"I for one welcome our insect overlords" - The Politics Thread

[MagpieMariner]

Dibo will be crying like ................

He's not the only one.

 

[Wombat]

I'm pleased the Coast remains winnable for both parties. It should ensure they continue to invest in us and not take us for granted.

 

[pjennings]

I'm pleased the Coast remains winnable for both parties. It should ensure they continue to invest in us and not take us for granted.

Nice thought Wombat but they simply do not invest in the Coast. We are around 9th in size for urban areas in Australia but smaller places like Wollongong and Geelong, the Sunshine Coast, Hobart, Townsville, Cairns get more investment.

We are always seen as part of Sydney or part of Newcastle and the money for us goes to them and we get the dregs. That is one of the reasons that the continuing presence of the Mariners on the coast is important for our development and identity. It was also the reason that the Central Coast Highway was designated for what we all knew as other roads. A strong united identity is what is needed. Unfortunately at the moment our appropriate moniker would be "the Forgotten Coast".

20 years ago if someone from Sydney asked where you were from you would have said Gosford or Woy Woy or Wyong. Now you would say the Central Coast. That distinction is important going forward for politicians of all ilks to realise we are our own largish region.

 

[Wombat]

I dont agree.
There has been a big spend on the Coast in the last 2 years. Ourimbah to Lisarow dual carrigeway and the Hospital.
Better than normal.

 

[pjennings]

I dont agree.
There has been a big spend on the Coast in the last 2 years. Ourimbah to Lisarow dual carriageway and the Hospital.
Better than normal.

First mooted in about 1987 when I was part of the Narara Valley Progress Association - so yes they only have a backlog of 32 years.

 

[midfielder]

They spent money when we became a swinging seat...

The sad truth is we are mostly ignored, the ALP after "Don't you Know Who I am" left has largely ignored us a a Federal Level. Blinky Bill promised us nothing except to take away the retires franking credits.

I am a huge believer in climate change, and am so disappointed in the ALP for the campaign they ran.

As for the hospital I think it was the state libs and they won ...

IMO the ALP ran close to the worst campaign I have ever seen at a federal level, they simply assumed they would win and totally f**ked it up.

 

[Insertnamehere]

They spent money when we became a swinging seat...

The sad truth is we are mostly ignored, the ALP after "Don't you Know Who I am" left has largely ignored us a a Federal Level. Blinky Bill promised us nothing except to take away the retires franking credits.

I am a huge believer in climate change, and am so disappointed in the ALP for the campaign they ran.

As for the hospital I think it was the state libs and they won ...

IMO the ALP ran close to the worst campaign I have ever seen at a federal level, they simply assumed they would win and totally f**ked it up.

It's probably set back reforming govt a generation. Basically till the boomers start dying off.

 

[MagpieMariner]

It's probably set back reforming govt a generation. Basically till the boomers start dying off.

Don't blame me, I didn't vote for them. When I die, you'll have one less vote for a reforming government. And I'm a boomer.

 

[pjennings]

IMO the ALP ran close to the worst campaign I have ever seen at a federal level, they simply assumed they would win and totally f**ked it up.

Yes and no.

Died in the wool Tory father-in-law was going to vote ALP until Lucy told him about Labor's inheritance tax (non-existent). How many times was this lie perpetuated in retirement villages across Australia. Fact is it is not ALP policy, (it wasn't when Malcolm Fraser ran the same scare campaign in 1980) it is Green policy (but they said they are not taking it to this election) and Morrison when asked said he wouldn't rule anything in or out.

The ALP tried a big reform agenda from opposition as did Hewson before them and Whitlam before him. MSM was backing Morrison 3 to 1. The ABC were even biased toward Morrison. Why the ABC did I don't know as they have now made it policy to privatise it.

When asked about Energy policy (which they don't seem to have) he would not rule in or out Nuclear (which is on the IPA wish list (of which most of the Coalition front bench are members of )). Which electorate will vote for that in their neighborhood - when they need to be close to water for cooling and to lessen transmission costs.

If Adani is about jobs then what commitment is there to jobs from Adani apart from construction. They want it to be robotic from pit to port. Meanwhile 50,000 tourism jobs are at risk. Clive is the big winner here. The Coalition will now put in a taxpayer funded rail line that will make his Galilee basin mines worthwhile (4 times bigger than the revised Adani mine). Cheap at $60million.

