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Australia's bid for the 2018 or 2022 World Cup

Jorome Alexander Bennett

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Jesus said:
We will host the asian cup long after the decision has been made

Yeah. I don't know why but I was thinking that Australia would host 2011 even that would still be too late.....

        The problems that Arab raise are difficult to overcome. How high does FIFA value having the WC in a good timezone for Asia? Although there is a high population, it isn't a population overflowing with disposable income. So even some of the points for are only good on paper.
        I was being jokingly over optimistic. But what I am doing these days is at least entertaining the idea. I can see it happening and it's not as much of a longshot as I had previously thought. Hard work for those in charge, but achievable.
 

tuftman

Well-Known Member
Jorome Alexander Bennett said:
Jesus said:
We will host the asian cup long after the decision has been made

Yeah. I don't know why but I was thinking that Australia would host 2011 even that would still be too late.....

        The problems that Arab raise are difficult to overcome. How high does FIFA value having the WC in a good timezone for Asia? Although there is a high population, it isn't a population overflowing with disposable income. So even some of the points for are only good on paper.
        I was being jokingly over optimistic. But what I am doing these days is at least entertaining the idea. I can see it happening and it's not as much of a longshot as I had previously thought. Hard work for those in charge, but achievable.

Good post

I think FIFA views the Asian region with ever growing importance. Obviously Japan hosts the CWC, and co-hosted 2002. But the region itself is growing economically, and in terms of footballing power. FIFA hopefully see this as something they want to grasp and make full use of, so AFC bids for the world cup HOPEFULLY will be viewed favourably by FIFA
 

midfielder

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Article says US are favorites in 2022.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/obama-writes-fifa-in-support-of-us-world-cup-bid/2009/04/15/1239474911633.html

Obama writes FIFA in support of US World Cup bid

April 15, 2009 - 10:22AM


US President Barack Obama has thrown his weight behind America's bid to host the World Cup in 2018 or 2022 by writing a letter to FIFA president Sepp Blatter.
 

Jorome Alexander Bennett

Well-Known Member
  We can't get our head of state, the Queen, to write on our behalf because she plays favourites with the member nations of her Commonwealth. Josep Blatter would hardly be swayed by a perfectly persuasive and effusive petition written by Quentin Bryce.
  The President of the Peoples' Republic of Nova Hollandia would at least seem to have some clout. Just one of many reasons Australia should become a republic.
 

Jesus

Jesus
midfielder said:
Article says US are favorites in 2022.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/obama-writes-fifa-in-support-of-us-world-cup-bid/2009/04/15/1239474911633.html

Obama writes FIFA in support of US World Cup bid

April 15, 2009 - 10:22AM


US President Barack Obama has thrown his weight behind America's bid to host the World Cup in 2018 or 2022 by writing a letter to FIFA president Sepp Blatter.

They are our major competitor for 2022. Our best hope is that the brasil world cup counts a bit against them and asia bounces out of economic trouble quickly.

Indonesia are not a good enough football nation to push for it i think, despite having the stadiums, they may lack other infrastructure required as well.

Qatar is a joke.

Japan and korea have surely hosted it too recently.

As with Mexico, and i think if it goes to nth america it will go to the states.

That said if we host it, USA would be shoe ins for 2026. And asia should be shoe ins for 2026 if 2022 goes to nth america
 

Omni

Well-Known Member
2022 in USA or Australia doesn't bother me either way I'm going!

In honesty I think the USA have a stronger bid than Australia, but it'd be great if Australia get it.
 

dibo

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Obviously I haven't seen the bid docs either - they're not even going to be finalised until later this year - in my opinion the only things that could hold the US back from being ahead of us are:

1. They held the World Cup in 1994 - a dour and uninspiring tournament with matches played in ridiculous heat (Noon kickoffs? In June? In uncovered stadiums in Orlando, Palo Alto and Dallas?).

2. We've got Frank Lowy. They've got Chuck Blazer, but we'll see who can do the best work with brown paper bags.

3. We've got Asian media timeslots more easily covered - most of an American World Cup would be played in the middle of the night (Chinese time).



That's about it.


Their national league is bigger and in world terms is more important, and expanding faster than ours.

For the sheer number of cities with massive nearly new stadiums that are football suitable, have heaps of corporate facilities and good infrastructure, they're miles ahead. They're adding to this list year by year, such that by 2022 places like Soldier Field (itself refurbished extensively and expensively - cost of $600m and capacity of 61,500) for the Chicago Bears in will either need work or will be seen as too small and primitive.

Their media market is enormous, it's becoming more football savvy, and it's in a pretty reasonable timeslot for Europe and the Americas.

