GLORY v MARINERS

[marinermick]

Well Shipwreck, if the question was just whether Perez should be starting or not... Certainly looks like he should be to me also. Was not out of gas after playing 45 mins (inc extra time) so fitness seems up to it, and I maintain he looks a class above musty. (Which should be expected at this time)

Sorry Mick, but he certainly did not look lost or like he would need a few weeks coming off the bench to be able to fit into our play to me.

Well, it certainly appears Perez will start next week but I don't think he would have made such a difference in the first half if he started.

Perth pressed high up the park with intensity and starved off supply to Griffiths who could not get hold of the midfield. Coupled with the poor distribution out of the back as well as the turnovers Amini was cut off all supply of the ball. This was more Griffith's fault than Amini's.

The second half, with the heat, Perth was unable to maintain this high tempo pressing game allowing more space in midfield in which Perez was able to take advantage of the situation. If it was Amini coming off the bench I am sure he would have looked good as well.

Anyway, Perez has done his service on the bench for a couple of weeks now and as I said in this thread he is the preferred attacking midfielder.

 

[universalmind]

I'll take a point away to Perth anyday. It's a long way to travel, and it showed in the performance tonight.

Perth bascially man marked all 11 of our players (Ryan included). Kwas, Simon and Musty were given no change at all, and as a result our cohesion affected. We looked as if we were torn between playing direct forward focused football and our normal patient possession game. The result was an ugly, frusting calamity of both.

Ryan, the three centre halves and Perez all played well. McBreen made a nuisance of himself when on. Our wide players were taken out of the game and we looked lost for methods of attack. Griffiths struggles when his wide options are taken away. He often played backwards or lost possession. I'm not convinced on him being the answer to our screening midfielder role, but he desrves more time to prove consistency.

Focus turns to GCU. It's almost a must win. Partly because I hate every player in their team and what their team stands for, and because we dont want them getting too far away from us.

 

[scottmac]

Well, it certainly appears Perez will start next week but I don't think he would have made such a difference in the first half if he started.

Perth pressed high up the park with intensity and starved off supply to Griffiths who could not get hold of the midfield. Coupled with the poor distribution out of the back as well as the turnovers Amini was cut off all supply of the ball. This was more Griffith's fault than Amini's.

The second half, with the heat, Perth was unable to maintain this high tempo pressing game allowing more space in midfield in which Perez was able to take advantage of the situation. If it was Amini coming off the bench I am sure he would have looked good as well.

Anyway, Perez has done his service on the bench for a couple of weeks now and as I said in this thread he is the preferred attacking midfielder.

Spot on Mick.

Griffiths was kept out of the game which in turn kept musty quiet. Where we completely went missing was the left side. I think the stat was one ball in from the left all game compared with 11 from the right.

 

[marinersman]

That's Perth's best peformance since the first five rounds. I thought they were good. Hungry, pressed high up the park and forced us to turn the ball over. With the exception of Wee Mac, we were slaughtered in midfield and I'm sure Perez will start next week.

McBreen clearly fouled Risden but we weren't too bad in the second half. Always a dificult place to go, regardless of their home form this season. Don't forget they smashed Victory at home a few weeks ago. Gold Coast is now a six pointer and our biggest game of the season, a must win. Win that one and Adelaide on Boxing Day we'll be in with a real big shout of top two. Some very, very big games coming up folks.

 

[lewis27]

Robbie Fowler got his pants pulled down twice by weemac haha

 

[MagpieMariner]

We were very lucky to get away with this one. Sometimes however a good team will pull something out of its anus even when it's playing poorly and get away with a game they had every right to lose.
While I agree with others that our mids (except Wee-Mac) were poor, I think we're not giving enough credit to the Perth guys. To quote the old cliche, you can only play as well as the opposition lets you.

 

[someguy]

mcbreens tackle was probably a foul, but risden had already headed the ball before mcbreen hit him. wouldve been harsh for parsons to disallow it, especially when he rarely makes big calls like that. wouldve been controversial no matter which way he ruled it.

