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A-League Expansion
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Tassiemariner
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Yep had a little article on the back page of the paper.
Tasmanian Football Taskforce has been set up and are already holding meetings with various former players, businessmen and FFT.
Tasmanian Football Taskforce has been set up and are already holding meetings with various former players, businessmen and FFT.
marinersman
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Are there any ex-Socceroo Tasmanians?
Not trying to be smart, just wondering.
Not trying to be smart, just wondering.
northernspirit
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doubt it, tassie is an afl stronghold
midfielder
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Jesus said:
Thing I keep asking and nobody seems to have an answer is when we do expand does this mean more Fox money or the same.
These are whay could happen,
The extra game or games about more the existing four could go free to air with payement to either Fox, FFA or a combined fee.
The extra games or games could be broadcast on Fox with agreed payment already in the contract based on TV ratings number of matches etc.
Four games only broadcast with no free to air.
Envoke a new contract deal.
Does anyone have any idea or are there more ways than I have mentioned to broadcast the matches
dibo
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as far as i can tell, nobody knows. it depends on the terms of the deal.
the deal may be for 4 live games a week. that may mean that the HAL is free to sell the rights to an extra match (or two if they go bananas for 4 teams) to any bidder be it fox or the FTA networks.
conversely, fox may simply have exclusive rights no matter how many games. that would mean no more money.
another 'middle' possibility is that the deal gives fox first rights on any further games and the on-selling of any other HAL content, but involves an extra sum of money to the FFA.
the deal may be for 4 live games a week. that may mean that the HAL is free to sell the rights to an extra match (or two if they go bananas for 4 teams) to any bidder be it fox or the FTA networks.
conversely, fox may simply have exclusive rights no matter how many games. that would mean no more money.
another 'middle' possibility is that the deal gives fox first rights on any further games and the on-selling of any other HAL content, but involves an extra sum of money to the FFA.
dibo
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that may simply mean that fox (as a vendor of a product - football on tv) want more of the product than is presently available to sell.
it doesn't necessarily imply that they will put out more money, but it doesn't tell us that they won't. it doesn't even tell us that they plan on showing an extra game per week - they may be very happy for a FTA network to carry the cost (directly or indirectly) of an extra game per week in return for the greater exposure FTA brings.
in short, while it's a good sign in that they want to be involved to a greater degree and show more football, it doesn't actually give us any more info.
it doesn't necessarily imply that they will put out more money, but it doesn't tell us that they won't. it doesn't even tell us that they plan on showing an extra game per week - they may be very happy for a FTA network to carry the cost (directly or indirectly) of an extra game per week in return for the greater exposure FTA brings.
in short, while it's a good sign in that they want to be involved to a greater degree and show more football, it doesn't actually give us any more info.
midfielder
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dibo said:
Its a bugger...............not having any idea..............cannot understand why no one from either fox or FFA seem to what to comment..............unless they wish to keep NRL & AFL guessing.
I understand from media reports that each team got 1.2 m, from the fox deal, ............if 12 teams does that mean $ 800, 000............OK OK OK I know I am only asking the question a different way...................but its a bugger not knowing
Leedsmariner
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We'll win the west: FFA
By David Davutovic
March 21, 2008
FOOTBALL Federation Australia has fired a shot across the bows of AFL and NRL by boldly declaring that an A-League team will be based in western Sydney as early as 2010.
Since the AFL ambitiously earmarked a second Sydney team by 2012 it has been billed as a battle with the NRL - but FFA chief executive Ben Buckley feels football is well placed to win the hearts and minds of the region.
The Daily Telegraph understands that at least three bids will be tabled from consortiums keen to start a second Sydney team, alongside FC.
Buckley was at pains to explain that the FFA was not being driven by the opposition's timetable, but felt they were better placed than the AFL to capitalise.
Sources close to the AFL have indicated that the code is just as threatened by football in the western Sydney and Gold Coast markets, and even more so nationally.
"The board agreed that within two to three years, we'll be in a position to be a 12-team competition and clearly, as part of that resolution, west Sydney would be right in the mix," Buckley said.
"All the stats I've seen would support that football is second to none in terms of participation numbers and interest in the game in west Sydney, and on that basis it's fertile ground.
"West Sydney holds a lot of potential for football. It's an area with a high concentration of player participation, interest in the A-League and the national team, plus a rich history.
"There's some advantages to whoever moves first, but they're outweighed by doing what's right for the sport."