They've got Obamamania on their side - and with it a USA that's turning its eyes to the world for the first time since... well, since slick Willy was in the White House.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Obie One is doing a good job ... I acn only dream of a WC in Australia imagine if it happened.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/lowy-pins-down-chiefs-to-push-australias-world-cup-cause/2009/05/09/1241727667351.html

AUSTRALIA'S football chief Frank Lowy was spruiking Australia's credentials as a worthy World Cup host to the game's most influential figures during a break in the Asian Football Confederation Congress yesterday............
 

Auburn Mariner

Well-Known Member
dibo said:
Obviously I haven't seen the bid docs either - they're not even going to be finalised until later this year - in my opinion the only things that could hold the US back from being ahead of us are:

1. They held the World Cup in 1994 - a dour and uninspiring tournament with matches played in ridiculous heat (Noon kickoffs? In June? In uncovered stadiums in Orlando, Palo Alto and Dallas?).

2. We've got Frank Lowy. They've got Chuck Blazer, but we'll see who can do the best work with brown paper bags.

3. We've got Asian media timeslots more easily covered - most of an American World Cup would be played in the middle of the night (Chinese time).



That's about it.


Their national league is bigger and in world terms is more important, and expanding faster than ours.

For the sheer number of cities with massive nearly new stadiums that are football suitable, have heaps of corporate facilities and good infrastructure, they're miles ahead. They're adding to this list year by year, such that by 2022 places like Soldier Field (itself refurbished extensively and expensively - cost of $600m and capacity of 61,500) for the Chicago Bears in will either need work or will be seen as too small and primitive.

Their media market is enormous, it's becoming more football savvy, and it's in a pretty reasonable timeslot for Europe and the Americas.

They've got Obamamania on their side - and with it a USA that's turning its eyes to the world for the first time since... well, since slick Willy was in the White House.

To go back to 1994, Aaron:

*Palo Alto is the home ground of Stanford. Holds 103,000 people. Hosted a Superbowl in the 1990's.
*Orlando - a swamp, hot as Darwin in the wet
*Dallas - like playing in Dubbo or Wagga in the middle of January. New Cowboys Stadium is quite simply magnificent, though (FieldTurf surface)
*Soldier Field may not get a look in, although Chicago's agreeable summer climate may help.

Assuming that ALL fields will have Natural Grass, and I may have to get Dibo or Paolo to verify if these grounds are FIFA-acceptable, you would think that the following grounds would be in the mix should the USA bid soon:

1. Reliant Stadium, Houston, Texas - natural grass, retractable roof, Darwin climate in summer
2. QWest Field, Seattle, Washington - FieldTurf, home of the Sounders, mild climate
3. The as-yet finished New Meadowlands, East Rutherford, New Jersey
4. Ford Field in Detroit, Michigan (indoors)
5. LucasOil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana (retractable roof)
6. The Rose Bowl in Los Angeles, California
7. The HUGE Fedex Field, Landover, Maryland
8. The University of Phoenix Stadium (retractable roof)
9. Invesco Field at Mile High, Denver, Colorado
10. I'd throw in the majestic and historic Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin

There's ten to start with. The Louisiana Superdome AND the Georgia Dome would be outdated by then.

Then there are the College Stadiums in places like Penn St, Michigan (ask Eggy about Ann Arbor) and Ohio State, with 315,000 capacity between the three of them.

They have so many options it is scary.

Then we have, right now:

MCG, Docklands, Stadium Australia, Lang Park (with a decent groundsman, pls), Canberra Stadium, Football Park, then it gets ugly.

Rectangular stadia would have to be built in Perth, Adelaide, hell, EVERYWHERE. The SFS would be knocked down as it is due for decommissioning in 2018. You can see what we are up against. One SMALL advantage is that climate would NOT be an issue, except for French West Africans who like 36 degrees and 175% humidity. Canberra in June, at night, yessssssss.

Look, if we see a World Cup here in my lifetime, I would be blissfully happy and extraordinarily surprised. When Barack eviscerates Mitt Romney, Rush Limbaugh or luscious girlfriend Sarah (sigh) for four more years, he will go after a World Cup with gusto. He will probably win.
 

dibo

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the big problem with the american football grounds is that they're big in capacity but the surfaces are too small (not the 125x85m that FIFA prefers) and they've got insufficient cover for spectators.

that said, unarguably they'll have more and bigger grounds, but that won't be the only thing that determines who hosts these gigs.

after all, many of england's grounds' pitches are too small for FIFA's liking, with fences too close to the sidelines to keep players safe and to allow enough security, media and other personnel to have access at ground level without disturbing play and not enough room for players to warm up. the things like dugouts and sightlines will be problematic in many cases too, because the stands are set so low compared to the pitch, so when FIFA puts up 90cm high ad boards all around the ground nobody in the first 10 rows will see anything. they'll still get a world cup, but they'll have to do a fair bit of work.
 

midfielder

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Side issue but if we get the WC AU get a new Stadium.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25467377-5006301,00.html
 

Jesus

Jesus
Auburn Mariner said:
dibo said:
Obviously I haven't seen the bid docs either - they're not even going to be finalised until later this year - in my opinion the only things that could hold the US back from being ahead of us are:

1. They held the World Cup in 1994 - a dour and uninspiring tournament with matches played in ridiculous heat (Noon kickoffs? In June? In uncovered stadiums in Orlando, Palo Alto and Dallas?).

