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Wilson
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Jesus said:
Argentina?? USA??
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Socceroos vs Kuwait in Canberra
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Argentina?? USA??
Ursus
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David Votoupal said:
The coaching is needed before A-League level and it is beginning to happen (mariners Academy). FFS as Dibo points out in one of his posts it will take time. I am getting very tired of people here expecting a magic wand to be waved and for us to beat Man U consistently.
dibo
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Wilson said:
USA yes, but what internal competition for talent does Argentina have? Futbol is number one in Argentina. In the USA they've also got a significant college system that feeds the MLS (which itself is very similar in many respects to the A-League but which is ten years older and better developed). We should aspire to have a league as strong as the MLS.
Part_Timer
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canberra and i still went....WHY...
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Wilson
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dibo said:
Apart from extreme poverty!!! Just kidding, but if parents in Argentina had to pay $1300 for a kids rego how many players would they have playing????????????
Argentina has Rugby and Basketball abviously not as big as football but they are competitors.
dibo
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obviously, kids don't have to pay $1300 for rego there. they don't have to in other codes here either - the NRL and AFL subsidise the hell out of junior participation. the FFA, had they the money to do so, could make participation in junior elite football more accessible to the masses, but again until we've got a lot more money, ain't gonna happen.
dibo
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who else was at this game?
Australia 2-0 Kuwait
Clint Bolton, Joel Griffiths (Sasho Petrovski 56), Kevin Muscat, Archie Thompson (Alex Brosque 69), Alvin Ceccoli, David Carney, Mark Milligan, Jade North, Michael Valkanis, Steve Corica (Matthew McKay 90), Travis Dodd
Goals : Dodd 75, Petrovski 86
Coach: Graham Arnold
???
Perhaps we were just really really really shit on the night?
Not denying quality issues across the team, but we had a 100% HAL lineup that night, and look at the score.
Australia 2-0 Kuwait
Clint Bolton, Joel Griffiths (Sasho Petrovski 56), Kevin Muscat, Archie Thompson (Alex Brosque 69), Alvin Ceccoli, David Carney, Mark Milligan, Jade North, Michael Valkanis, Steve Corica (Matthew McKay 90), Travis Dodd
Goals : Dodd 75, Petrovski 86
Coach: Graham Arnold
???
Perhaps we were just really really really shit on the night?
Not denying quality issues across the team, but we had a 100% HAL lineup that night, and look at the score.
dibo said:
Agreed. The kuwaities spent 2 weeks togethr preparing for this game in NZ. We had half a week, some guys having not played for a month, some a couple of weeks, some only showing up a few days before the game due to playing the final, even having 3 players withdrawn due to injury from the final.
David Votoupal
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Ursus said:
I give you Japan as an example of what can be achieved. They enticed coaches from around the globe, and Japanese coaches like Akira Nishino bear the stamp of that.
Arab countries were enticing BIG name foreign coaches in the 70s, and that includes Kuwait. They had Mario Zagallo and Carlos Alberto Parreira coach them in their best years, which included Asian Cup success and qualifying for a World Cup. They were the best side in Asia in the early 80s.
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Wilson
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Arnold out!!dibo said:
David Votoupal
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I'm sure that when proven foreign coaches do come into the A-League, and not the second rate hacks that have come here prior, we'll see a definite improvement in tactical awareness and football.
David Votoupal
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In a nutshell we played like we had 11 Gerrards on the field :-X
{quote author=David Votoupal link=topic=3235.msg91134#msg91134 date=1236312610]
I give you Japan as an example of what can be achieved. They enticed coaches from around the globe, and Japanese coaches like Akira Nishino bear the stamp of that.
Arab countries were enticing BIG name foreign coaches in the 70s, and that includes Kuwait. They had Mario Zagallo and Carlos Alberto Parreira coach them in their best years, which included Asian Cup success and qualifying for a World Cup. They were the best side in Asia in the early 80s.
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Japanese clubs all have, and have had academies of probably greater scale than our proposed acedemy for some time. This means that players coming through now have had that advantage. If they did not have academies to teach their young players from 6year olds, they would not be doing any better even with foreign coaches.
A coach can only use the players he has at his disposal. Overall The a-league sees coaches pretty efficiently use their players. Better coaches will help win games with tactics, maybe increase the quality of training, and have some, though minimal short term advantages to playing quality.
But it is the big things which move us forward. Clubs having academies. Quality coaching being developed by the FFA, through their TD. Increasing the quality of young players, and less young players, and eventually professional players. But it takes time. Though the game is making large strides now.
Ursus said:
I give you Japan as an example of what can be achieved. They enticed coaches from around the globe, and Japanese coaches like Akira Nishino bear the stamp of that.
Arab countries were enticing BIG name foreign coaches in the 70s, and that includes Kuwait. They had Mario Zagallo and Carlos Alberto Parreira coach them in their best years, which included Asian Cup success and qualifying for a World Cup. They were the best side in Asia in the early 80s.
[/quote]
Japanese clubs all have, and have had academies of probably greater scale than our proposed acedemy for some time. This means that players coming through now have had that advantage. If they did not have academies to teach their young players from 6year olds, they would not be doing any better even with foreign coaches.
A coach can only use the players he has at his disposal. Overall The a-league sees coaches pretty efficiently use their players. Better coaches will help win games with tactics, maybe increase the quality of training, and have some, though minimal short term advantages to playing quality.
But it is the big things which move us forward. Clubs having academies. Quality coaching being developed by the FFA, through their TD. Increasing the quality of young players, and less young players, and eventually professional players. But it takes time. Though the game is making large strides now.
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