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Coast Football Ramble Podcast

Coast Football Ramble

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Episode 16:

This week we get into the festive spirit.
We talk to Shaun about the latest from CCMFC.
Discuss the new Foxsports TV deal.
Usual pre/reviews.

Apologies for any unusual things in the editing as alcohol was consumed.


 

Coast Football Ramble

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Episode 17:
After a Christmas break we talk to our shot stopper Paul Izzo.
W-league coordinator Carly Carmichael.
Discuss Mike Charlesworth's letter, transfers, reviews, previews and much more.

 

Coast Football Ramble

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Episode 18:
On this weeks show, we discuss the clubs stadium proposal to council.
We review our game against Sydney and look forward to Wellington away.
We talk trialists, Nasty Nachos, Kevin Airs and much more.

 

Coast Football Ramble

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Get your questions in for Roy by 5:20

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nebakke

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Another solid effort guys. Thanks

FWIW, I'm Okay with a ruthless professional bastard running our team provided he gets results.

I, on the other hand, wouldd like to know what's happened before I make up my mind about whether I'm OK with it or not ;)
 

JoyfulPenguin

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I, on the other hand, wouldd like to know what's happened before I make up my mind about whether I'm OK with it or not ;)
If you are disrespecting and bullying a player emotionally no matter their skill level that should be unacceptable. Players are humans just like you and I, you wouldn't want a new boss at your workplace to turn up and abuse you, terrorise you and impact your potential to get another job just because they don't think you are good enough for their workplace. I do not know what has happened but from what I gathered from the podcast it should be deeply worrying. If these allegations are true Paul Okon has lost a huge amount of respect in my eyes.
 

Luke

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Another solid effort guys. Thanks

FWIW, I'm Okay with a ruthless professional bastard running our team provided he gets results.

Same.

If we sign a couple of players then go on a run it all looks good.

Trouble is if results don't improve you're a ruthless dick for no reason. Very fine balance.
 

pjennings

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Same.

If we sign a couple of players then go on a run it all looks good.

Trouble is if results don't improve you're a ruthless dick for no reason. Very fine balance.

I think the discussion yesterday didn't give the details so a lot of people, myself included, do not know what the background was. I'm not sure who was saying it in the podcast yesterday but I found myself agreeing with them We all want a professionally run club and that means being ruthless at times. However, that does not mean you can bully or disrespect players to get them to move on. Treating them with respect is all part of being a professional club.
 

Luke

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About 11 minutes in for anyone who is curious about what we're referencing.

We tip-toed around the finer details of what we were talking about and didn't read it out word for word because said person has since changed their Facebook settings so not as many people could see the post. Some people on here may have seen it around maybe others haven't. We didn't want to necessarily "out" the person. Yes they posted it on Facebook and it's a public platform blah blah, but we weren't entirely comfortable with straight out naming them.

I'd say the cousins going are a *very* high chance. Both seemingly injury prone now and I can't see one staying without the other.
 

Forum Phoenix

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Thanks guys.

There's not a lot of softness in Paul and he's had a brutal introduction as a coach. Was already hugely up against it and his luck has been awful. And I think to be fair even if he is being very hard, most players move on without too much issue, and if you have true quality you will find your opportunity again soon enough. Whereas for coaches this is typically a lot harder and can easily end a career before it really even began. He fronts the press, the owner, fans etc and takes responsibility in a way players simply never have to.

I wish I saw the FB post. It's so hard to know what's going on off the park and the jaded shit some people sprout as fact never ceases to amaze me. So appreciate you guys felt it best to hold back etc. I spoke with a senior player recently who talked about the attitude in previous years of some of the young squad members and how disappointing and unprofessional it had gotten at times. Not sure if some of Pauls ruthlessness may be attributed to this also, but chances are.

So while we can't really know what went down, always two sides like you guys said, just a few other thoughts regarding seeing them isolated at training and exclusion etc... We all know it's not that uncommon, and it's easy to feel empathy for the excluded players, but there are some other factors/repercussions in these scenarios. Caveat. I'm not saying these apply in the case of Fletcher and McDonald however as I don't know, but I think also worth considering.

