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[Gratis]

still - very happy with the on field side of things, the players, the cannon, the lot really. pleased Justin is going to get his day too

 

[eenfish]

still - very happy with the on field side of things, the players, the cannon, the lot really. pleased Justin is going to get his day too

This may be a preminition, but I had a dream last night that I finished work and ended up chatting to Justin Pasfield about how he was going to be the starting goalkeeper next year and he said he was ready.

 

[midfielder]

There's a way of solving that problem then. Go in, have a cup of coffee with the CCF TD, help to map out a syllabus for the year. Help with coach selection, help to train the coaches.

One constant in rep football is people bagging the coaches, and the grass is always greener. CCM can help, but they can't dictate.

The inference was they have tried to do that and have been rejected…. Maybe it was rejected on financial issues or for other reasons… I have no idea why, nor did Charleworth fan any fire and say why ..But there is a bottleneck… all I can say is GA was the most vocal … something is stopping it from happening and what Charlesworth did say he has arranged a meeting with the heads of the local park teams as CCM and the association appear to be at an impasse …

If I had a guess … and it’s purely a guess …. Both sides will need to comprise … me thinks the [remember a guess so could be wrong] association is not to keen to let CCM tell em how to run and prepare their rep teams….. CCM maybe expect the association to pick up additional costs over and above what they spend now…


However I reiterate the discussion was driven from the floor … it was not an agenda item, nor was it discussed by the panel at all… and in the early stages Charlesworth tried almost to gloss over the issue … the questions and demands came from the floor and when GA said effectively the rep sides are being poorly coached and I have offered to design the coaching methods and Dutchie has offered to write up programs but we have been rejected it kinda started something as a statement like that does and almost demanded Charlesworth provide some answers … especially when someone from the floor said parents who come to our academy from Sydney are going back to SFC & WSW next year…

 

[midfielder]

Why cant the CCM focus on financal stability and getting that in order?

Do you know something we don't ... my understanding today is all our debts are paid ... we have funds for next year and the COE has re started construction...

 

[Einstein]

Do you know something we don't ... my understanding today is all our debts are paid ... we have funds for next year and the COE has re started construction...

Are we debt free? I cannot answer that, but I would hardly call us stable. I just wish we would focus on bums on seats and the A-League.

 

[rbakersmith]

Are we debt free? I cannot answer that, but I would hardly call us stable.

Well the club's certainly in a far better position than they were 3-4 months ago.

I just wish we would focus on bums on seats and the A-League.

If you've paid any attention to the membership figures (2,912 as of earlier today) and the recent signings you'll see that they're doing just that.

At the same time, it's in the club's best interests to foster good relations with local clubs, and to ensure that there is a quality youth development programme in place to feed local footballers into the NYL and A-League sides.

IMO if they need to publicly shame CCF into action in order to achieve those goals, then so be it. I seriously doubt GA would have made the statements about coaching quality that were mentioned by midfielder if they didn't have any merit.

I'm sure the majority of people here don't need reminding, but it was only two years ago that CCF chose to scrap their decades-long representative football programme (which came in for a great deal of criticism at the time) and jump in bed with the Mariners. To believe that CCM wouldn't want to exert control over the quality of the Academy coaching programme (and protect the Mariners "brand") to me sounds somewhat naïve.

 

[style_cafe]

As I'm sure everyone can agree long as the Association is funding it, they call the shots. It's up to them to determine what is financially responsible and appropriate - it's their members' money. If it's their responsibility to fund it, it's their right to run it as they see fit. If that happens to be the way CCM wants it run, all good. But it's up to CCM to convince CCF, but it's not CCF's responsibility to agree with every (or any) request from CCM.

I'm sure we'd all agree that when CCM are funding it, they can call the shots.

From experience:- youth League, if run properly, is self funding & should not put any financial strain on the Association.

 

[Bex]

My understanding from the forum was that big Pat has offered to write a manual on "playing the mariner's way" and Arnie has offered to help with coach selection and to provide training to coaches, but there's been no takers from CCF. Arnie said coaching costs coaches a fortune and he's happy to do it as part of his salaried job with CCM. I guess there's probably another side to that story which wasn't represented at the forum.

 

[dibo]

From experience:- youth League, if run properly, is self funding & should not put any financial strain on the Association.

Youth league isn't the problem. As I said above, it will likely be 'better' than self-funding and can provide a cross-subsidy. With SAP, this is even more true now.

It's the senior age groups that eat the money.

My understanding from the forum was that big Pat has offered to write a manual on "playing the mariner's way" and Arnie has offered to help with coach selection and to provide training to coaches, but there's been no takers from CCF. Arnie said coaching costs coaches a fortune and he's happy to do it as part of his salaried job with CCM. I guess there's probably another side to that story which wasn't represented at the forum.

