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[marinermick]

Very rare side effects???? Thats f**king funny Mick. The Govt used to post the adverse affects but after a few months when the results were out of control they stopped publishing it. In the mean time Facebook banned anyone that posting those results until the Goverment and MSM could get a reasonable story together.
What are the benefits? The vaccine didn't even work!
Some posters on here nearly lost their spouses to adverse affects.
I have physically felt the affects of the Pfizer jab in the limbs of people i have worked on.....including a young Police Officer forced to get jabbed.
I presume the resent spate of Footballer's dying of heart attacks since 2020 is some once in a 5000 year coincidence ........or due to too much Gatorade consumption?

You make a litany of claims here you can’t back up and a number of personal anecdotes that doesn’t add to the extensive body of evidence.

 

[marinermick]

Preliminary long-term follow up studies on myocarditis in adolescents and young adults indicate that most patients recover quickly from symptoms and they are mostly mild. Follow-up cardiac MRI studies of patients who had experienced myocarditis following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination frequently demonstrated late gadolinium enhancement (LGE) in areas of their myocardium. Some studies have shown improved but persistent LGE a few months after onset of myocarditis. In other contexts, these changes have represented myocardial scarring. The clinical significance of these findings following myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination is currently unknown, with longer term follow-up studies still in progress.

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...-and-pericarditis-after-covid-19-vaccines.pdf (Updated 12 January 2024)

Hey @marinermick, what's the long term outcome of myocardial scarring? Can one expect a long and healthy life?

What you have just quoted and the study you cite as evidence shows the incidence of this occurring being 1 in 1.75 million. Let me write that for you against - 1 in 1.75 million.

Since you are going on about long term side effects, can you tell me what the half life of a vaccine is?

 

[marinermick]

I presume the resent spate of Footballer's dying of heart attacks since 2020 is some once in a 5000 year coincidence ........or due to too much Gatorade consumption?

Can you show me the evidence where there has been an increase in young athletes having heart attacks since the pandemic? I bet you find none.

 

[marinermick]

Literally you sound more like Trump than your hero Fauci.

Play the ball and not the man Jim. You are better than this.

 

[Hello Sailor]

What you have just quoted and the study you cite as evidence shows the incidence of this occurring being 1 in 1.75 million. Let me write that for you against - 1 in 1.75 million.

Since you are going on about long term side effects, can you tell me what the half life of a vaccine is?

An easier question for those who dont understand science or statistics [or refuse to accept them]is
"What was the mortality rate of the unvaccinated"

newsGP - Modelling reveals number of lives saved by COVID vaccine rollout

Research suggests the campaign saved nearly 18,000 over-50s in NSW alone between August 2021 and July 2022.

www1.racgp.org.au

The death rate is TWELVE TIMES greater for the unvaccinated Wombat. Think about this, not fifty percent greater, or double but TWELVE TIMES. Lets also not forget the awful deaths of those struggling for breath.

Spreading opinions that can can kill those who accept them is stupid and irresponsible.

Maybe a reminder of the mass graves in NY, the freezer trucks outside mortuaries and hospitals and the exhausted distraught staff in overcrowded hospitals could be effective too.

 

[marinermick]

My personal anecdote that doesn’t add to the scientific body of evidence, but as others have shared theirs, I will share mine. My nephew was on a tennis scholarship in the US. Contracted covid before the vaccines were extensively rolled out. He developed long covid and could not play tennis for six months. He nearly lost his scholarship. He finished his degree but never felt as strong and as fit as before Covid. Is now working at a fancy Texan country club coaching tennis, but feels contracting Covid has scuttled his attempt to be a professional tennis player.

 

[Spacks]

What you have just quoted and the study you cite as evidence shows the incidence of this occurring being 1 in 1.75 million. Let me write that for you against - 1 in 1.75 million.

Since you are going on about long term side effects, can you tell me what the half life of a vaccine is?

No no, answer the question I asked you first.

The half life of the vaccine is relevant in the long term effects of myocardial scarring how exactly?

If you get myocarditis from the vaccine and your heart gets scarred it's already done the damage to your heart that will never be repaired.

So answer the question, what's the long term outlook of someone with myocardial scarring, can one expect a long and happy life? Or do they die of heart failure?

 

[marinermick]

No no, answer the question I asked you first.

The half life of the vaccine is relevant in the long term effects of myocardial scarring how exactly?

If you get myocarditis from the vaccine and your heart gets scarred it's already done the damage to your heart that will never be repaired.

So answer the question, what's the long term outlook of someone with myocardial scarring, can one expect a long and happy life? Or do they die of heart failure?

The half life is totally relevant. Without going into a lengthy discussion on the pharmacodynamics of a medication and the association with half life and dosing regime, the fact you can’t tell me means you do don’t know the simplest detail in regards to a medication’s safety profile.

What length of time are you talking about when you refer to “long term”?

You do realise that myocarditis can occur with people who have contracted covid, around four percent as opposed to the 0.00000057
percent with the Covid vaccine you linked in your study?

 

[Ironbark]

It's one thing to have strong opinions in an area in which you have zero understanding, it's another to drive it down the throats of others when it can, and does, have serious impact on their wellbeing.

The sheer number of armchair medical experts that came out of the rafters during this period has been insane, with nearly all of them not even being able to pass the first test in a year 1 biology module let alone having the decades of research and application that the experts in these fields put in.
But by all means - tell them they're wrong.

