CCM - The good, the bad and the ugly... PRESS

[nebakke]

Apologies, I don't fully get twitter, is this Gatt or the other dude saying CCM will die soon enough?

1. Andrew K ‏@andrew1116 17h17 hours ago
2. @Gatty54 What if clubs like CCM will never be viable?
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4. Ray Gatt
5. Verified account ‏@Gatty54 16h16 hours ago

@andrew1116 they'll die soon enough



12:45 AM - 16 Aug 2016

It's Andrew arguing for immediate pro/rele in the league and Gatt saying that it shouldn't be on the table until all clubs are viable.
Andrew then asked "what if clubs like CCM will never be viable" and Gatt responded "(then) they'll die soon enough"....

I don't think he is suggesting that CCM is going to die, I think he's answering the hypothetical question of what happens if there are clubs that will never be viable. I took the mention of CCM to be an attempt at baiting him a bit, knowing that Gatt follows our team... For all of the clubs on-field trouble, we seem to be on a fairly steady course to viability, so if you really wanted to discuss the viability of clubs in the A-league, I'd say you'd be better off starting somewhere like Brisbane or Newcastle

 

[Luca Brasi]

Thanks for the explanation

 

[Luca Brasi]

Background to the Marth article, Melbourne Knights pushing the promotion/relegation barrow for NPL clubs

How the FFA Cup stirs more than memory lane at Melbourne Knights (excerpt)
By
Sebastian Hassett
TWG - http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2016/08/11/how-ffa-cup-stirs-more-memory-lane-melbourne-knights
11 Aug 2016 - 9:38 PM UPDATED 11 Aug 2016 - 9:38 PM

"But it’s hard, mate. We want more nights like this but we’ve got this artificial ceiling in the NPL. We’re not allowed to aspire to be any better than that and for a lot of people, if there’s no chance at getting into a higher league, what’s the point?"

"If we were just allowed to compete for promotion - even to just get into a second division - it would be like this all the time. The community would come back together. Local people would come and watch us. But there’s no incentive. We need to be allowed to compete."

 

[nebakke]

"But it’s hard, mate. We want more nights like this but we’ve got this artificial ceiling in the NPL. We’re not allowed to aspire to be any better than that and for a lot of people, if there’s no chance at getting into a higher league, what’s the point?"

"If we were just allowed to compete for promotion - even to just get into a second division - it would be like this all the time. The community would come back together. Local people would come and watch us. But there’s no incentive. We need to be allowed to compete."

I mean, much as I think Gatty's probably right, about waiting, there are heaps of good arguments for wanting promo/rele etc... The ones presented here are ridiculous though...
If that's the reasoning, they're always going to have this issue... Hell, you could use the same line of argumentation to defend out paltry performance last year - "Really, we have a sort of ceiling in the A-league, we're not able to aspire to be any better than that and for a lot of people, if there's no chance at getting into a higher league, what's the point?".

He's dreaming if he genuinely thinks is that all it would take for them to start drawing bigger crowds is promo/rele...
However, drop three more games this season and he might get to feel what it's like to be facing relegation anyway - see if that changes their attendance.

 

[dibo]

So he stopped tweeting about greyhound racing to tweet absolute garbage?

 

[dibo]

I've just ranted on twitter, but my account's protected, so I'll share the gist here (repurposed from an earlier rant of mine on here).

I'm so sick of the promotion and relegation talk about the, and not just from a CCM fans' view.

Promotion and relegation is a neat idea, with certain preconditions.

There needs to be a second tier to which a top-tier club can be relegated and not immediately collapse.

Second tier clubs need to be big enough to simply scale up to top-tier standard rather than build from scratch.
The playing standard must be high enough that players at relegated clubs won't all immediately leave and players at promoted clubs need to be able to compete.

Standard player contracts need to be written so that clubs can transfer players in and out effectively.

Not all players will cross the divide and clubs can't be freezing players out to get them to quit!

There need to be transition provisions that cover changes in minimum wages and salary caps between divisions.

And there needs to be enough attention that someone out there wants to watch it, so a broadcaster might kick in some cash to fund the damn thing.

