Danny re-signed for 3 years

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

If it leads to suspensions then it's a bad thing
Suspensions involving having a go at the ref are amongst the stupidest ones you can get.
If our players get suspended, I'd rather see it be for doing something useful.  Like sucker punching joel griffiths  irate:

High level sport is all about controlled agression - these guys have to play with a high level of agression, but keep it from boiling over (and I'm not angel on the field myself).  Experience will help a lot with that.

Surely I can't be the only person who got a little concerned when he got booked for having a go at the ref when he was only coming out of (or in the middle of...that split suspended thing hurts my brain) a suspension for slapping a ref.  I certainly didn't mean to suggest I was judging him for that - let's allow the season to show how good his restraint is

Bear - cheers for your post.  I don't know why I thought he had another red....

 

[FFC Mariner]

Dannys job is to play as a 5th defender, a sweeper if you like as we play a high pressing game (sorry refs this is football talk but hang in there).

That will lead to a v high probablility of "last man" type challenges and red cards. The way we play is a % game and these thing happen - its got nothing to do with temper.

ps - sackwhack was actually running away from the goal and didnt even have the ball under control let alone a clear goal scoring opportunity

 

[FFC Mariner]

So you believe it wasn't Danny's fault that he got suspended then?  Now who's being an apologist? 

Just because I've sometimes tried to explain potential reasons for a decision given (including how the wrong one may have been reached)....I suppose it's just too easy to hate and blame rather than actually show a little bit of thought, isn't it? 

BTW: I challenge you to find where I've tried to excuse Shield for the numerous f**k-ups in the GF (such as the HB - I could hazard a guess as to how it was missed, but that doesn't justify the fact that it was, or not booking any of the jets players for starting that big fight at the end), or the inconsistency in allowing Milligan to assault him two weeks prior.  Go on, give it a shot.  If I'm such an apologist it'd have to be in there somewhere, wouldn't it?

Still, I must congratulate you on your considered and relevant reply to my post.

Ah, someone who's opinions are facts whereas other peoples views are wrong. Can see why you are a ref.

 

[dub]

No room for sentiment in football.

Absolutely, Danny must start but given my previous opinions about Bozza I have enjoyed watching him these past few games and I will miss him a our our club. Hopefully he gets that Cameo Greenpole and the whole crowd stays for a lap of honour. Would have been great to play a bigger club like the bling or scum, I feel a bigger crowd would be a better send off for the man.

Goodbye Bozza



No way if Bozza is fit he should play why put Danny at risk to getting sent off or Injury for such a average game our team is just as good with both keepers.

As I know it Bozza is going to LA due to previous commitment and will not be available for two- three weeks why risk in loosing a good keeper our management  team have never taken risk before why now. That is why we played Danny in the game with Sydney for the same reason even if we lost that one ???

 

[FFC Mariner]

Personally, I would love to see Bozza get on the field at some point but am not expecting to see it.

Is the injury to his kicking leg??

 

[dub]

Personally, I would love to see Bozza get on the field at some point but am not expecting to see it.

Is the injury to his kicking leg??

Yes but he has been training all week and from Fridays effort looked fully fit even if Peg has to do the goal kicks its one keeper you keep in reserve?

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Ah, someone who's opinions are facts whereas other peoples views are wrong. Can see why you are a ref.

Lol, nice one.  I said that I've tried to offer possible explanations from time to time, and suddenly that supposedly means that I'm right and everybody else is wrong.  Righto chief

Dannys job is to play as a 5th defender, a sweeper if you like as we play a high pressing game (sorry refs this is football talk but hang in there).

That will lead to a v high probablility of "last man" type challenges and red cards. The way we play is a % game and these thing happen - its got nothing to do with temper.

ps - sackwhack was actually running away from the goal and didnt even have the ball under control let alone a clear goal scoring opportunity

I wasn't referring to the late challenges (a couple of mistimed challenges over 3 years isn't much to be worried about) - and I've always said that the 'last man' red card was incorrect for the very reason you provided.  IIRC that was Breeze, who tends to either give out too many cards and starts carding unnecessarily (which seemed to be the case there), or just doesn't pull them out at all.  One day he'll find a balance ;-)

 

[Bear]

EDIT: I just remembered, the 'last man' red against Sydney was for a deliberate handball outside the area.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Ah that's right...bit of bad luck that one was

Did he get sent off for another 'last man' foul for tripping somebody who was actually running out towards the corner flag?