When you're strongly and verbosely opinionated on topics you don't even have basic foundational understanding in you are embarrassing yourself, causing harm, and falling into the misinformation traps that are being set for you by vested interests.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

Interestingly, the Mayo clinic, cleveland clinic and Avicenna cardiology (they were just 3 I looked at - I only get 30 mins for lunch) all suggest that mild myocarditis resolves in many cases on its own and without long term effects.

They also suggest causes of myocarditis as including viral infection, bacterial infection, fungal infection, autoimmune disorders, parasitic infections, some medications - antidepressants, seizure meds, diuretics, benzodiazepines, weight loss meds, antibiotics..

Also flu, herpes virus 6, parvovirus it's a childhood disease called slapped cheek because how it looks - most people have had it as a kid), COVID, rheumatic fever, exposure to radiation.

While there has been occurrences reported after the vaccine these are reportedly rare. The risk of COVID causing myocarditis seems to have a general consensus in the medical research of being greater than the risk of it being caused by the vaccine.

The victor chang cardiac research institute cites an article in the vascular medicine journal that says 12 cases per million people following 2 doses of the mRNA Vax vs 450 cases per million in people who tested positive for COVID.

Research indicates there are approx 1.5million cases of myocarditis a year.

I assume we have ruled out all other variables when making blanket statements to the Vax causing myocarditis?

A vaccine doesn't stop catching or spreading COVID but it reduces the chances - in the same way a seatbelt doesn't stop people dying in motor vehicle accidents but it certainly improves your chances of survival. Are we moving to take a stand against seatbelts next?

 

[Spacks]

What length of time are you talking about when you refer to “long term”?

You do realise that myocarditis can occur with people who have contracted covid, around four percent as opposed to the 0.00000057
percent with the Covid vaccine you linked in your study?

I asked you if one could expect a long and healthy life.

The difference is you roll the dice of getting covid vs mandated to get the jab.

 

[Hello Sailor]

Play the ball and not the man Jim. You are better than this.

Dunno the source of the original quote but seems appropriate here MM.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see"

 

[true believer]

You make a litany of claims here you can’t back up and a number of personal anecdotes that doesn’t add to the extensive body of evidence.

you know like forest fires

 

[true believer]

Can you show me the evidence where there has been an increase in young athletes having heart attacks since the pandemic? I bet you find none.

the london uni released a study. that cardiac problems had been under estimated in 2018 .
the number came in at 1 in 14,000

More young footballers dying of heart problems than thought, FA study finds

FA increases number of screenings for youth players after study finds several players died of heart problems not spotted by tests

www.theguardian.com

 

[marinermick]

I asked you if one could expect a long and healthy life.

The difference is you roll the dice of getting covid vs mandated to get the jab.

Yes, you are more likely to have a long and healthy by being vaccinated with Covid. You are twelve more likely to die from Covid if you haven’t had the vaccine. You have a four percent chance of myocarditis if you have Covid, 0.00000057% chance if you had the vaccine.

Tell what the half life of the Covid vaccines are again?

 

[Spacks]

Yes, you are more likely to have a long and healthy by being vaccinated with Covid. You are twelve more likely to die from Covid if you haven’t had the vaccine. You have a four percent chance of myocarditis if you have Covid, 0.00000057% chance if you had the vaccine.

Tell what the half life of the Covid vaccines are again?

No, you've avoided my question again buddy, if you get myocardial scarring what's the average life expectancy?

 

[Stuartmcateer]

No, you've avoided my question again buddy, if you get myocardial scarring what's the average life expectancy?

Is it a one size fits all approach?

Surely life expectancy would be dependant on the severity of the fibrosis, any other coronary issues or disease, responsiveness to treatment, gender, race.

One would expect mild myocardial fibrosis to have less impact and therefore more life expectancy than someone who had a massive heart attack.

Personal experience for me is that my pop had a heart condition (there was fibrosis), got surgery and we had him for an extra 14 years and lived to mid-late 70s. Without treatment he maybe has a couple.

Also my nephew had a heart attack at 17. Got fast emergency first response help (time is muscle), and good medical treatment. Has one of those devices that Christian Eriksen has. Prognosis is to live a long life. He can't play elite rugby like he was but will live a normal life and normal life expectancy.

Of course myocardial fibrosis is going to have some impact, but in this day and age having a particular condition is not the sole determinant.

 

[marinermick]

No, you've avoided my question again buddy, if you get myocardial scarring what's the average life expectancy?

Depends on the severity of disease and your access to appropriate medical treatment. Not being a medical practitioner to know exactly what each individual’s prognosis would be, but knowing the majority of cases were short term and reversible according to the published literature presented, and knowing that only a 0.00000057% incidence occurs, I dare say the absolutely vast majority of vaccine recipients will have no impact of their life expectancy from the vaccine.

What does your review of published literature say about the subject?

Anyway, question answered, what is the half life of a Covid vaccine?

 

[Spacks]

Depends on the severity of disease and your access to appropriate medical treatment. Not being a medical practitioner to know exactly what each individual’s prognosis would be, but knowing the majority of cases were short term and reversible according to the published literature presented, and knowing that only a 0.00000057% incidence occurs, I dare say the absolutely vast majority of vaccine recipients will have no impact of their life expectancy from the vaccine.

What does your review of published literature say about the subject?

Anyway, question answered, what is the half life of a Covid vaccine?

Lol myocardial scarring isn't reversible, because the body cannot repair cardiac cells.

Half life of a covid vaccine? I've got no idea. I'd be interested in the answer and how you came to that conclusion though!

So feel free to add a link to your source.

 

[true believer]

isn't this the point where you declare victory .