FFC Mariner
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100% correct - they would burn it down rather then let us have it
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Insertnamehere
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FMD, the coast is NEVER getting an NRL team. Perth, Bris 2 and NZ 2 are all ahead.
style_cafe
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The administrator will make the decision, and seeing he’s only been there a few weeks he probably needs 6 weeks to research it. To be honest though $4m for 30 years seems low. I would think $4m for 10yrs would be ok for ratepayers… 
pjennings
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On the face of it yes - especially if that is the end of it. But what comes with it. If there is a commitment to upgrade the asset and open the precinct up then that has to be considered. Whatever they offer it is good for the ratepayers because they are losing money on the Stadium at the moment.The administrator will make the decision, and seeing he’s only been there a few weeks he probably needs 6 weeks to research it. To be honest though $4m for 30 years seems low. I would think $4m for 10yrs would be ok for ratepayers…
Avoca
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The council is completely broke. We’re talking millions in debt. Plus, the internal investigation might take years to resolve. It’s serious stuff, alleging dodgy deals & mishandling of funds.
Hypothetically, if I’m a potential buyer, looking to purchase the Mariners, I’d be concerned about dealing with the local politicians. I’d want a guarantee that my investment would be secure.
The perception of value circling our club lies around the stadium, as the land could be redeveloped to hold a hotel, more shops, etc.
That’s ok, but the fans want an iron-clad promise that the pitch, field, green, whatever... Won’t be dug-up. We want our club in Gosford.
It then becomes a juggling act, as the developers (owners), have to appease the council & the fans.
Hypothetically, if I’m a potential buyer, looking to purchase the Mariners, I’d be concerned about dealing with the local politicians. I’d want a guarantee that my investment would be secure.
The perception of value circling our club lies around the stadium, as the land could be redeveloped to hold a hotel, more shops, etc.
That’s ok, but the fans want an iron-clad promise that the pitch, field, green, whatever... Won’t be dug-up. We want our club in Gosford.
It then becomes a juggling act, as the developers (owners), have to appease the council & the fans.
Corsair
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FFS, delayed, this has been going on for years.
It's really straightforward, the whole community wants the team in the stadium. Hand over the rights for 10 years or even make it 5 years with an option for another 5, so the owner can sell, we can get all the fans back that think he's an undesirable owner and get the club back on the up.
Everyone knows as soon as he sells and a bit more money gets injected they'll be a hoard of locals ready to come back. We used to get 10-12 thousand regularly and that was before all the population growth in the area.
Whoever gets the stadium can easily make it far more profitable overnight with any number of initiatives. Red tape bullshit "process" is so frustrating.
It's really straightforward, the whole community wants the team in the stadium. Hand over the rights for 10 years or even make it 5 years with an option for another 5, so the owner can sell, we can get all the fans back that think he's an undesirable owner and get the club back on the up.
Everyone knows as soon as he sells and a bit more money gets injected they'll be a hoard of locals ready to come back. We used to get 10-12 thousand regularly and that was before all the population growth in the area.
Whoever gets the stadium can easily make it far more profitable overnight with any number of initiatives. Red tape bullshit "process" is so frustrating.
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His job is to cut costs. That is the win for the rate payer.The administrator will make the decision, and seeing he’s only been there a few weeks he probably needs 6 weeks to research it. To be honest though $4m for 30 years seems low. I would think $4m for 10yrs would be ok for ratepayers…
Any cheaper deal helps the Mariners
scoober
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Really that is a good deal for council. $4mil banked, plus the saving of at least $1mil a year over 30 years is really a $34mil deal.....The administrator will make the decision, and seeing he’s only been there a few weeks he probably needs 6 weeks to research it. To be honest though $4m for 30 years seems low. I would think $4m for 10yrs would be ok for ratepayers…
style_cafe
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Where did you get the $1m a year saving from?
Did you just snap a figure?
Seriously though in 30 years time we`ll all be earning a $1m a year...
scoober
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It costs the council over $1million a year to run and maintain the stadium. If they don’t manage the stadium, that’s $1mil savedWhere did you get the $1m a year saving from?
Did you just snap a figure?
Seriously though in 30 years time we`ll all be earning a $1m a year...
I would concur that my understanding is that council was losing between $600k and $1.2m a year operating the stadium.
That may however have been offset in recent years with the Warriors basing themselves at CCS.
scottmac
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Knock me over with a feather. Council wanting to submit an in-house tender to obtain management rights of central coast stadium at a cost of 22k. ? I've copied the article.
Richard Noone
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August 9, 2021 - 2:48PM
That is the upshot of an amendment to go before Administrator Rik Hart at tomorrow night’s council meeting, which recommends staff be given the chance to submit a tender.
The amendment to the procurement process for finding a management rights provider states there is $22,200 available in the 2021/2022 stadium budget to complete the in-house tender.
The amendment also requests the tender window be extended by an additional four weeks to allow staff to complete the tender submission.
Central Coast Council resumed the management rights to the stadium in 2014 and according to the Stadium Implementation Plan, which was adopted by council in March, it has been haemorrhaging between $841,000 to $1.4 million in operating losses each year.
The plan, which outlines a number of strategies to improve the stadium precinct, states the further ongoing capital expenditure requirements are estimated at more than $1 million a year.