This is something best done as part of the start of season setup - hire coaches and coordinators with this as part of the program.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Ok, all positions and thoughts aside. Great thread. So hard to try and have this kind of discourse in a lot of places without it just turning to total shit.
Now please carry on...

 

[offtheball]

From experience:- youth League, if run properly, is self funding & should not put any financial strain on the Association.

As Dibo says better than self funding with parents forking out close to $100 a game for the honour of playing Youth League.

 

[MrCelery]

Also, is anything Charlesworth said in the media untrue?

I mean come on, we've all been part of amateur football associations for the better part of our lives. Lets not kid ourselves as to their ability to run like a democracy where the desire of the majority is adhered to (or even listened to!!)

Its a classic case of old time soccer relations. Here we have the chance to get together & create an awesome entity un matched in modern day Australian football, but we're too busy killing it from inside. Funny thing is that by the time this kind of relationship really bears consistent fruit, those who right now think they know best will be gone.

Totally agree with this. Having managed teams at club and representative level in Newcastle for many years, the ongoing machinations of the local Association I was involved with would put Game of Thrones to shame. And yes, that includes the sex and violence. I would like to think that many of the 'old farts' running the show have moved on, but it is more likely they've just been replaced with others with similar delusions of grandeur. I'm sure all of them had the kids welfare at heart, but administrative positions do attract a certain type of person that consider themselves 'born to rule'. Sometimes that attitude gets in the way of common sense and what is best for the code.

 

[midfielder]

Agree with the sediments expressed by MrClery & Scotty…
I have no idea who is right and wrong and the answer lies I guess in comprise…
Statements made to date about the association… re costs … Arnold said he and Dutchie would undertake the work within their Mariners salaries…
That they sit down and have a chat over coffee … its well past that stage …
That it involves simply selecting some coaches … it is much more than this…
What I understand from the forum and stated by the Mariners … the Mariners wish to set up an academy based on Ajax model…
If GA & Dutchie put their name to this training it will be something …. I suggest many times the quality currently on offer…
Associations run park teams, organise ref’s, fields etc…. they do not enjoy as a group any status in running academies or great technical advances…
GA stated he wanted to create something special, a legacy for the future and something very special for the Coast was being prevented…he also said time is running out as he may leave in 12 months…
The club has gone to the presidents of the park teams to present their case…
Way back in 1955 a very similar thing happened in Sydney … and a break away competition was created i.e. the ethnic clubs lead by Frank Lowy as those running the associations wanted among other things to run the rep teams as they tho they should be run… that decision set football decades
Having not heard the position of the association and why they hold their views it’s difficult to get a fuller understanding… however I have heard GA speak many times before and way back to his Northern Spirit days and I have never heard him say things like he did at the fans forum…

Maybe the best thing is for the Mariners to take over the running of the association ….

 

[bistro]

I don't think running the association is for CCM. CCF should continue to do this but only to administer and govern the local competitions. They should outsource the development programs to CCM (because thats where the vision and the expertise is- and its being offered). Not many communities/regions are lucky enough to have an A-League team in their backyard - CCF need to embrace the possibilities here.

 

[style_cafe]

As Dibo says better than self funding with parents forking out close to $100 a game for the honour of playing Youth League.

There`s no doubt the cost is exorbitant & that some form of fundraising has to be undertaken to offset the cost.
Is there any breakdown of the fees available to justify such a large amount?

 

[style_cafe]

I don't think running the association is for CCM. CCF should continue to do this but only to administer and govern the local competitions. They should outsource the development programs to CCM (because thats where the vision and the expertise is- and its being offered). Not many communities/regions are lucky enough to have an A-League team in their backyard - CCF need to embrace the possibilities here.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Totally agree with this. Having managed teams at club and representative level in Newcastle for many years, the ongoing machinations of the local Association I was involved with would put Game of Thrones to shame. And yes, that includes the sex and violence. I would like to think that many of the 'old farts' running the show have moved on, but it is more likely they've just been replaced with others with similar delusions of grandeur. I'm sure all of them had the kids welfare at heart, but administrative positions do attract a certain type of person that consider themselves 'born to rule'. Sometimes that attitude gets in the way of common sense and what is best for the code.

I can't know if it applies in this instance. But by and large, this has certainly been my experience also.

 

[eenfish]

I don't think running the association is for CCM. CCF should continue to do this but only to administer and govern the local competitions. They should outsource the development programs to CCM (because thats where the vision and the expertise is- and its being offered). Not many communities/regions are lucky enough to have an A-League team in their backyard - CCF need to embrace the possibilities here.

My views exactly.

There is some great discourse going on in here, I really hope that the discourse between CCM and CCF is as civil and thoughtful.

 

[FFC Mariner]

By all accounts it is like the civil and thoughtful discourse between Campbell Newman and Qld health workers

 

[MagpieMariner]

By all accounts it is like the civil and thoughtful discourse between Campbell Newman and Qld health workers

Between Campbell Newman and anyone...