- A good amount of players who don't feel they've been given their chance week to week turn poisonous. Especially when sides are not performing and criticism can be easily made of the starting 11.
- Players who know they are leaving can be especially poisonous.
- Even if players are deliberately not being poisonous and just trying to go about business as usual, its still very hard not to be at all affected day to day, and if your squad knows you and ironically worse cares about you, (the family club) it's very hard for them not to be affected in turn. Especially young players who won't have had as much exposure to the cruelty of professional sports at times. And as a coach you need everyones mind solely on the training and on up coming games etc.
- It can also affect the coach, obviously human too, and often feel terrible about having to make those hard calls. But they have to, and they need to be able to keep their focus as well, and that can mean not every time a player tries hard you feel bad for them or they do something good and you start second guessing your decision to release them.
- It's a hard example, but it can set an example. It creates fear (Popovic comes to mind) but that can make players lift.
- There's that vibe that comes with having everyone being enrolled in the vision and all feeling a part of it etc.. When you talk to a group and you give those speeches... and you look from eye to eye... and some people know its not really for them, and you know it to, and you know they know you do, it can feel pretty dishonest and uncomfortable. Some people are really good at it regardless. Some less so. I think Okon is a very honest/blunt guy - I think this would not be something he likes doing or maybe is just plain not any good at. In which case he just has to be true to himself and the hard ass he is.
- Practicality, one less thing to worry about in a session - your attention is only being given to those who are a part of your plans, now, or in the future (Peterson) its utilitarian and not likeable - but true.

Appreciate most already know and have probably considered these things, but still thought it was worth mentioning/putting down if we're having a public forum discussion for full balance.

TW being the loveliest bloke in the world didn't get us anywhere, so I am hoping Okon being iron fisted will. They had to be cut really and Okon needs to do what he thinks is best for the Central Coast Mariners first and foremost - which can sometimes conflict with what is best for an individual player. So I'm loathe to see this as a reflection of his character or as nasty or unnecessary as it may seem at a glance seem.

Re losing the cousins... Well lets be honest, they are quite literally the straws that have broken the camels back for us this year. Two foreign spots, two experienced players, presumably on higher coin than most, in two critical areas for us on the park... we desperately needed them. But we can't even get them on the park. However can we afford to pay them out and bring someone else in? Probably not right? So unless Tav is ruled out and we can get an injury replacement, would they bother cutting them right now? Maybe if Monty doesn't get his citizenship and they want Facundo I guess.

Going with my avatar and disagreeing with everyone on Fab though. I think in a poor midfield he made some mistakes, but did some good things also. He kept possession better than just about any other CCM player and had a decent dig at it considering it was his first full ninety there and I challenge people to watch it back and just focus on Fab, he was one of the only players who played with adventure, he did present consistently - unlike Powell and was involved a lot more. I think his hog and shoot moment was probably his poorest, but if it goes in he's a star and imo we don't shoot enough from outside the box. Not arguing he's a 10, but I've seen much worse efforts these past 3 years in yellow and I'm comparing him to Powell at present. He was also quite clearly good there the past two cameos he made and think to say otherwise for mine, is just not accurate or fair.

Don't get me wrong, I still want a real 10.
 
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Big Al

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Same as FP it's hard to comment without seeing the Facebook comment but we can put a few dots together.
The PFA were involved so the club have notified them they aren't part of the plans (no game time also), so they will have known for a little while. The lawyers came in and have gotten the players their full entitlements as they are contractually owed and we get to move them on now.
If they the players were complaining about missing opportunities then they should have said I want to leave and the club would have said gladly but the players have wanted their full seasons pay, so until that is signed off on they can't go anywhere.

So what to do with players who have been told they aren't needed but the lawyers haven't signed off on anything? In big business you get the tap and the march out the door immediately (no time to take your porn off the computer or get your photos or emails that use the work computer for).
If you continue to let them train with the squad what stops them from injuring direct opposition for there position, therefore ensuring they are needed as players are now injured etc. While unprofessional not unrealistic.
Or as FO stated they may give lip to the coach, bitch about other players etc.
While they might do the right thing and act professionally they are still treated with fear as in big business.
So why not just tell them to stay home? Well what if the deal doesn't go through or there is an injury or in this case we don't get other targets in the transfer window and they stay at the club for the rest of the season.

While not a nice thing it's just the way it is and shouldn't be seen as a slant on PO or the club IMO

Also we need to change our attitudes, we have been dire for years and a clean out is necessary and while the people might be nice they just don't cut it and we are last two years runNing, so if you can't make our team I'm sorry you are not good enough
 
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Big Al

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As for Roy, love him speaks honestly.

To me it's sounds like get my a better team and I'll happily stay, keep this tight arse junior squad and I'm out.

Shaun's reaction said it all really, the pressures on or not going as smoothly as they'd like.
 

Holy

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Reading between the lines, I think Roy says it all when he fails to mention the cousins being part of the senior leadership group. I would of thought they would of been an integral part of that. So, sounds like they are gone.
Just hope whoever we are targeting fits into the experienced spine we need and Roy is looking for. He just sounds so happy here, I'd kinda be surprised if he didn't stay.
 

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