Buckley believes a second Sydney team would not cannibalise FC.
"There's anecdotal evidence to suggest many footy fans from west Sydney don't frequently travel to the Sydney Football Stadium," he said.
"If there was a team playing in west Sydney, we would benefit by being able to capture an audience that doesn't regularly participate."
While Gold Coast and Townsville-based consortiums are well advanced, new teams in Sydney and Melbourne are next in the queue, with season six (2010-11) the likely date.
"We've had a lot of informal interest from groups interested in putting a proposal to us in the western part of Sydney, so based on that it's one of the front-runners," Buckley said.
"We've identified a number of areas - Gold Coast, Townsville, west Sydney, Melbourne, Wollongong and Canberra. But I don't see it as a race with the other codes, we've got our own timetable and it's about what's right for football."
While western Sydney can lay claim to being "soccer territory", Buckley admits there would be advantages for the first code to occupy the Gold Coast.
"Gold Coast is a more competitive and diverse market in terms of the football codes," he said.
By David Davutovic
March 21, 2008
FOOTBALL Federation Australia has fired a shot across the bows of AFL and NRL by boldly declaring that an A-League team will be based in western Sydney as early as 2010.
Since the AFL ambitiously earmarked a second Sydney team by 2012 it has been billed as a battle with the NRL - but FFA chief executive Ben Buckley feels football is well placed to win the hearts and minds of the region.
The Daily Telegraph understands that at least three bids will be tabled from consortiums keen to start a second Sydney team, alongside FC.
Buckley was at pains to explain that the FFA was not being driven by the opposition's timetable, but felt they were better placed than the AFL to capitalise.
Sources close to the AFL have indicated that the code is just as threatened by football in the western Sydney and Gold Coast markets, and even more so nationally.
"The board agreed that within two to three years, we'll be in a position to be a 12-team competition and clearly, as part of that resolution, west Sydney would be right in the mix," Buckley said.
"All the stats I've seen would support that football is second to none in terms of participation numbers and interest in the game in west Sydney, and on that basis it's fertile ground.
"West Sydney holds a lot of potential for football. It's an area with a high concentration of player participation, interest in the A-League and the national team, plus a rich history.
"There's some advantages to whoever moves first, but they're outweighed by doing what's right for the sport."
Buckley believes a second Sydney team would not cannibalise FC.
"There's anecdotal evidence to suggest many footy fans from west Sydney don't frequently travel to the Sydney Football Stadium," he said.
"If there was a team playing in west Sydney, we would benefit by being able to capture an audience that doesn't regularly participate."
While Gold Coast and Townsville-based consortiums are well advanced, new teams in Sydney and Melbourne are next in the queue, with season six (2010-11) the likely date.
"We've had a lot of informal interest from groups interested in putting a proposal to us in the western part of Sydney, so based on that it's one of the front-runners," Buckley said.
"We've identified a number of areas - Gold Coast, Townsville, west Sydney, Melbourne, Wollongong and Canberra. But I don't see it as a race with the other codes, we've got our own timetable and it's about what's right for football."
While western Sydney can lay claim to being "soccer territory", Buckley admits there would be advantages for the first code to occupy the Gold Coast.
"Gold Coast is a more competitive and diverse market in terms of the football codes," he said.
Sean
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/a-league/aleague-may-get-jump-on-afl-in-western-sydney/2008/04/30/1209234955024.html?page=2
Super-sized A-League may get the jump on AFL in western Sydney
Greg Prichard
May 1, 2008
FOOTBALL Federation Australia chief executive Ben Buckley has revealed stunning plans for the A-League competition to jump from eight to not just 10 - but 12 teams for the season after next.
"We've got scope for an additional four teams in season five," Buckley said yesterday. "I would be disappointed if we didn't have at least 10 by then. Twelve is more challenging, but I don't rule it out."
Franchises representing Townsville and the Gold Coast, which were set to be admitted for next season before the FFA decided they weren't ready, remain at the front of the line for admission in the 2009-10 season.
Beyond that, Buckley said he was encouraged by interest from potential backers of second teams from Sydney and Melbourne. If the money is real, it is clear the FFA wants to expand the league sooner rather than later.
The AFL plans to establish new teams on the Gold Coast and possibly western Sydney from 2011.
"We've had approaches from Melbourne and western Sydney," Buckley said. "We haven't had formal discussions with the Melbourne people, but there is advanced thinking from some quarters. Melbourne, as a city, definitely has the ability to sustain a second team.