I repeat what I said previously about journalists - If someone says it's raining and another person says it's dry, it's not your job to quote them both. Your job is to look out the f**king window and find out which is true

With the economy turning to shit this analysis by Ross Gittins this morning is very prescient.

In this election it was the Morrison government that made itself a small target so all the focus would be on Labor’s perceived policy losers.

Believing he had nothing to lose, Morrison staked everything on offering the world’s most expensive tax cuts.

But did he lie awake in the early hours of Sunday morning wondering how on earth he’d pay for them without the budget heading back into deficit? About the hugely optimistic forecasts of the economy’s early return to strong growth used to bolster his economic record? About the requirement that there be zero real growth in government spending per person over the next four years?

Morrison has no policy to control electricity prices, no convincing policy on climate change, no policy to halt the rising cost of health insurance, no policy response to any downturn in the economy, no solution to “cost of living pressures” and no plan to increase wages except yet more waiting.

The day may come when he decides winning the election was the easy bit.

 

[Insertnamehere]

Don't blame me, I didn't vote for them. When I die, you'll have one less vote for a reforming government. And I'm a boomer.

Sorry mate. Appreciate that o65s had the biggest swing to the libs. so it is a broad sweeping statement.
Just like im apparently a inner city latte sipping millenial elite. I went to Gorokan High FFS and got a UAI of 54. I worked my ass off to get to where I am and I want quality services for my children not a $20/wk tax cut.

 

[MagpieMariner]

Yes agree the oldies got taken in by Murdoch & the lies. The thing that bugs me most is the number of people saying "Oh I'm not interested in politics" then follow the MSM (particularly the Murdoch mob) with all the lies like sheep. You should be f**king interested in politics, it affects every part of your life. I have had people tell me as fact that Labor was going to bring in a "death tax" which they've just parroted from the conservative propaganda. As a Labor member, I've never seen or heard that even as a joke in all the meetings I go to. We're called the lucky country, but really we're the stupid country.

 

[Insertnamehere]

Yes agree the oldies got taken in by Murdoch & the lies. The thing that bugs me most is the number of people saying "Oh I'm not interested in politics" then follow the MSM (particularly the Murdoch mob) with all the lies like sheep. You should be f**king interested in politics, it affects every part of your life. I have had people tell me as fact that Labor was going to bring in a "death tax" which they've just parroted from the conservative propaganda. As a Labor member, I've never seen or heard that even as a joke in all the meetings I go to. We're called the lucky country, but really we're the stupid country.

We're stupid, we're selfish. The fair go, egalitarian thing is horse poo. We're full of an overwhelming group of people who think f**k you, got mine is how to live.

 

[pjennings]

When Beazley said we need to be the clever country I remember Barry Jones commenting that while ever he saw the stupidity of watching people struggle with ATMs we will never be the clever country.

 

[midfielder]

Yes and no.

Died in the wool Tory father-in-law was going to vote ALP until Lucy told him about Labor's inheritance tax (non-existent). How many times was this lie perpetuated in retirement villages across Australia. Fact is it is not ALP policy, (it wasn't when Malcolm Fraser ran the same scare campaign in 1980) it is Green policy (but they said they are not taking it to this election) and Morrison when asked said he wouldn't rule anything in or out.

The ALP tried a big reform agenda from opposition as did Hewson before them and Whitlam before him. MSM was backing Morrison 3 to 1. The ABC were even biased toward Morrison. Why the ABC did I don't know as they have now made it policy to privatise it.

When asked about Energy policy (which they don't seem to have) he would not rule in or out Nuclear (which is on the IPA wish list (of which most of the Coalition front bench are members of )). Which electorate will vote for that in their neighborhood - when they need to be close to water for cooling and to lessen transmission costs.

If Adani is about jobs then what commitment is there to jobs from Adani apart from construction. They want it to be robotic from pit to port. Meanwhile 50,000 tourism jobs are at risk. Clive is the big winner here. The Coalition will now put in a taxpayer funded rail line that will make his Galilee basin mines worthwhile (4 times bigger than the revised Adani mine). Cheap at $60million.

I repeat what I said previously about journalists - If someone says it's raining and another person says it's dry, it's not your job to quote them both. Your job is to look out the f**king window and find out which is true

With the economy turning to shit this analysis by Ross Gittins this morning is very prescient.

In this election it was the Morrison government that made itself a small target so all the focus would be on Labor’s perceived policy losers.

Believing he had nothing to lose, Morrison staked everything on offering the world’s most expensive tax cuts.

