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Team performance 2024/2025

Ancient Mariner

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I think it is an appropriate time for a general performance discussion thread in addition to the stop/start of week to week game discussions that tend to be one offs and tend to the form of tweets.
Hopefully the thread can be a constructive discussion of where the team is, what it doing right, what it us doing wrong and how to address it rather than a witch hunt for who made the mistake that led to that goal.
I will kick off.
 

Ironbark

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We are short on quality by a long way. Dollars and injury are the reason.

Always going to behind due to that - but also feel we have our tactics and structures allll kinds of wrong for the cattle we have
 

Spacks

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We are short on quality by a long way. Dollars and injury are the reason.
This is why I harped on regarding the Nizzy/Balard free transfers. If we're going to develop players to sell, we actually need to get $$ for those players not just "reputation". The only reputation we got is that overseas clubs can just bend us over barrel and pay $0.
 

Ancient Mariner

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Ok enough of the goo feasting. Understandable but it does not contribute a great deal to constructive discussion.

As I see it we have three problems in the team at the moment, defence, attack and effective transition between the two.

Beginning with defence. From last year we have only Kaltak and Roux as the only regulars returning from what was a reasonably effective back 5. Kaltak has been sadly out of form compared to the last two seasons. It must be remembered that he is a relatively inexperienced player at this level, he is not your usual 31year old, old head central defender. He was thrown in the deep end this year with a very raw partner next to him, a young very inexperienced keeper behind him, and a new less effective pair in front of him. Added to that he was saddled with the captaincy, an added burden that has appeared to be far too much for him to bear. The death of his mother and an earthquake back at his home would not have helped. His confidence looks shot.

The other problem that is obvious is that we have gone from a back four to a unsettled back three. This formation worked as a change up in one match but, in my opinion, has been less effective than the back four with which we began the season. I think we have had fat least our different combinations of three central defenders and two wing backs since it has been introduced.

Even with this unsettled defence Jacko still has them playing out from the back at just about every occasion. This is clearly the way to play, however there have been times when a long ball would be the better option. The short pass down the centre by DPC to a player under threat has quite often been almost suicidal.

I would like to see us return to a back four of Roux, Kaltak, Sainsbury and Mauragis/Smith/Kuz. With Doka and Theo as wingers. Doka is a much better attacker than defender and is needed higher up the park.

Comments from others, especially those with a greater knowledge of the game than me please.
 

Ancient Mariner

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This is why I harped on regarding the Nizzy/Balard free transfers. If we're going to develop players to sell, we actually need to get $$ for those players not just "reputation". The only reputation we got is that overseas clubs can just bend us over barrel and pay $0.
I do not recall the original length of Nizzy's or Ballard's contracts, but when their contracts were in the final year the Club cannot force a player to sign another one.
If you have a good young prospect you can offer a long contract. If the player signs, well and good, but if the player wants only two years to you give them that or lose them to another club?
It becomes even more difficult when you are short of cash.
 

Tevor

Well-Known Member
Ok enough of the goo feasting. Understandable but it does not contribute a great deal to constructive discussion.

As I see it we have three problems in the team at the moment, defence, attack and effective transition between the two.

Beginning with defence. From last year we have only Kaltak and Roux as the only regulars returning from what was a reasonably effective back 5. Kaltak has been sadly out of form compared to the last two seasons. It must be remembered that he is a relatively inexperienced player at this level, he is not your usual 31year old, old head central defender. He was thrown in the deep end this year with a very raw partner next to him, a young very inexperienced keeper behind him, and a new less effective pair in front of him. Added to that he was saddled with the captaincy, an added burden that has appeared to be far too much for him to bear. The death of his mother and an earthquake back at his home would not have helped. His confidence looks shot.

The other problem that is obvious is that we have gone from a back four to a unsettled back three. This formation worked as a change up in one match but, in my opinion, has been less effective than the back four with which we began the season. I think we have had fat least our different combinations of three central defenders and two wing backs since it has been introduced.

Even with this unsettled defence Jacko still has them playing out from the back at just about every occasion. This is clearly the way to play, however there have been times when a long ball would be the better option. The short pass down the centre by DPC to a player under threat has quite often been almost suicidal.

I would like to see us return to a back four of Roux, Kaltak, Sainsbury and Mauragis/Smith/Kuz. With Doka and Theo as wingers. Doka is a much better attacker than defender and is needed higher up the park.

Comments from others, especially those with a greater knowledge of the game than me please.
Nailed it, I’ll add the midfield as a problem as well. Last night particularly we are so slow in transition. That’s all in the mids, been mentioned heaps before that Alfie and Steele are too similar. I think we should be trying others in the mids, what can it hurt. Alfie and Steele pretty much played the whole season together so far with no improvement. Time to switch it up. The defence get pressed as we can’t get the ball moving so we get silly errors. The attack doesn’t get the service it needs not that I think Kuol has the touch to handle any more service unless it’s to his head. So many problem areas and no cash or resources to fix it unfortunately. I feel for Eames, De Lima and Co they are trying to establish themselves in a team that is truely dysfunctional.
 

Ancient Mariner

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Nailed it, I’ll add the midfield as a problem as well. Last night particularly we are so slow in transition. That’s all in the mids, been mentioned heaps before that Alfie and Steele are too similar. I think we should be trying others in the mids, what can it hurt. Alfie and Steele pretty much played the whole season together so far with no improvement. Time to switch it up. The defence get pressed as we can’t get the ball moving so we get silly errors. The attack doesn’t get the service it needs not that I think Kuol has the touch to handle any more service unless it’s to his head. So many problem areas and no cash or resources to fix it unfortunately. I feel for Eames, De Lima and Co they are trying to establish themselves in a team that is truely dysfunctional.
I think midfield is the big problem. We have no transition to attack through the middle of the park. We rely On the wingers to much with ineffective crosses or with good crosses that our strikers do not seem able to get to.
It is one reason why I would prefer to see the formation revert to 4411 or 442 with overlapping fullbacks and wingers moving inside giving more options in attack. This needs an understanding and coordination between the players. At the moment we are shifting players around too much for these understandings to develop.
I would be very tempted to use youth (even starting) even if they are not quite ready, put up with the errors with a view to experience for next season.
Of course the counter argument is that you can destroy their confidence. However use them as much as possible.
In attack last night Sydney had a player open between our lines time and time again as a link to let their attack flow.
 

Sam_Kelso

Member
Nailed it, I’ll add the midfield as a problem as well. Last night particularly we are so slow in transition. That’s all in the mids, been mentioned heaps before that Alfie and Steele are too similar. I think we should be trying others in the mids, what can it hurt. Alfie and Steele pretty much played the whole season together so far with no improvement. Time to switch it up. The defence get pressed as we can’t get the ball moving so we get silly errors. The attack doesn’t get the service it needs not that I think Kuol has the touch to handle any more service unless it’s to his head. So many problem areas and no cash or resources to fix it unfortunately. I feel for Eames, De Lima and Co they are trying to establish themselves in a team that is truely dysfunctional.
Before De Lima was gassed last night he really improved our transitional play and his constant movement provided options. Actually got to see Steele/Alfie play a few (still not enough) forward passes in that first half
 

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