bikinigirl
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. rumour is the club were surprised too
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AFC Champions League 2013
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. rumour is the club were surprised too
bikinigirl
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. i'd suggest many that have already bought tickets have no idea about the quality of the opposition ... but they were going to go regardless of who we play
. so i wouldn't be expecting too many 'less interested parties' to be drawn in by guangzhou
12th player
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Do you know what the score was?
bikinigirl
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. i heard duke scored for the socceroos in a 1-0 win, can anyone confirm?
Gratis
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FORMER Central Coast Mariners star Rostyn Griffiths says his former side could not have been handed a tougher test in the Asian Champions League than Guangzhou Evergrande.
Now playing from Evergrande’s local rivals Guangzhou R&F, the midfielder said the reigning Chinese Super League Champions were one of the favourites to win the ACL.
“They are definitely the best side in China by a country mile," he said. “We were beaten 2-0 by them earlier in the season and we were poor but they were really good.
“They are one of the few sides in China with a proper structure, which I think is something that has been implemented by [Marcello] Lippi.
“That is why I am looking forward to the match so much because you have arguably the best structured side in Australia in the Mariners against the best structured side in China.
"It should be very entertaining.”
The 25-year-old said the Mariners would need to be extremely disciplined in defence against an attack that has scored 14 goals in their six ACL matches this campaign.
“Their main power is in attack all of their foreign players are attackers," said Griffiths. “They have players that can score goals from anywhere.
“They try and get the ball forward as quickly as possible they are not really one for keeping the ball around the back like the Mariners do.
“They really want it in the final third where they can let the Brazilians and the South Americans work their magic.”
The 25-year-old said Argentine attacking midfielder Dario Conca, who Evergrande signed in 2011 for over $10 million from Brazilian club Fluminense, was the man who would pose the biggest threat to the Mariners’ hopes of progressing to the quarter finals.
“Everything goes through him," revealed Griffiths. “He floats around the pitch playing as the attacking midfielder and he is very dangerous from set pieces.
“The two holding midfielders for the Mariners will have their work cut out for them keeping him quiet but he is not the only threat.
“On the wing they have Muriqui who is rapid and has scored a lot of goals and the Brazilian Elkeson, their striker, is a great finisher.”
Whilst they should be wary of the attacking threat posed by Evergrande Griffiths said they were not without their weaknesses.
He added: “Their defence is not as good as their attack.
“Despite not playing well against them we still created chances and hit the bar so they are vulnerable.
“All their big name foreigners are attackers and they look a bit suspect at the back and their goal keeper is very hit and miss
“The Mariners just need to make sure they take their chances when they come, especially in the return leg in China.
“That game is going to be the real test, it is a big pitch and if they go and attack Evergrande they could leave themselves exposed and they have so many players that can punish them.”
Despite conceding that his old club faces a huge task to progress past his crosstown rivals, Griffiths said the Mariners were capable of upsetting the Chinese giants.
“I can’t really pick it," he admitted. "My instinct is that Evergrande will probably have too much for them.
"But after the season they have had, the Mariners should be so confident - and if there is any team that could come over to China and hold them, it is going to be the Mariners.
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/270982,it-doesnt-get-any-tougher-in-asia.aspx
Now playing from Evergrande’s local rivals Guangzhou R&F, the midfielder said the reigning Chinese Super League Champions were one of the favourites to win the ACL.
“They are definitely the best side in China by a country mile," he said. “We were beaten 2-0 by them earlier in the season and we were poor but they were really good.
“They are one of the few sides in China with a proper structure, which I think is something that has been implemented by [Marcello] Lippi.
“That is why I am looking forward to the match so much because you have arguably the best structured side in Australia in the Mariners against the best structured side in China.
"It should be very entertaining.”
The 25-year-old said the Mariners would need to be extremely disciplined in defence against an attack that has scored 14 goals in their six ACL matches this campaign.
“Their main power is in attack all of their foreign players are attackers," said Griffiths. “They have players that can score goals from anywhere.
“They try and get the ball forward as quickly as possible they are not really one for keeping the ball around the back like the Mariners do.
“They really want it in the final third where they can let the Brazilians and the South Americans work their magic.”
The 25-year-old said Argentine attacking midfielder Dario Conca, who Evergrande signed in 2011 for over $10 million from Brazilian club Fluminense, was the man who would pose the biggest threat to the Mariners’ hopes of progressing to the quarter finals.
“Everything goes through him," revealed Griffiths. “He floats around the pitch playing as the attacking midfielder and he is very dangerous from set pieces.
“The two holding midfielders for the Mariners will have their work cut out for them keeping him quiet but he is not the only threat.
