Ángel Torres

[Spacks]

No one knows if a word she said was true.

No one knows if a word she said was false.

Insufficient evidence, "beyond reasonable doubt". My word against yours with no witnesses is not beyond reasonable doubt.

Doesn't mean he didn't go too far or that she let him go so far, changed her mind and he didn't think she meant it.

So many scenarios, the paper outcome is he's completely innocent.

Would I like to sign him as a supplement to this squad? No doubt.

Would I actually sign him? I don't think you can take the risk.

Would you sign Ruon Tongyik? Similar situation.

I'd hate to be a professional footballer at a nightclub, you'd get hounded by women of ill repute looking for a quick payday.

Perhaps a video of both parties consenting verbally will protect both parties.

 

[Corsair]

I'd hate to be a professional footballer at a nightclub, you'd get hounded by women of ill repute looking for a quick payday.

Perhaps a video of both parties consenting verbally will protect both parties.

As a pro footballer you shouldn't be getting yourself into these situations in the first place. Easier said than done for young men...

 

[Jimmy]

Ruon Tongyik situation is a little different.
They had proof of her intentions and state of mind. "DICK!!!!!!!" wasn't it?

 

[Spacks]

Crucially, she sent a text to her sister while in Tongyik's house minutes after the alleged rape.
In response to the sister asking why she was where she was, the woman replied "d***".
"She didn't write, 'I've been raped', 'rape', 'help' or something else.
"That is fatal to the crown case. You could find Mr Tongyik not guilty on the basis of this message alone."

 

[Huddo]

If the police had actually done their job properly with Ruon, it would never have proceeded to court.

 

[JB16]

If the police had actually done their job properly with Ruon, it would never have proceeded to court.

Exactly, he got completely and utterly failed by the legal system. Not to mention the multiple people on this Forum and others that assumed he was guilty and proceeded to be utterly vile towards him, all for it to be untrue and completely false

 

[Spacks]

The police and DPP carried out their prosecution for the sake of looking to do something about sexual assault. I wonder if he could sue the police and request FOI about all communications relating to his case as to why they brought this case at all.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I'm sure if Ruon was blonde then NSW Police would have behaved very differently.

 

[Big Al]

While I can't see us spending anything on anyone this season let alone him it might be kind to let him train with us while he sorts out what's next.
Maybe with no contract his visa is up and he has to leave immediately anyway.

Pretty sure he would be wanting to get to the airport before the word appeal or any other issues could arise. Visa or not.

I understand everyones opinions and it’s fun to debate but there is no way he is staying in this country after that

 

[FFC Mariner]

Pretty sure he would be wanting to get to the airport before the word appeal or any other issues could arise. Visa or not.

I understand everyones opinions and it’s fun to debate but there is no way he is staying in this country after that

Don't think he'd be allowed. His visa will have expired when his contact was up. Allowed to stay until the court case was heard.
Now he'd have to go I imagine

 

[adz]

The system said innocent. The mirror might say something else. Either way, story’s over.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

So the prosecutor conveyed the prosecutions case with a story, and minimal evidence. To infer the prosecutions story as gospel is not only misguided, it's recklessly wrong.

A not guilty does mean his individuals character remains intact, his personal sexual choices don't dictate his character. Your own subjective beliefs about community, family respect don't come in to it. According to a jury of 12 of his peers, he has been cleared of all charges.

'not guilty' doesn't mean innocent. It simply means there is reasonable doubt.

Convicting in rape cases is very, very difficult due to their nature as often being he-said, she-said - and also, defence is based on character assassination rather than facts.

that and the AVO...yeah, don't want a bar of him at our club. Even though the 'no dickheads' policy died many years ago.

 

[Josho Howe]

For me, a good result on the sporting field means absolutely nothing if that result was obtained by someone with a questionable moral compass.

We all want to cheer for good players but more importantly, good people. He is only one of those.

 

[Wombat]

You always have the shittest posts after 9pm...i wonder why 🍺🍷

Your posts are consistent.

 

[Meerkat]

Wife.
Let's have a think.
Does it really matter who the AVO came from?
Is it not bad enough that he's got one in the first place?

How keen are you on signing a player who has had to face the law on a number of occasions regarding to violence against women?

I know the club lost it's Community Club vibe over the last few years. But holy shit. Let's not scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Jimmy got all of my 3 points here. Close it off.

 

[style_cafe]

Torres was found not guilty in the eyes of the Law, whether anyone thinks that doesn’t make him innocent becomes irrelevant as they are entitled to there opinion. See Lindy Chamberlain. What is relevant is that Angel Torres’ reputation has been tainted to the extent that we as a community based club can no longer employ him due to commumumity expectations. Personally I wish him well and hope that somewhere he can resurrect his career. He had the potential to become a club great and I hope his name csn be restored in our clubs history….

 

[Big Al]

Torres was found not guilty in the eyes of the Law, whether anyone thinks that doesn’t make him innocent becomes irrelevant as they are entitled to there opinion. See Lindy Chamberlain. What is relevant is that Angel Torres’ reputation has been tainted to the extent that we as a community based club can no longer employ him due to commumumity expectations. Personally I wish him well and hope that somewhere he can resurrect his career. He had the potential to become a club great and I hope his name csn be restored in our clubs history….

His name should definitely be resorted for his football achievements in that season.

 

[FFC Mariner]

His name should definitely be resorted for his football achievements in that season.

It won't be. Bad optics, club would get slaughtered

 

[Hello Sailor]

Thoughts on OJ Simpson?

He had an excellent legal team

 

[pjennings]

He had an excellent legal team

Without whom we probably wouldn't have heardof the Kardashians