Treble Winners v Scummiest Scum To Ever Scum

[priorpeter]

I blame Paull

I hadn’t noticed!

 

[Stuartmcateer]

Adams was not Paull's player in the set piece.
It's a matter of opinions. That is why we love football.
You blame Brian and Trent. I blame Paull
We can always find reasons to justify our opinions

I'm saying it's rarely just 1 person.

Unless it's an out and out cock up like kaltak trying to shield the ball against Sydney (and even then if Trent hadn't botched the clearance he wouldn't have been in the position of trying to do it).

Trent marks no-one. Brian marks no-one and keeps everyone onside and half arses the block.

I'm saying that to blame Paull 100% as the sole cause of the goal, without acknowledging the part others errors also played, is disingenuous. Even doka needs to shoulder some blame for dogging the challenge on the edge of the box.

Same with the second goal. You blame paull alone for not winning the header but the corner should never have been given away. That's fully on Brian and Trent. They had ample opportunity to play out and kept passing back to DPC as the press closed in. Don't give away the corner and there's no header to contest.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

So you don't rate Storm? Been playing very well in thought.

Been solid. Would like him to be a bit better in possession at times.

 

[capauau]

It's always a matter of opinion
You can't always blame the preceding events for the outcome
It's like blaming passing backwards at kick off for not scoring goals
You can criticise every player at times
It is a team sport

 

[Stuartmcateer]

It's always a matter of opinion
You can't always blame the preceding events for the outcome

Not always. But in most situations on the field an immediately previous event influences the outcome heavily.

We have conceded goals this year where a bad pass out of defence was cut out which meant a defender wasn't close enough to their player. Are you saying that the bad pass didn't contribute to conceding the goal and is 100% on the defender who was out of position.

Or Sainsbury ripping ngor for not winning the ball on the side line against Sydney. Segicic runs behind Brian to score. Under your assessment criteria that's 100% Brian's fault when really it was contributed to by the preceding play.

What about blaming a goal on giving away a penalty? Or are we just blaming the GK for not saving it as you can't say previous events contributed right?

It's like blaming passing backwards at kick off for not scoring goals

That's a rediculous analogy. May as well say DPC is a rubbish goalkeeper because he doesn't win headers at attacking corners. Completely unrelated events.

You can criticise every player at times
It is a team sport

Except Brian apparently. Any errors he makes get automatically chalked up to Paull.

 

[Meerkat]

That's fully on Brian and Trent. They had ample opportunity to play out and kept passing back to DPC as the press closed in. Don't give away the corner and there's no header to contest.

Yup. I don’t even care who was at fault after this. This is precisely where it went wrong and from two players who absolutely should have known better.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Hate to pick on him but our Brazilian wage thief losing his challenge opened up our left and allowed the counter.
The rest was panic but the cause was him.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

Hate to pick on him but our Brazilian wage thief losing his challenge opened up our left and allowed the counter.
The rest was panic but the cause was him.

Hang on. Can't do that according to cap. Previous events don't influence outcomes.

But they still had plenty of time to fix it. They played to DPC about 4 times before he kicked it out.

 

[Meerkat]

Hate to pick on him but our Brazilian wage thief losing his challenge opened up our left and allowed the counter.
The rest was panic but the cause was him.

Actually… yup!!!!!!!

 

[capauau]

I am only responding when my opinion is different to yours
That is the beauty of football. Everyone has different opinions
I agree that Brian and Trent are at fault on many occasions as you state
Paull is young and will learn as he gets older with more experience
He has shown improvement but should not be considered in the same league as his other defenders
Trent has played all over the world and represented his country over 60 times
Brian is his country's national captain and is a wall of a defender
Storm has also represented his country numerous times
All three have been major cogs in our winning championship teams

 

[Stuartmcateer]

I am only responding when my opinion is different to yours
That is the beauty of football. Everyone has different opinions
I agree that Brian and Trent are at fault on many occasions as you state
Paull is young and will learn as he gets older with more experience
He has shown improvement but should not be considered in the same league as his other defenders
Trent has played all over the world and represented his country over 60 times
Brian is his country's national captain and is a wall of a defender
Storm has also represented his country numerous times
All three have been major cogs in our winning championship teams

Nobody is disputing the previous achievements of storm, Brian or Trent. But you cant use that to dismiss their errors and pass the blame to others.

trent and Brian are not playing particularly well this season. They are well below their best. Brian's wall this year at times has resembled a fence. With pailings missing. And over the last 6 or so weeks, Paull is out playing them.

Nearly every goal this season you have pretty much blamed Paull, regardless of if it was him at fault. That's not having an opinion. That's having a grudge.

 

[dlanod]

I was thinking this during the game. We have a great bunch of kids that is kind of going unnoticed because of our lacklustre season. De Lima works his socks off for the team and has quality, Brandtman works hard and has had some big moments, out of the team at the moment but still a great prospect, Scicluna finaaaally getting into the team and is serious quality. Everyone will see that clear as day soon. DPC learning on the job but his natural elite shot stopping is a good starting block. New boy Faisal imo could become our new Silvera. Ofcourse Migz is our current golden boy of our teenage bunch coming back into the fold soon. Then clearly Haine Eames is a serious talent, could be anything he wants to be going forward. And then the boys that are close but not featured yet… Sambrook and Paragalli.

I get that we’re all pretty disappointed with how this seasons going, plenty of moments of anger and frustration. Definitely spiralling around here sometimes. But it ain’t all doom and gloom folks.

Yep. Next year will be interesting. These draws have really killed us this season now unfortunately.

 

[capauau]

I was only responding this time to your comment he has been our best defender thus giving my opinions on the recent goals from the weekend
Every player in the team has copped criticism in the forums here in some form
There is no grudge against Paull but he would be picked last of all defenders in my starting team as I don't rate him highly

 

[Corsair]

Paull is clearly not Aleague centre back standard, he was rubbish up until a few games ago but he seems to have found his calling at left back. Long may it last. I do really like having a tall back line as well.

I thought Herrington for Sains worked really well too...

 

[Spacks]

Paull is clearly not Aleague centre back standard

I stopped reading after this lol

This is Paull's defensive actions per 90

This is Brian's

Brian's more dominant aerially whereas Nathan is a better tackler.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

Brian's more dominant aerially whereas Nathan is a better tackler.

Nathan has more goals and assists too 😉

 

[Corsair]

I stopped reading after this lol

This is Paull's defensive actions per 90

This is Brian's

Brian's more dominant aerially whereas Nathan is a better tackler.

Stats don't tell you how well a player positions himself or reads play. I agree Brian has had some poor games as well this season.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

Stats don't tell you how well a player positions himself or reads play. I agree Brian has had some poor games as well this season.

And this season, Brian has been poor in both those aspects compared with previous seasons.

 

[Corsair]

And this season, Brian has been poor in both those aspects compared with previous seasons.

What's your point?

 

[capauau]

I stopped reading after this lol

This is Paull's defensive actions per 90

This is Brian's

Brian's more dominant aerially whereas Nathan is a better tackler.

The telling stat for me is tackles won v duels won percentages
Brian wins the duel when needing to tackle at a similar percentage
Paull may win the initial tackle by just putting a foot in but only wins half the duels