timeframe.

As the trailist if you don’t get the offer you were expecting after trail period 1 you must be thinking i didn’t do enough and if the offerer keeps dangling the pie then be wise enough to say I’ll be at x. Call when you actually want me. Had to do is this position as you are seen as not keen enough but you have a value as well

 

[Pirate Pete]

There should be an agreed period of time between both parties so these instances don’t occur and if you want to extend it it should have a new agreed timeframe.

As the trailist if you don’t get the offer you were expecting after trail period 1 you must be thinking i didn’t do enough and if the offerer keeps dangling the pie then be wise enough to say I’ll be at x. Call when you actually want me. Had to do is this position as you are seen as not keen enough but you have a value as well

Far too sensible mate, we're talking the Mariners here.
It is interesting in that article that they talk of unpaid internships in general.
I thought it was the norm in the legal profession.

 

[FFC Mariner]

From FWA - you can see why he thinks he has a case

Unpaid trials (skill demonstration)
Sometimes a person is asked or required to perform work or undertake a trial to be evaluated for a vacant position. This skill demonstration is used for the purposes of determining a prospective employee's suitability for a job. It is often referred to as a work trial.

A brief work trial can be legally unpaid if it is necessary to evaluate someone's suitability for the job, and:

• it involves no more than a demonstration of the person's skills, where they are relevant to a vacant position
• it is only for as long as needed to demonstrate the skills required for the job. This will be dependent on the nature and complexity of the work, but could range from an hour to one shift
• the person is under direct supervision of the potential employer (or other appropriate individual) for the entire trial.

Any period beyond what is reasonably required to demonstrate the skills required for the job must be paid at the appropriate minimum rate of pay. If an employer wants to further assess a candidate's suitability, they could employ the person as a casual employee and/or for a probationary period and pay them accordingly for all hours worked.

 

[Ozhammer]

This could set a dangerous precedent. Has anyone seen any comment from the PFA?

 

[pjennings]

Sadly for him, if this goes to Court, no professional club would ever consider him.
It was a trial,he could easily have left whenever he wanted to and there doesn`t appear to be any agreement to be paid for that period

I'm against the exploitation of labour in all it's forms but think this case is a bit murky. From all accounts

1) his efforts were not that stellar
2) he was offered a NYL contract offer which he refused
3) he continued to train with the team

If this goes to court and if he indeed he continued training with the team after the NYL contract was offered then I would imagine he has no claim after that. At that time the club has made an offer that he hasn't accepted. Conversely, if he has continued to train the club could be due compensation for continuing to train him.

 

[style_cafe]

Not knowing all the details

I'm against the exploitation of labour in all it's forms but think this case is a bit murky. From all accounts

1) his efforts were not that stellar
2) he was offered a NYL contract offer which he refused
3) he continued to train with the team

If this goes to court and if he indeed he continued training with the team after the NYL contract was offered then I would imagine he has no claim after that. At that time the club has made an offer that he hasn't accepted. Conversely, if he has continued to train the club could be due compensation for continuing to train him.

Not knowing all the details,it seems a strange situation that may have benefited both club and player.
ie The player got to train for nothing and the club had the benefit of decent opposition against the first team in training sessions.
I fing it hard to believe that the player would be trialling for months though if he wasn`t good enough.
Also,what sort of a manager would let his player do something like that if there wasn`t a benefit for the player?
Surely if the player rejected the contract offered but continued to train,he wouldn`t be covered by insurance if he got an injury.
Personally I thought he showed some potential at Weston,he should have taken the NPL contract to put himself on the stage.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

The club does not benefit from having a player trial for 3 months.

And while you can argue three months is absurdly long to gauge a players ability. It’s not long to see if a player can potentially make a step up to senior level when you might suspect he is only NYL and also want to measure him against other youngsters too like we obviously would have been. He was very average when I saw him play.

Anyway, cant know, so it’s either Staj not being honest like he says, otherwise it has all the hall marks of sour grapes if he was offered an NYL contract.

 

[Insertnamehere]

Apparently sniffing around Ryan Strain at AUtd...

 

[Ozhammer]

Apparently sniffing around Ryan Strain at AUtd...

Shame he’s not a LB eh? I thought he had a pretty ordinary game last time out and got caught high numerous times but he is only young to be fair.

 

[turbo]

He’s had some poor moments this season but I’ll start paying a bit more attention to him now if I catch an Adelaide game. Wonder what implications that would have for Ziggy and possibly Fox.