But did he lie awake in the early hours of Sunday morning wondering how on earth he’d pay for them without the budget heading back into deficit? About the hugely optimistic forecasts of the economy’s early return to strong growth used to bolster his economic record? About the requirement that there be zero real growth in government spending per person over the next four years?

Morrison has no policy to control electricity prices, no convincing policy on climate change, no policy to halt the rising cost of health insurance, no policy response to any downturn in the economy, no solution to “cost of living pressures” and no plan to increase wages except yet more waiting.

The day may come when he decides winning the election was the easy bit.

PJ

Don't disagree with anything you posted.

Just a couple of points where I think the ALP failed.

1] Franking credits, while its an issue, there are a large number of not wealthy people who use those franking credits to add to their quality of life and I am talking about a couple who may earn say 30 to 40 K .... they should not have said all, far smarter to say incomes over ?????

2] They just kept saying we need climate change without explaining it in detail,

3] On a similar theme re 50% electric cars, they had so much overseas evidence on this they never used to explain their position and attack libs.

4] Relied too much on US / Bernie Sanders issues, when most of what Sanders wants we already have.

5] They said they provided a vision for the future, all they did was say they would redistribute wealth and think about climate change and make Australia a fairer place but the hows and with what were missing.

Essentially they made themselves a very easy target, hardly attacked the Libs in any meaningful way and overly relied on polls which are proving world over to not be reliable anymore... once when we all had land lines they could call a number and it gave a specif area but today with mobiles its different, Trump, Brexit, etc are showing traditional polling methods are very flawed...

Whether you like him or not and whether or not it would have made any difference to reporting in the end but to openly attack Rupert Murdoch, refuse to meet him I found beyond strange.

 

[pjennings]

Just love what passes for political journalism is this country. You would think that in an election developing policy is good and lying is bad. And yet this morning we have analysis that is telling the electorate that having policies is for losers and that liars are winners.

 

[pjennings]

PJ

Don't disagree with anything you posted.

Just a couple of points where I think the ALP failed.

1] Franking credits, while its an issue, there are a large number of not wealthy people who use those franking credits to add to their quality of life and I am talking about a couple who may earn say 30 to 40 K .... they should not have said all, far smarter to say incomes over ?????

2] They just kept saying we need climate change without explaining it in detail,

3] On a similar theme re 50% electric cars, they had so much overseas evidence on this they never used to explain their position and attack libs.

4] Relied too much on US / Bernie Sanders issues, when most of what Sanders wants we already have.

5] They said they provided a vision for the future, all they did was say they would redistribute wealth and think about climate change and make Australia a fairer place but the hows and with what were missing.

Essentially they made themselves a very easy target, hardly attacked the Libs in any meaningful way and overly relied on polls which are proving world over to not be reliable anymore... once when we all had land lines they could call a number and it gave a specif area but today with mobiles its different, Trump, Brexit, etc are showing traditional polling methods are very flawed...

Whether you like him or not and whether or not it would have made any difference to reporting in the end b) ut to openly attack Rupert Murdoch, refuse to meet him I found beyond strange.

1) Some what agree but many of those affected where resigned to fact that it was an unfair advantage and change to this would be better for their children and grandchildren an so were happy to go along with it. The outright lies on death duties is what bit here.

2) When I was 11 ( a hell of long time time ago ) I read the science on global warming. If people don't know now they don't want to know. The reef is affected. Some island in the Solomon Islands are no longer inhabitable. We have more extreme weather (especially in Qld).

3) They explained plenty. Liberals have the same policy - just ALP announced it first so they had to bag it. Angus Taylor, the Energy Minister, has the most re-charging places in the country within a 5 km radius of his office as he asked companies to trial it. Josh Freidenburg drives an electric car. These were two of the largest critics of the policy which calls for 50% of new cars (i.e. about 2-3% of all vehicles). This was explained by Labor but misrepresented time and time again. BTW recharging of these new vehicles is in the order of 8 - 10 minutes which Shorten said but was ridiculed by the media who have not done their homework.

Simply put, if you want to buy a big gas guzzler by 2030 good luck with that - as more and more manufacturers are committing to 100% electric.

4) don't know what you are saying here

5) Disagree completely. They spelt out an agenda. Maybe it wasn't reported very well.