The Stadium hosted 27 events in 2017/18 and 21 events in 2018/19, including 13 home A-League Mariners games and at least two other major events in each year.
Covid is preventing any chance of crowds returning to Central Coast Stadium any time soon but in the meantime council is looking for someone to take over the management rights.
Under its new implementation plan council wants to increase that to about 40 events a year and free itself of the majority of operating losses by off-loading the management rights.
“Over this time, the stadium’s experienced venue management team has built a reputation for dedication to working with and supporting hirers,” the report to tomorrow night’s council meeting states.
The stadium’s venue management team has a proven track record of delivering events, while the stadium is a valuable community asset, delivering significant economic benefits to the region and acting as a focal point for community pride and sense of place within the Central Coast.
“In consultation with the United Services Union (USU) and the stadium’s venue
management team, council recognised the potential for the venue team to submit an in-house tender under the NSW Local Government (State) Award 2020 Clause 41 (iii) (f).”
The Mariner's proposal to activate the southern end of the stadium with cafes, licensed restaurants, shops and a catering school were shelved by council staff. Picture: supplied
Once the management rights have been granted, council will open expressions of interest to find a naming rights sponsor.
It comes almost a year to the day after Mariners boss Shaun Mielekamp revealed the A-League club had submitted an unsolicited proposal for management rights to the stadium.
However he said at the time the plans never made it before elected councillors because staff deemed the Mariners’ proposal not “unique enough”.
It is anticipated the Mariners will bid for the management rights this time round.
The Mariners were contacted for a response
Council staff launch management bid for Central Coast Stadium
Council staff are expected to get the green light to bid for the management rights to Central Coast Stadium with the tender window also likely to be extended.
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August 9, 2021 - 2:48PM
| Central Coast Council staff responsible for managing the region’s only Tier 2 stadium believe they’ve done such a good job they should be able to throw their hat in the ring to bid for the management rights. |
The amendment to the procurement process for finding a management rights provider states there is $22,200 available in the 2021/2022 stadium budget to complete the in-house tender.
The amendment also requests the tender window be extended by an additional four weeks to allow staff to complete the tender submission.
Central Coast Council resumed the management rights to the stadium in 2014 and according to the Stadium Implementation Plan, which was adopted by council in March, it has been haemorrhaging between $841,000 to $1.4 million in operating losses each year.
The plan, which outlines a number of strategies to improve the stadium precinct, states the further ongoing capital expenditure requirements are estimated at more than $1 million a year.
The Stadium hosted 27 events in 2017/18 and 21 events in 2018/19, including 13 home A-League Mariners games and at least two other major events in each year.
Covid is preventing any chance of crowds returning to Central Coast Stadium any time soon but in the meantime council is looking for someone to take over the management rights.
Under its new implementation plan council wants to increase that to about 40 events a year and free itself of the majority of operating losses by off-loading the management rights.
“Over this time, the stadium’s experienced venue management team has built a reputation for dedication to working with and supporting hirers,” the report to tomorrow night’s council meeting states.
The stadium’s venue management team has a proven track record of delivering events, while the stadium is a valuable community asset, delivering significant economic benefits to the region and acting as a focal point for community pride and sense of place within the Central Coast.
“In consultation with the United Services Union (USU) and the stadium’s venue
management team, council recognised the potential for the venue team to submit an in-house tender under the NSW Local Government (State) Award 2020 Clause 41 (iii) (f).”
The Mariner's proposal to activate the southern end of the stadium with cafes, licensed restaurants, shops and a catering school were shelved by council staff. Picture: supplied
Once the management rights have been granted, council will open expressions of interest to find a naming rights sponsor.
It comes almost a year to the day after Mariners boss Shaun Mielekamp revealed the A-League club had submitted an unsolicited proposal for management rights to the stadium.
However he said at the time the plans never made it before elected councillors because staff deemed the Mariners’ proposal not “unique enough”.
It is anticipated the Mariners will bid for the management rights this time round.
The Mariners were contacted for a response
Insertnamehere
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Such an excellent job the council have done. Stellar. Great job Angus.
Unbelievable. Hopefully the administrator tells them to bugger off.
edit: I also wonder if these same staff have access to the submissions so far (if any). If so it’s not exactly a fair process.
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style_cafe
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After reading that I think the whole Management rights process should be done independently.
I don`t trust the process being done fairly in-house.
Imagine tendering on a job when one of your competitors is actually administering the tender process...
I don`t trust the process being done fairly in-house.
Imagine tendering on a job when one of your competitors is actually administering the tender process...
At least in that situation you should know what you’re getting yourself into and there should be a process that keeps the bids separate until considered. This is a whole other level with an 11th hour bid and request to extend the window to accommodate it.After reading that I think the whole Management rights process should be done independently.
I don`t trust the process being done fairly in-house.
Imagine tendering on a job when one of your competitors is actually administering the tender process...
On a different line of thinking the stadium is bleeding money - that much is clear. The council has serious financial issues too which are likely to prevent significant investment. So what’s going to change to make this a good idea for rate payers? COVID is here for the short term at least, the economy is suffering, what’s the catalyst for thinking the council should continue to run the ground?
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