"As far as western Sydney is concerned, we have meetings with groups coming up in the next month or so. We'll find out where things are at with them then."
A potential hurdle to teams from Melbourne and Sydney being admitted for season five is the exclusivity agreement Sydney FC and Melbourne Victory have for the first five years of the A-League. But the FFA boss felt there was enough support for expansion for that problem to be overcome.
"It would require a willingness from those two clubs," Buckley said. "But if we felt new consortiums from those two cities were ready for season five, we would have that conversation with the clubs. We've spoken to all the clubs about expansion, and there is a very big appetite for it across the board. They can see the benefits."
The fact that, after five years, Sydney FC and Melbourne Victory would not be able to stop the introduction of new teams in their cities may persuade them to agree to the inevitable a year earlier. Sources suggest any opposition would be more likely to come from Melbourne.
Buckley said he didn't think the argument that there would not be enough quality players to fill four new clubs in one year was justified.
Even if the A-League increased only to 10 teams in season five, the aim would be to get it to 12 as soon as possible after that. The desired end figure is 14, with Wollongong and Canberra slated as preferred areas for expansion. But sources say Wollongong could be fast-tracked if necessary.
The one concern for the FFA among existing A-League clubs is struggling Perth Glory. But there are no plans to get rid of Perth, with Buckley saying the franchise was critically important to the competition and that the FFA was doing all it could to help the club's owners find ways to improve its situation.
It was a day of revelations from Buckley, who said the FFA had made a submission to the appeals committee about Central Coast and Olyroos goalkeeper Danny Vukovic's case.
"We said we didn't believe that 'cherry-picking' the penalty system was a good precedent for the game," Buckley said. "Of course, as FFA chief executive, I supported that submission."
But the committee went ahead and "cherry-picked", creating a break in the middle of Vukovic's suspension for striking a referee's arm so he could play at the Olympics before resuming the suspension in next season's A-League.
Buckley said the FFA was set to make a "modest" profit for this financial year, following a significant loss last year, and plans were in place to establish an under-14 national team to compete internationally. The youngest national team is under-17.
And a review of the A-League's disciplinary rules has begun, after Newcastle star Joel Griffiths last season avoided further penalty because he had already been yellow-carded for striking an assistant referee's groin area.
Super-sized A-League may get the jump on AFL in western Sydney
Greg Prichard
May 1, 2008
FOOTBALL Federation Australia chief executive Ben Buckley has revealed stunning plans for the A-League competition to jump from eight to not just 10 - but 12 teams for the season after next.
"We've got scope for an additional four teams in season five," Buckley said yesterday. "I would be disappointed if we didn't have at least 10 by then. Twelve is more challenging, but I don't rule it out."
Franchises representing Townsville and the Gold Coast, which were set to be admitted for next season before the FFA decided they weren't ready, remain at the front of the line for admission in the 2009-10 season.
Beyond that, Buckley said he was encouraged by interest from potential backers of second teams from Sydney and Melbourne. If the money is real, it is clear the FFA wants to expand the league sooner rather than later.
The AFL plans to establish new teams on the Gold Coast and possibly western Sydney from 2011.
"We've had approaches from Melbourne and western Sydney," Buckley said. "We haven't had formal discussions with the Melbourne people, but there is advanced thinking from some quarters. Melbourne, as a city, definitely has the ability to sustain a second team.
"As far as western Sydney is concerned, we have meetings with groups coming up in the next month or so. We'll find out where things are at with them then."
A potential hurdle to teams from Melbourne and Sydney being admitted for season five is the exclusivity agreement Sydney FC and Melbourne Victory have for the first five years of the A-League. But the FFA boss felt there was enough support for expansion for that problem to be overcome.
"It would require a willingness from those two clubs," Buckley said. "But if we felt new consortiums from those two cities were ready for season five, we would have that conversation with the clubs. We've spoken to all the clubs about expansion, and there is a very big appetite for it across the board. They can see the benefits."
The fact that, after five years, Sydney FC and Melbourne Victory would not be able to stop the introduction of new teams in their cities may persuade them to agree to the inevitable a year earlier. Sources suggest any opposition would be more likely to come from Melbourne.
Buckley said he didn't think the argument that there would not be enough quality players to fill four new clubs in one year was justified.