“On the wing they have Muriqui who is rapid and has scored a lot of goals and the Brazilian Elkeson, their striker, is a great finisher.”
Whilst they should be wary of the attacking threat posed by Evergrande Griffiths said they were not without their weaknesses.
He added: “Their defence is not as good as their attack.
“Despite not playing well against them we still created chances and hit the bar so they are vulnerable.
“All their big name foreigners are attackers and they look a bit suspect at the back and their goal keeper is very hit and miss
“The Mariners just need to make sure they take their chances when they come, especially in the return leg in China.
“That game is going to be the real test, it is a big pitch and if they go and attack Evergrande they could leave themselves exposed and they have so many players that can punish them.”
Despite conceding that his old club faces a huge task to progress past his crosstown rivals, Griffiths said the Mariners were capable of upsetting the Chinese giants.
“I can’t really pick it," he admitted. "My instinct is that Evergrande will probably have too much for them.
"But after the season they have had, the Mariners should be so confident - and if there is any team that could come over to China and hold them, it is going to be the Mariners.
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/270982,it-doesnt-get-any-tougher-in-asia.aspx
Gratis
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and more
"The Cantonese moneybags – let’s be honest, it is a factor – will bring a squad to Australia so jam-packed with talent that it should give Mariners’ fans nightmares.
Everywhere you look there’s a star. From Chinese number one Zeng Cheng in goal to the well-travelled Zheng Zhi bossing the midfield and fan-favourite Gao Lin up front.
Then there’s foreign contingent; Kim Young-Gwon, experienced Muriqui, ex-Borussia Dortmund striker Lucas Barrios and jewel in the crown, Dario Conca.
It’s Conca the Mariners must be wary of, with the Argentine one of the most talented South American players of his generation never to play in Europe.
However, Guangzhou’s star-studded line-up could also prove to be their downfall.
Barrios has made little attempt to fit in, yet the Paraguayan international is likely to start the expense of the dangerous Gao.
Meanwhile, the Chinese side left Brazilian youngster Elkeson out of their ACL squad, and he responded by scoring 13 goals in his first seven Chinese Super League fixtures.
Needless to say, the southern side aren’t exactly short of form, and according to Wild East Football’s Guangzhou expert Ian Fuchs, the Cantonese club are in it to win it, when it comes to the ACL.
“I think club owner Xu Jiayin takes it very seriously indeed,” Fuchs said.
“Guangzhou have won the Chinese Super League in each of the past two seasons and have started this one in exceptional form. He wants continental glory now.”
However there are some cracks in the façade – albeit small – and it’s these that the Mariners must take advantage of.
“Probably the most impressive Chinese player is attacking right-back Zhang Linpeng, who is only 23 but already a national team stalwart,” Fuchs says.
“His main flaw is his temper – he’ll miss the first leg against the Mariners because he got sent off for retaliation in the fifth group game against Urawa.”
And a quick look at the goals conceded during the group stages suggests that defence could be Guangzhou’s Achilles’ heel.
They’ve got Feng Xiaoting and South Korean tough nut Kim Young-Gwon, but the entire back four has looked vulnerable when exposed to pace down the flanks, particularly in the 3-2 away defeat to Urawa Reds.
The goal conceded on the road at Thai side Muangthong United was farcical and when the Guangzhou defenders backed off Kim Jung-Woo on their trip to Jeonju, the wily veteran responded by cracking home a right-footed strike in off the post.
In other words, the Guangzhou defence is far from impregnable and the common denominator in all of those goals is that they were conceded away from home.
The Mariners will almost certainly need to score in Gosford to progress.
They’ll also need to keep Conca better shackled than they did Kashiwa playmaker Leandro Domingues.
Additionally, they’ll need a healthy dose of luck if they are to see off one of the genuine favourites for the title.
But for all the financial disparity between the two sides, this tie will be settled over two legs, like any other.
Graham Arnold would do well to remind his players of that, because there’s a good chance Marcello Lippi may well forget."
http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/05/10/what-the-mariners-must-do-to-beat-guangzhou/
"The Cantonese moneybags – let’s be honest, it is a factor – will bring a squad to Australia so jam-packed with talent that it should give Mariners’ fans nightmares.
Everywhere you look there’s a star. From Chinese number one Zeng Cheng in goal to the well-travelled Zheng Zhi bossing the midfield and fan-favourite Gao Lin up front.
Then there’s foreign contingent; Kim Young-Gwon, experienced Muriqui, ex-Borussia Dortmund striker Lucas Barrios and jewel in the crown, Dario Conca.
It’s Conca the Mariners must be wary of, with the Argentine one of the most talented South American players of his generation never to play in Europe.