It will be interesting to see how the 'best economic managers' handle a bad economy. Whitlam had to shoulder the OPEC shock. Fraser with Howard as treasurer handled the early 80s recession the worst of any OECD country delivering double digit inflation, double digit interest rates and double digit unemployment and handed over an economy with negative 2.3% growth. Hawke and Keating did the reforms but also had to deal with effects of the 1987 Black Monday crash. Howard had a golden ride on the back of a mining boom and introduced a number of middle class welfare measures including the franking credit tax refund for people that don't pay tax and basically set us up for continuing structural deficits No wonder Hockey told Costello to piss off when being given advice from Costello. Rudd and Swan had the GFC to contend with. This government has had an easy ride but has added $151,000,000 to the debt every single day of their reign.

All of this has been reported - just not anywhere by the mainstream media.

Australia has voted for tax cuts now and they will be delivered.

The vast majority of tax cuts won't be - the ones after the next 2 elections. They are based on assumptions of the economy that are simply wrong and they will be unaffordable. Tax cuts for the lower paid are needed now - as we head into a recession.

What other thing did Australia vote for. Morrison has a mandate for ...

 

[Insertnamehere]

1) Some what agree but many of those affected where resigned to fact that it was an unfair advantage and change to this would be better for their children and grandchildren an so were happy to go along with it. The outright lies on death duties is what bit here.

2) When I was 11 ( a hell of long time time ago ) I read the science on global warming. If people don't know now they don't want to know. The reef is affected. Some island in the Solomon Islands are no longer inhabitable. We have more extreme weather (especially in Qld).

3) They explained plenty. Liberals have the same policy - just ALP announced it first so they had to bag it. Angus Taylor, the Energy Minister, has the most re-charging places in the country within a 5 km radius of his office as he asked companies to trial it. Josh Freidenburg drives an electric car. These were two of the largest critics of the policy which calls for 50% of new cars (i.e. about 2-3% of all vehicles). This was explained by Labor but misrepresented time and time again. BTW recharging of these new vehicles is in the order of 8 - 10 minutes which Shorten said but was ridiculed by the media who have not done their homework.

Simply put, if you want to buy a big gas guzzler by 2030 good luck with that - as more and more manufacturers are committing to 100% electric.

4) don't know what you are saying here

5) Disagree completely. They spelt out an agenda. Maybe it wasn't reported very well.

It will be interesting to see how the 'best economic managers' handle a bad economy. Whitlam had to shoulder the OPEC shock. Fraser with Howard as treasurer handled the early 80s recession the worst of any OECD country delivering double digit inflation, double digit interest rates and double digit unemployment and handed over an economy with negative 2.3% growth. Hawke and Keating did the reforms but also had to deal with effects of the 1987 Black Monday crash. Howard had a golden ride on the back of a mining boom and introduced a number of middle class welfare measures including the franking credit tax refund for people that don't pay tax and basically set us up for continuing structural deficits No wonder Hockey told Costello to piss off when being given advice from Costello. Rudd and Swan had the GFC to contend with. This government has had an easy ride but has added $151,000,000 to the debt every single day of their reign.

All of this has been reported - just not anywhere by the mainstream media.

Australia has voted for tax cuts now and they will be delivered.

The vast majority of tax cuts won't be - the ones after the next 2 elections. They are based on assumptions of the economy that are simply wrong and they will be unaffordable. Tax cuts for the lower paid are needed now - as we head into a recession.

What other thing did Australia vote for. Morrison has a mandate for ...

He's got a mandate for more funding for private schools, some cancer research, Freeways and few sports clubs and 1.5bill out of the public service.
The rest was in the budget so imo it's not an election issue. The Libs have no plans or mandates. Just made a small target really.
The house is there's and the senate is favourable. Watch the skeletons come out of the closet.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Imagine sending out a wildly unpopular leader to sell a new tax.
Genius.
Hewson was quite well liked but it didn't work for him either
Shorten is a private schoolboy who has never held a real job.
No wonder he alienated the base

 

[Insertnamehere]

Imagine sending out a wildly unpopular leader to sell a new tax.
Genius.
Hewson was quite well liked but it didn't work for him either
Shorten is a private schoolboy who has never held a real job.
No wonder he alienated the base

Theyre all private school trust fund babies, groomed from childhood for politics.
Theres unlikely one who's worked in 3 different industries for minimum wage.

 

[pjennings]

Imagine sending out a wildly unpopular leader to sell a new tax.
Genius.
Hewson was quite well liked but it didn't work for him either
Shorten is a private schoolboy who has never held a real job.
No wonder he alienated the base

Fightback was a lot more than a 15% gst. It was the abolition of bulk billing, the abolition of awards, tax cuts for the middle class and upper class. Cuts to welfare.