 

[Bex]

For about 75 minutes we were second to every ball. Lack of determination in my opinion.

Our tempo was very slow when we had the ball meaning Perth could attack us as the best means of defence. For the most part we were a group of individual players rather than a team. There were no one-two's or triangles in mid-field as we've seen in recent games. I don't think that was anything to do with Perth, our players just weren't moving into space in mid-field to receive and, when they did, the tendency of those in posession was to hoof it to Simon, switch play to the other side of the field or pass back to our defensive line. How could Amini possibly get any service under those conditions?

I don't know whether it was a lazy performance in the heat, but we certainly didn't put in the same effort as Perth and that's what made the difference for mine.

I think we deserved the point though. If the Perth goal was quality rather than fluke than perhaps they could claim the full 3 points. We had a few real chances that would have been deserved as much as they did.

 

[MrCelery]

Robbie Fowler got his pants pulled down twice by weemac haha

Yes, good to see wasn't it!

WeeMac had a super game.

Where was Kwaz? Very ordinary for his 100th, considering the blinders he's been putting in of late,and rightly subbed.

 

[Revilo]

Maybe it's better to have McBreen start and rough up the defenders with Matty, then bring Kwas on if either forward is ineffecitve/tires.

Kwas is quick and tries to beat the offside trap, which tired defenders have struggled with. This has seen Kwas score heaps of goals up the bench.

Kwas earned the right to start, but maybe he is just more effective off the bench as a super-sub.

 

[style_cafe]

I must admit that I didn`t see the game.
However, I did listen to it on the radio & had the stats on the comp.
From the commentary description Weemac was easily our best.

I have long held the view that the most difficult attacks to defend against is where the ball is taken to the goaline & then cut back towards the spot.
The Roar absolutely killed us a fortnight ago doing just this,then we killed SFC doing exactly the same.
It`s not rocket science just basic football,so why did we change it?

 

[Wombat]

Revilo,

That is how i see it exactly.

As a supersub he is the business and gives us something different. As a starting player he is pretty poor.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Just read back through last couple of pages, so many good posts and game assessments on here. All a bit different, all adding perspective and value. I'm impressed. Quality football reviews Mariners fan.

KUDOS to you all. Makes you proud to be CCM fan.

NOw lets go beat GCU, that is one scalp I would LOOOOOVE to take - and there's no better time than now.

 

[warlord]

Its a good sign getting points away from home when u dont play well,shows how much we have improved from last year,dont think we would have got back into that game last year

 

[MagpieMariner]

Maybe it's better to have McBreen start and rough up the defenders with Matty, then bring Kwas on if either forward is ineffecitve/tires.

Kwas is quick and tries to beat the offside trap, which tired defenders have struggled with. This has seen Kwas score heaps of goals up the bench.

Kwas earned the right to start, but maybe he is just more effective off the bench as a super-sub.

Kwas started against the Smurfs and had a blinder, but our midfield had a blinder as well and put some great service in for the strikers.
Maybe it wasn't Kwas playing poorly this time, maybe it was the mids getting done & therefore no service to Kwas.

 

[Bex]

I believe you're probably right Spike. Whilst Kwassie was missing, it's a bit hard to expect a striker to have a great game when we can't push the ball through midfield. I would put the blame at the lethargic midfield before criticising the strikers. Matty is more a target man than Kwas so that explains why Matt was getting more ball.

 

[Deej]

I believe you're probably right Spike. Whilst Kwassie was missing, it's a bit hard to expect a striker to have a great game when we can't push the ball through midfield. I would put the blame at the lethargic midfield before criticising the strikers. Matty is more a target man than Kwas so that explains why Matt was getting more ball.

Spot on.

I think if GA knew Perth would be so physical he'd have started McBreen but the midfield did nothing really in that first half, we had 1 clear cut chance which Simon f**ked up.