However, Guangzhou’s star-studded line-up could also prove to be their downfall.
Barrios has made little attempt to fit in, yet the Paraguayan international is likely to start the expense of the dangerous Gao.
Meanwhile, the Chinese side left Brazilian youngster Elkeson out of their ACL squad, and he responded by scoring 13 goals in his first seven Chinese Super League fixtures.
Needless to say, the southern side aren’t exactly short of form, and according to Wild East Football’s Guangzhou expert Ian Fuchs, the Cantonese club are in it to win it, when it comes to the ACL.
“I think club owner Xu Jiayin takes it very seriously indeed,” Fuchs said.
“Guangzhou have won the Chinese Super League in each of the past two seasons and have started this one in exceptional form. He wants continental glory now.”
However there are some cracks in the façade – albeit small – and it’s these that the Mariners must take advantage of.
“Probably the most impressive Chinese player is attacking right-back Zhang Linpeng, who is only 23 but already a national team stalwart,” Fuchs says.
“His main flaw is his temper – he’ll miss the first leg against the Mariners because he got sent off for retaliation in the fifth group game against Urawa.”
And a quick look at the goals conceded during the group stages suggests that defence could be Guangzhou’s Achilles’ heel.
They’ve got Feng Xiaoting and South Korean tough nut Kim Young-Gwon, but the entire back four has looked vulnerable when exposed to pace down the flanks, particularly in the 3-2 away defeat to Urawa Reds.
The goal conceded on the road at Thai side Muangthong United was farcical and when the Guangzhou defenders backed off Kim Jung-Woo on their trip to Jeonju, the wily veteran responded by cracking home a right-footed strike in off the post.
In other words, the Guangzhou defence is far from impregnable and the common denominator in all of those goals is that they were conceded away from home.
The Mariners will almost certainly need to score in Gosford to progress.
They’ll also need to keep Conca better shackled than they did Kashiwa playmaker Leandro Domingues.
Additionally, they’ll need a healthy dose of luck if they are to see off one of the genuine favourites for the title.
But for all the financial disparity between the two sides, this tie will be settled over two legs, like any other.
Graham Arnold would do well to remind his players of that, because there’s a good chance Marcello Lippi may well forget."
http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/05/10/what-the-mariners-must-do-to-beat-guangzhou/
Love it - The underdog tag is being pumped nice & hard - Aussies love being the under dog -
What about moving Trent into a holding defensive midfield role where his defensive assignment is to be all over Conca like the local footy team over a pretty girl in a short skirt. Then put Anderson (I think it is him I'm thinking of) in to the defence. Trent has a great passing game wouldn't go astray just a little higher up the pitch
What about moving Trent into a holding defensive midfield role where his defensive assignment is to be all over Conca like the local footy team over a pretty girl in a short skirt. Then put Anderson (I think it is him I'm thinking of) in to the defence. Trent has a great passing game wouldn't go astray just a little higher up the pitch
midfielder
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I think Trent would handle the DM role very well .... but he is at the moment IMO the best CB in the country so a big call to move em...
bikinigirl
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. agree, we'd probably lose more than we gain
. there is no reason we shouldn't entrust the club's hardmen (hutch & monty) to keep the glamour boys ... umm ... distracted. they just need to keep their heads
midfielder
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The Cantonese Moneybags V Central Coast Poor House
midfielder
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Roar article on what we need to do to beat the Moneybags..
http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/05/10/what-the-mariners-must-do-to-beat-guangzhou/
http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/05/10/what-the-mariners-must-do-to-beat-guangzhou/
true believer
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i don't get this either .we have the best DM in the A league with monty . conca will
be an even taster bone in his mouth than milligan. strikers win games defenders win
championships. can't wait.
ballantyne
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I wonder if anyone can help me with a good venue to watch the second leg in inner Sydney? I rehearse in a band til 21:30 on Wednesdays and ko is 22:00, so I was hoping to take some of my bandmates to watch it with a beer or 3. We rehearse in Waterloo.
true believer
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casino if you don't mind paying 9 bucks a beer
sydmariner
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are
are they opening both sides of the ground 4 the game
rbakersmith
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Some times you have to take risks when you are up against it - No one has a better read of the play & cuts off passes better. Basically get him to cut off their quarter back - Dare to be different (they won't scout that).
Especially when you have quality back up to slot in.
scottmac
Suspended
I'm sorry but taking out your defensive midfielder who has premier league experience, for your one season wonder (as much as I love him, he's only been great for one season) 21 yr old, to play against some of the best players you've ever come up against just doesn't seem right.
Monty will do the job like he has all year. Without Monty in front (just like Rostyn last year) our defence would not be as good as it has been.
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