2. We've got Frank Lowy. They've got Chuck Blazer, but we'll see who can do the best work with brown paper bags.

3. We've got Asian media timeslots more easily covered - most of an American World Cup would be played in the middle of the night (Chinese time).



That's about it.


Their national league is bigger and in world terms is more important, and expanding faster than ours.

For the sheer number of cities with massive nearly new stadiums that are football suitable, have heaps of corporate facilities and good infrastructure, they're miles ahead. They're adding to this list year by year, such that by 2022 places like Soldier Field (itself refurbished extensively and expensively - cost of $600m and capacity of 61,500) for the Chicago Bears in will either need work or will be seen as too small and primitive.

Their media market is enormous, it's becoming more football savvy, and it's in a pretty reasonable timeslot for Europe and the Americas.

They've got Obamamania on their side - and with it a USA that's turning its eyes to the world for the first time since... well, since slick Willy was in the White House.

To go back to 1994, Aaron:

*Palo Alto is the home ground of Stanford. Holds 103,000 people. Hosted a Superbowl in the 1990's.
*Orlando - a swamp, hot as Darwin in the wet
*Dallas - like playing in Dubbo or Wagga in the middle of January. New Cowboys Stadium is quite simply magnificent, though (FieldTurf surface)
*Soldier Field may not get a look in, although Chicago's agreeable summer climate may help.

Assuming that ALL fields will have Natural Grass, and I may have to get Dibo or Paolo to verify if these grounds are FIFA-acceptable, you would think that the following grounds would be in the mix should the USA bid soon:

1. Reliant Stadium, Houston, Texas - natural grass, retractable roof, Darwin climate in summer
2. QWest Field, Seattle, Washington - FieldTurf, home of the Sounders, mild climate
3. The as-yet finished New Meadowlands, East Rutherford, New Jersey
4. Ford Field in Detroit, Michigan (indoors)
5. LucasOil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana (retractable roof)
6. The Rose Bowl in Los Angeles, California
7. The HUGE Fedex Field, Landover, Maryland
8. The University of Phoenix Stadium (retractable roof)
9. Invesco Field at Mile High, Denver, Colorado
10. I'd throw in the majestic and historic Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin

There's ten to start with. The Louisiana Superdome AND the Georgia Dome would be outdated by then.

Then there are the College Stadiums in places like Penn St, Michigan (ask Eggy about Ann Arbor) and Ohio State, with 315,000 capacity between the three of them.

They have so many options it is scary.

Then we have, right now:

MCG, Docklands, Stadium Australia, Lang Park (with a decent groundsman, pls), Canberra Stadium, Football Park, then it gets ugly.

Rectangular stadia would have to be built in Perth, Adelaide, hell, EVERYWHERE. The SFS would be knocked down as it is due for decommissioning in 2018. You can see what we are up against. One SMALL advantage is that climate would NOT be an issue, except for French West Africans who like 36 degrees and 175% humidity. Canberra in June, at night, yessssssss.

Docklands wont be used, swan st will.

Adelaide will build a new stadium if we get world cup they announced yesterday.

Buckley was in perth yesterday, as he was in adelaide the day before to get the same assurance.

Which leave us with Stadium australia, mcg, swan, sfs, new adelaide, new perth, suncorp, scumcastle. Which, I believe is technically enough to host a world cup.

Add to that a possible expansion to skilled? not sure if it can be done, and you need 1 more to make it 10. So add canberra, which would need to be upgraded i believe, and you are there.

Tasmania should push to try and get a new rectangular stadium that could be used for a-league post world cup, and give them a chance to get in on the action and have the cup more spread.

Still leaves dairy farmers for upgrade if they want 12.
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
i think we can do the grounds, if we're going to host the thing everyone will get on the train. there's just a bunch of politicking to be done domestically first.

the US is still miles ahead on that count though. it'd be other strategic factors to do with asian exposure that would get us the world cup if anything will.
 

Jesus

Jesus
dibo said:
i think we can do the grounds, if we're going to host the thing everyone will get on the train. there's just a bunch of politicking to be done domestically first.

the US is still miles ahead on that count though. it'd be other strategic factors to do with asian exposure that would get us the world cup if anything will.