Even if the A-League increased only to 10 teams in season five, the aim would be to get it to 12 as soon as possible after that. The desired end figure is 14, with Wollongong and Canberra slated as preferred areas for expansion. But sources say Wollongong could be fast-tracked if necessary.
The one concern for the FFA among existing A-League clubs is struggling Perth Glory. But there are no plans to get rid of Perth, with Buckley saying the franchise was critically important to the competition and that the FFA was doing all it could to help the club's owners find ways to improve its situation.
It was a day of revelations from Buckley, who said the FFA had made a submission to the appeals committee about Central Coast and Olyroos goalkeeper Danny Vukovic's case.
"We said we didn't believe that 'cherry-picking' the penalty system was a good precedent for the game," Buckley said. "Of course, as FFA chief executive, I supported that submission."
But the committee went ahead and "cherry-picked", creating a break in the middle of Vukovic's suspension for striking a referee's arm so he could play at the Olympics before resuming the suspension in next season's A-League.
Buckley said the FFA was set to make a "modest" profit for this financial year, following a significant loss last year, and plans were in place to establish an under-14 national team to compete internationally. The youngest national team is under-17.
And a review of the A-League's disciplinary rules has begun, after Newcastle star Joel Griffiths last season avoided further penalty because he had already been yellow-carded for striking an assistant referee's groin area.
midfielder
Well-Known Member
Looks like the FFA could be going for a 4 team expansion at one time in Hal 5.
How we can find the players ......... then 2 more teams within 3 years after.
As I see it they want the 12 teams so they have two rounds thus 22 games plus finals, and therefore don't have to take on the NRL & AFL, then two rounds with 14 teams is 26 rounds plus finals.
Also interesting in HAL 3, the FFA made a slight profit.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23625988-23215,00.html
[size=10pt]Victory can expect city rivals by 2010-11[/size]
By Grantley Bernard
May 01, 2008 MELBOURNE Victory are on notice they will have an A-League rival in the city sooner rather than later.
While Victory are protected by a five-year deal to be the only A-League team in Melbourne, Football Federation Australia has identified the Victorian capital as a priority location as they look to expand the league from eight to 12 teams.
While Townsville and Gold Coast are set to join the A-League next year for its fifth season, it is reasonable to think a second Melbourne team will be admitted for the 2010-11 season, if not sooner.
FFA research ranks Melbourne second behind western Sydney, and ahead of the Gold Coast and Townsville, as a location most suited for an expansion franchise.
"Melbourne definitely has the capacity to sustain a second team," FFA chief executive Ben Buckley said yesterday.
"We've clearly identified Melbourne as a priority area to expand. The capital is there in Melbourne and the support is there in Melbourne."
One key factor in favour of a second Melbourne team will be the new rectangular stadium, purpose-built for football and rugby league as a home venue for Victory in summer and Melbourne Storm during the winter.
A second team would offer the chance to increase use of the stadium and draw new fans to the A-League while creating the competition's first intra-city rivalry.
While Victory are not publicly in favour of embracing a second Melbourne team, their success on and off the field could have played a strong part in the FFA's desire to have another team in Victoria.
Victory have outstripped every A-League club in attendances and membership, are a popular TV team and have been able to quickly turn a profit. The FFA theory is Victory should treat a second Melbourne team as a rival rather than a threat.
"You may be able to go to (a game in) Melbourne and have 30,000 fans each week," Buckley said. "The assumption that 50 per cent of Melbourne Victory's support would immediately switch allegiances is incorrect. There is a growing appetite for the game and we want to tap it."
FFA has been approached by people wanting to establish a second Melbourne team, but, according to Buckley, there has been no formal application even though the bid is "seen as very advanced in some quarters".
If a second Melbourne team was ready to go before the end of Victory's five-year protection period, FFA would ask for that exemption to be dropped, but the bottom line places the onus firmly on any expansion team, whether it be from Melbourne, Sydney or any other city.
"We can't afford to have a club come in and drag the chain," Buckley said.
"We have to be 100 per cent certain they will come in and not be a burden."
THE A-League has posted a "modest profit" on the 2007-08 financial year, according to Buckley, who has forecast another profit next year.
Meanwhile, Fox Sports has announced it would telecast live the May 30 friendly between Victory and Juventus at Telstra Dome.
How we can find the players ......... then 2 more teams within 3 years after.
As I see it they want the 12 teams so they have two rounds thus 22 games plus finals, and therefore don't have to take on the NRL & AFL, then two rounds with 14 teams is 26 rounds plus finals.