Basically, we're looking at a mini A-League, with onerous minimum criteria need to be set on facilities, structure of business (including key personnel), technical standards, finances (including minimum capital requirements), and the list would go on...

And we've got to get at least 8, probably 10, clubs up to speed and a new league for them to play in.

For people who fancy they might be one of the 8-10 clubs, or people who fancy they know who the 8-10 clubs might be and prefer them to the likes of the Mariners, or even just people who go "they do it everywhere else", it might seem a nice solution. But we are a very long way away from getting that up.

If we wanted to 'bridge' the gap between the national and state leagues right now, the fastest way is to drop the standard of the national league.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I would love a 2nd division... the pain, drama and excitement of promotion and relegation would add a lot to the league I think. But A) what Dibo said, B) You would have to renegotiate with all your licensees - buy Brisbane roar, but you may get dropped to a league with almost zero exposure and commercial opportunities that may well destroy your club next year is a quite a different proposition.

Build a serious second division first, then, only when it's successful in its own right should promo relegation be brought in. At the moment these guys are whinging about CCM who has outworked EVERY other club in the league in terms of community engagement, branding, development programs and the future expansion of infrastructure (and even in performance until only a short while ago) But now our first spoon means we don't deserve to be in the HAL. f**k off. And beating us on the field when we're in a slump is a long way from having the acumen, infrastructure and financial support to be a successful HAL club.

That said, couldn't hurt the FFA to expand on it's manifesto now and begin outlining the process for how they will bring in the second division so that the NPL teams can see the light on the horizon a bit clearer and start making their plans and partnerships to build towards it.

 

[Manny_ccm]

Got to love the sense of entitlement from these clubs who screwed the NSL

 

[Rowdy]

Create a truly National NPL League and pretend to re-start the A-League all over again.

• Set number of teams from each State
• Salary Cap with policing
• Same squad size of 26
• Limit of 2 foreign players
• MUST be televised

Etc , etc

Let it run for 10 years to see which clubs succeed & fail, at the end of it you'll hopefully have enough teams for essentially what would be the A2-League.

Edit: With the 10 years that have already passed of the A-League, the FFA have a good blue-print of what worked and what went wrong, to replicate again with a greater likelihood of success the second time around.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

TAVARES: BORN TO PLAY FOOTBALL
By Jayden Collins Aug 19 2016 2:22PM
Recently signed Mariners midfielder Mickael Tavares has had football in his blood since birth, as he reveals the drive his footballing father instilled in him.

His father, Tony Tavares enjoyed a footballing career in Senegal, which included stints with Senegalese top division teams ASC Diaraf and ASC Police where he was nicknamed “Zagallo”, before deciding to move to France and start a family.

“My father was a football player before, in Senegal, but he left Senegal to come to France to have a better life,” Mickael Tavares told the Central Coast Mariners official website.

“When he moved he didn’t have all the support to keep doing this, so he had to work and then he built his family.”

Tavares attributes his own passion for football to his father.

“It was my dreams and my parent's dream,” the former Sydney FC player said.

“[My father] always pushed me since day one to become a football player and I’m pretty proud.

“I think that was my goal since day one. I knew I wanted to do this.”

Since beginning his career in France, Mickael has gone on to play for sides in Europe such Hamburger SV and Middlesbrough before signing for Sydney FC last season.

Mickael believes that his experience will only aid the Mariners in the coming season.

“I know that I travel a lot, but I hope I’m going to bring my experience,” Tavares said.

“Everywhere I went I took a little bit from every country and I often try to combine everything and help the young players to level up.

“The team is very young, and I think my role, and Jacques and Monty, is to lead the youngest players and give them the chance to achieve their goals.”

Having earned 25 caps for the Senegalese national team, Tavares highlights the importance of his father in shaping not only his career but also his own character.

“I know he wanted to be a football player. He always pushed me. He was someone who was very quiet, so I think I’m a little bit like him, but very honest,” he said.

“When he had something to say, he would not talk a lot, but he will say it, whether you like it or not, he will tell you what he thinks.

“I think he is the most important in my life.”

 

[Wombat]

Be nice if he got some game time.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I think it's a pretty good bet that there's a lot of work going into getting him in top nick.