 

[Bear]

Yep, im pretty sure it was this one...

Late challenge against Joel (i think thats what it was) against Newcastle 3-0 v3 to make the final, yellow card

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Righto.

Yeah, we copped it bloody rough that year with the red cards - I think just over half of our reds were the wrong decision...I think that was the same year as Porter's RC (and IIRC, that was the same AR who denied us the penalty in the GF.  Thank f**k he's gone now too - he was an AR I wouldn't want trust on my 10G line, yet he was a FFA favourite.  Politics are the death of all things!).

 

[FFC Mariner]

I can understand why the 2 refs experiment didnt work but does anyone know if the have ever experimented with 4 AR's??

I also understand that FIFA try to have uniform playing conditions and 4 Ar's is hard at all bar the top level but you then have one dedicated to trying to keep up with play and calling offsides and one to check other things.

surely worth trying before video refs (although I believe that is a no brainer)

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Greenpole - I know they were talking about having penalty area officials (to monitor the ball crossing the line in the goal, and a secondary purpose of calling penalties the ref may miss), not sure if they tried it.  I don't know of any '4 AR' experiment.

I can't remember the details of the 2 ref experiment, or why it failed - after all, the idea is based on solid ground.  Futsal uses 2 officials.  Actually, US high school soccer uses 2 officials (although they've made such extensive law changes that I don't think it's actually a FIFA sanctioned competition anymore).

It was an observation I made this season refereeing after missing the occasional foul in the forward left pocket of the field.  Here, play is moving away from the referee and there's a good chance that the players are going to be orientated so as to give the ref a poor view of little pushes.  It's also easy for a ref to get unsighted for a handball, if the player's body is in the way.  Yeah, fitness is key here - getting up and across fast enough to see what happened.

Even then, it is the only part of the field where the ref is going to get no help whatsoever from his AR.

As an AR I've also found that it can be very difficult to see if the ball has crossed the line on the other side of the goal line, past the goals - when you have the goalposts, net, and probably the keeper in the way, it's difficult.  And if the challenge occurs right on the line, it's difficult for the AR or ref to accurately judge who it came off.

You could even work out a system of splitting responsibility - ie under certain conditions (say, a fast break, or a ceremonial free kick), one AR will head straight for the goal line while the other will watch the offside line.

We've all seen how many goal line decisions have gone wrong.  We all know that Adelaide's goal isn't the only offside decision that's been missed.  All it takes is a momentary lapse of concentration, or a player or two in the way - heck, even late afternoon sun, and an offside gets missed - and the chances of this happening increases the further away from the AR the player is.  Another AR on the other side will go a long way to eliminating errors in all those areas.

And, without a doubt, 4 AR's would've allowed us to have a penalty in the GF.

I don't believe in the concept of uniform playing conditions across all grades - cricket and rugby union/league change the conditions without any problem whatsoever.

We all know that the game is refereed completely differently at the top levels, often to the point where it seems like there's a secret set of laws of the game that only elite referees get to see (such as seeing what things get ignored), so the idea of uniform playing conditions has already failed. 

 

[FFC Mariner]

Among the most controversial issues will always be:

Offsides
Penalties
Ball crossing the line

Personally, Video refs are a must. Each of those decisions (or not) are normally accompanied by a break in play anyway.

 

[dibo]

Ah that's right...bit of bad luck that one was

Did he get sent off for another 'last man' foul for tripping somebody who was actually running out towards the corner flag?

Yep, im pretty sure it was this one...

Late challenge against Joel (i think thats what it was) against Newcastle 3-0 v3 to make the final, yellow card

he wasn't sent for that (otherwise he would have missed the final).

the handbal in the 5-4 game was outside the corner of the area with brosque moving towards the corner and with defenders dropping hard - keepers almost invariably get red for deliberate handling outside the area but i'm not sure he should have in that instance. it was not your usual 'keeper coming out to challenge a striker who's through and the ball takes the hand outside the area on the way to goal' kinda handball.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Ah, now it's all clear

Yeah, Brosque was heading well towards the corner which is why I didn't think it should've been a red...

Greenpole - if the ball crossing the line or a penalty is missed, then there wouldn't be a break in play, would there?

 

[dibo]

Ah, now it's all clear

Yeah, Brosque was heading well towards the corner which is why I didn't think it should've been a red...