Also interesting in HAL 3, the FFA made a slight profit.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23625988-23215,00.html
[size=10pt]Victory can expect city rivals by 2010-11[/size]
By Grantley Bernard
May 01, 2008 MELBOURNE Victory are on notice they will have an A-League rival in the city sooner rather than later.
While Victory are protected by a five-year deal to be the only A-League team in Melbourne, Football Federation Australia has identified the Victorian capital as a priority location as they look to expand the league from eight to 12 teams.
While Townsville and Gold Coast are set to join the A-League next year for its fifth season, it is reasonable to think a second Melbourne team will be admitted for the 2010-11 season, if not sooner.
FFA research ranks Melbourne second behind western Sydney, and ahead of the Gold Coast and Townsville, as a location most suited for an expansion franchise.
"Melbourne definitely has the capacity to sustain a second team," FFA chief executive Ben Buckley said yesterday.
"We've clearly identified Melbourne as a priority area to expand. The capital is there in Melbourne and the support is there in Melbourne."
One key factor in favour of a second Melbourne team will be the new rectangular stadium, purpose-built for football and rugby league as a home venue for Victory in summer and Melbourne Storm during the winter.
A second team would offer the chance to increase use of the stadium and draw new fans to the A-League while creating the competition's first intra-city rivalry.
While Victory are not publicly in favour of embracing a second Melbourne team, their success on and off the field could have played a strong part in the FFA's desire to have another team in Victoria.
Victory have outstripped every A-League club in attendances and membership, are a popular TV team and have been able to quickly turn a profit. The FFA theory is Victory should treat a second Melbourne team as a rival rather than a threat.
"You may be able to go to (a game in) Melbourne and have 30,000 fans each week," Buckley said. "The assumption that 50 per cent of Melbourne Victory's support would immediately switch allegiances is incorrect. There is a growing appetite for the game and we want to tap it."
FFA has been approached by people wanting to establish a second Melbourne team, but, according to Buckley, there has been no formal application even though the bid is "seen as very advanced in some quarters".
If a second Melbourne team was ready to go before the end of Victory's five-year protection period, FFA would ask for that exemption to be dropped, but the bottom line places the onus firmly on any expansion team, whether it be from Melbourne, Sydney or any other city.
"We can't afford to have a club come in and drag the chain," Buckley said.
"We have to be 100 per cent certain they will come in and not be a burden."
THE A-League has posted a "modest profit" on the 2007-08 financial year, according to Buckley, who has forecast another profit next year.
Meanwhile, Fox Sports has announced it would telecast live the May 30 friendly between Victory and Juventus at Telstra Dome.
They wont wont make it only 2 rounds. Would be a waste. Maybe when they expand to 14, with introducing a cup they might. but 22 is too few games.
More games means higher quality players, as they train and play at a higher level more often.
More teams means more money to keep key first team players here, and bring players back from europe.
I do not think playing quality will be a problem at all. I think it may take 2 or 3 years for squads to have settled with so many new teams coming in at once. But it really depends on their recruiting. Which means it is important that they have plenty of time to recruit before a-league players sign new contracts.
More games means higher quality players, as they train and play at a higher level more often.
More teams means more money to keep key first team players here, and bring players back from europe.
I do not think playing quality will be a problem at all. I think it may take 2 or 3 years for squads to have settled with so many new teams coming in at once. But it really depends on their recruiting. Which means it is important that they have plenty of time to recruit before a-league players sign new contracts.
midfielder
Well-Known Member
Jesus said:
Jesus 22 rounds no head to head with NRL & AFL, IMO FFA are two scared of a 33 round comp.
Think about this 33 rounds plus 6 games final series, plus at least 4 FIFA weeks breaks. Thats a 43 week comp and I would be surprised in FFA went that way.
I think that ultimately the FFA realise that the short comp will only hamper the long term success of the sport in the country. Ultimately they have to bite the bullet and play some more games against league/afl games. They can still roster to try and avoid major competition.
Anyone have any figures on the early round averages when teams are competing with league/afl?
Anyone have any figures on the early round averages when teams are competing with league/afl?
midfielder
Well-Known Member
Jesus said:
I have kept crowd figures for every round in hal 1, 2 , 3, must go have a look. But the Hal starts around the final series and thus its up against a limited number of games anyway.
IMO they are simply to scared to take em on.
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