 

[Rowdy]

He's 'talking the talk' but when it comes to the professionalism that he talks about and applies it to maintaining his fitness over the off-season
......... he obviously isnt 'walking the walk'.

Dissapointing from a ' Pro.' that was signed very early on by us, knowing he'd have gig next season.

 

[Luca Brasi]

We still have 6 weeks of pre season to go. Both Tav and Faty looked fit (not carry any off season weight) when I saw them at the members function the day after they arrived but there is a big difference between that and match fitness. I want them fit and resilient for the start of the season and the next 27 rounds.

 

[Rowdy]

Yeah, I'm talking match fitness not waistlines.

How is it that a Montgomery can go the full 90 mins in a pre-season game and a Tavares/ Faty CAN'T ???

All 3 started 'back at work' on the same day.

That's what I was alluding too. As a player you want to be getting through as many 90 min games as possible, so come Rnd1 it's NOT a chore ........ not a lot of pre-season games now with being ko'd outta the FFA Cup.

 

[priorpeter]

Tavares didn't travel to Tamworth due to illness. Has featured in other preseason matches and looked good.
Faty seemed a little underdone earlier on in preseason but looks like he's worked hard the last few weeks and is very nearly there. Played most of the match in Tamworth, did put in a very good shift, and one would imagine he'll be very much ready to go come Rd 1.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Cheers PP, that's good to hear.

 

[style_cafe]

I`m still not convinced that playing the first team for half a game then playing the kids & trialists in the second half is a good thing.
For mine I want to put as many km`s of game time fitness into my top players prior to the start of the season.
Winning the early games in the competition builds momentum & confidence.

Trial players & give the kids a go against different opposition on another day.

 

[Rowdy]

I`m still not convinced that playing the first team for half a game then playing the kids & trialists in the second half is a good thing.

For mine I want to put as many km`s of game time fitness into my top players prior to the start of the season.

This is exactly what I was alluding to in earlier posts about Faty and Tav's fitness coming into camp, taking into consideration their relatively 'early signing' announcement.

 

[midfielder]

http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/young-mariner-extends-deal-435147
Staff writer 442
26/08/16
Teen sensation Adam Berry has signed a contract extension that will see him remain a Central Coast Mariner until at least the end of the A-League 2018/19 season.
Berry has impressed during pre-season and confirmed his future with the Mariners after signing his maiden professional contract with the club in May this year.

Making his starting debut in the club’s Westfield FFA Cup Round of 32 clash in the heart of midfield, the young gun has earned a reputation for his calm head in possession and relentless work ethic on the training track.

In 2013 as a 16-year-old, Berry signed a two-year-deal with Leeds United Academy before making his debut for the Australian Under 20s national team against the U.S.A. at Central Coast Stadium in May 2015.

As a National Youth League player last season, Berry made his A-League debut off the bench in round 20 against Melbourne City and is proud to cement his future with the Central Coast Mariners.

“I’m over the moon to extend my contract with the Central Coast Mariners,” Berry said. “I can’t wait for the season and hopefully win as many games as possible.

“I’m loving pre-season, we have had a few hit outs against the likes of the Jets in Tamworth and to start to become more of a part of that has been great, so I’m looking to keep working hard and push myself to be there when the season starts.

Berry credited the tutelage of Mariners’ skipper Nick Montgomery and assistant coach John Hutchinson for his development this pre-season.

“Monty is great, I always talk with him and he always has time to catch up over a coffee so he gives me a lot of advice both on and off the pitch,” Berry said.

“Hutch has been great for me, he is hard on me at times but I know it’s always within my best interest and I love learning from someone who has played as many games as he has, he has done a fantastic job this pre-season,” Berry said.

Berry is looking forward to wearing the Mariners kit for at least the next three years and spoke about the importance of feeling comfortable on the Central Coast.

“You always love to have that security and to play in the A-League is something that I’ve always wanted to do, so to be here now with a longer term contract helps a lot but I also don’t want to get complacent, I need to keep working hard to try and win as many games as possible with the Central Coast Mariners,’ he said.

“That’s the goal of everyone here, we’ve got a great group and you can see with the new boys that have come in that they’re here for the right reason.”