If it came purely down to grounds the yanks would host every world cup
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
It's off and running by the sound of things.


http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/soccer/australia-ready-to-dazzle-in-cup-bid/2009/05/29/1243456738006.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

Australia ready to dazzle in cup bid 

Dan Silkstone
May 30, 2009


ON JUNE 12, 1974, Australia played its first match in a World Cup finals tournament, losing 2-0 to East Germany. Then, the Socceroos were thrilled to simply be on such a stage.

How things have changed. On June 14, 2009, 35 years since that debut, Australia will launch its bold bid to host the World Cup with an attention-grabbing spectacle in Canberra.

Some of Australia's 10 rivals have already held launches of their own, the rest will soon follow. This past fortnight the intensity has suddenly lifted in what will be a long and brutal lobbying effort. Many of the biggest names and most recognisable faces in the world are involved.

It was happening behind the scenes at the Champions League final in Rome this week. On the pitch, England's finest, Manchester United, was outdone by Spanish champion Barcelona. Off the pitch an even more valuable prize was in dispute.

When Spanish King Juan Carlos arrived and began lobbying the eight FIFA delegates in town for the match on behalf of his nation's joint World Cup bid with Portugal, those running the English bid responded in kind. The English hurriedly arranged for Prince William to fly in and court the votes of the eight FIFA executive members present.

It is the 24 members of the executive drawn from around the world who will vote next December to award the hosting rights for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.

While eight of the delegates watched in Rome, the other 16 members of the FIFA executive were busy, too. They were in the Bahamas' port of Nassau, attending the annual FIFA congress.

As the crowned heads of Europe jostled for delegates' ears in Rome, Football Federation Australia chairman Frank Lowy was working the numbers and shaking hands in Nassau. Lowy and FFA chief executive Ben Buckley set up a series of one-on-one meetings with the men who run world soccer and they did it with panache.

Not for Australia's bid team the awkward formality of hotel meeting rooms. Lowy had brought along his alternative the 74-metre luxury yacht Ilona, named after his mother and worth a reported $110 million. It was a trip funded out of his own deep pockets and not from the $47 million allocated by the Australian Government to fund the bid.

The lobbying is just beginning but Australia is already showing it will be a canny competitor in the ear-bending game. Among those in the Bahamas was FIFA heavyweight Jack Warner said to control an influential bloc of three votes that could help swing the contest decisively and said by some to be urging the US bid team to cut a deal with European delegates to divide and share the two World Cups at Australia's expense.

Australia has a big-time advocate in Lowy. The US bid has a spruiker too his name is Barack Obama and the president's daughters are keen soccer players. Then there are the Russians. President Vladimir Putin announced earlier this month that hosting the cup would be a national priority and vowed to spend $10 billion on winning and hosting the tournament. If this is a deepest pockets contest, Australia could be in trouble.

And who do the Russians want as the face of their bid? Guus Hiddink. Russian soccer chief Alexei Sorokin announced last week that Hiddink would be targeted as an ambassador. "We feel that his worldwide appeal would greatly enhance our chances to compete with other nations, such as England and Spain," he said.

If that sounds like terrible treachery from the man who led Australia to the second round in Germany, it should be noted that Hiddink coach of the Russian national team and a caretaker at Chelsea is yet to accept. It was Lowy's money, ambition and political clout that brought Hiddink to the Socceroos. Soon they could be direct competitors.

Australia will launch its bid with a high-profile event at Parliament House in Canberra. The full Socceroos squad will be on show, as well as Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and other political leaders. A promotional campaign will be launched, encouraging all Australians to support the bid. It will feature Socceroos as well as regular Australians, playing the world game in iconic locations. In Melbourne these include Collins Street and Flinders Street station.

The English bid is an early front runner but has proved somewhat accident-prone. The launch featuring David Beckham and Prime Minister Gordon Brown was a PR nightmare. A politician from the neo-fascist British National Party attended, sparking outrage from anti-racism campaigners who pointed out the party is opposed to England selecting black players. It also earned England a chiding from the influential, and black, Warner, who described the launch, featuring an all-white array of speakers, as "an error that needs to be corrected".

The parade of celebrity endorsements has begun. Grand Prix rivals Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button were wheeled out this week. Spain and Portugal appointed soccer legends Raul and Luis Figo as ambassadors while the US is banking on Obama.

Others take a different approach. When Qatar launched its bid, organisers promised a "unity bid" that would heal the divisions between the Muslim world and the west and "leave a legacy for humanity."

Is that the sort of change the 24 members of the FIFA executive can believe in? Only time will tell.
 

Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
It's a mass pissing in their pockets session.

And these wankers at FIFA will be lapping it all up.

Septic and his pals will be telling every one they talk to exactly what they want to hear.

:vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit: :vomit:
 

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