Greenpole - if the ball crossing the line or a penalty is missed, then there wouldn't be a break in play, would there?

particularly in the 'ball off the underside of the bar and bouncing out' or 'cleared from somewhere in the vicinity of the line back into play' situation. that's where goal-line technology comes in.

 

[mariners4ever]

Greenpole - I know they were talking about having penalty area officials (to monitor the ball crossing the line in the goal, and a secondary purpose of calling penalties the ref may miss), not sure if they tried it.  I don't know of any '4 AR' experiment.

I can't remember the details of the 2 ref experiment, or why it failed - after all, the idea is based on solid ground.  Futsal uses 2 officials.  Actually, US high school soccer uses 2 officials (although they've made such extensive law changes that I don't think it's actually a FIFA sanctioned competition anymore).

It was an observation I made this season refereeing after missing the occasional foul in the forward left pocket of the field.  Here, play is moving away from the referee and there's a good chance that the players are going to be orientated so as to give the ref a poor view of little pushes.  It's also easy for a ref to get unsighted for a handball, if the player's body is in the way.  Yeah, fitness is key here - getting up and across fast enough to see what happened.

Even then, it is the only part of the field where the ref is going to get no help whatsoever from his AR.

As an AR I've also found that it can be very difficult to see if the ball has crossed the line on the other side of the goal line, past the goals - when you have the goalposts, net, and probably the keeper in the way, it's difficult.  And if the challenge occurs right on the line, it's difficult for the AR or ref to accurately judge who it came off.

You could even work out a system of splitting responsibility - ie under certain conditions (say, a fast break, or a ceremonial free kick), one AR will head straight for the goal line while the other will watch the offside line.

We've all seen how many goal line decisions have gone wrong.  We all know that Adelaide's goal isn't the only offside decision that's been missed.  All it takes is a momentary lapse of concentration, or a player or two in the way - heck, even late afternoon sun, and an offside gets missed - and the chances of this happening increases the further away from the AR the player is.  Another AR on the other side will go a long way to eliminating errors in all those areas.

And, without a doubt, 4 AR's would've allowed us to have a penalty in the GF.

I don't believe in the concept of uniform playing conditions across all grades - cricket and rugby union/league change the conditions without any problem whatsoever.

We all know that the game is refereed completely differently at the top levels, often to the point where it seems like there's a secret set of laws of the game that only elite referees get to see (such as seeing what things get ignored), so the idea of uniform playing conditions has already failed. 

well they have tried the 2 extra assistants in the UEFA European Under-19 Championship qualifying round:

UEFA's head of refereeing Yvan Cornu has reacted positively to the recent experiment which involved two additional assistant referees being deployed in the UEFA European Under-19 Championship qualifying round.

'Only advantages'
The initiative which, in addition to the match referee and two assistant referees on the touchline, involves two extra assistants placed behind the goalline with the mission of focusing on incidents which happen in the penalty area, such as fouls or misconduct was pioneered in European U19 Championship qualifying Group 5 in Slovenia and has continued in Group 1, which kicked off in Hungary on Monday. Although keen to stress the trial is still in its early stages, Cornu believes the initial effect has been beneficial, saying: "It's a little too early to say for sure but the first conclusion after eight matches is that this is worth the effort. The referees have said to us and they are important, because they are on the pitch that so far they have seen only advantages.

Widespread benefits
"Firstly, there is better control of the penalty area, the referee feels more comfortable when there is a counterattack and, especially, there is less dissent from the players," Cornu added. "The extra assistant has a reassuring and preventative effect and does not affect the control of the game at all on the contrary, it improves it. So far we haven't seen a negative aspect, which could have created complications or problems."

'Best solution'
Cornu was also keen to emphasise the experiment is still in its infancy, explaining: "We're still in the test phase, so there are applications and interpretations from the extra referees which are different. We have two teams of referees here in Hungary and we're looking for the best solution. To start with, the two teams received similar instructions, but during matches we saw that some of the extra referees moved more on to the playing field and others preferred to be along the goalline. That's allowed us to remind them that the principle of the extra assistants is to control the penalty area. The tests will continue with different positions, so instead of being on the opposite side to the assistants, the extra assistant will be on the same side. The rules aren't fixed yet we're going to try everything."

IMHO should continue

 

[FFC Mariner]

Might stop all the argy bargy at corners too

 

[mariners4ever]

Might stop all the argy bargy at corners too

yep sure would