should the marinators be in a better bay....

[dibo]

I think whether we should move is a fair question to ask. I think the answer is no, but theres no reason why it shouldnt be put up, and theres no reason to sling shit for asking either.

I think we should stay in Bay 16 because its where we began from, and Deej is right in that bays 15 and 17 will surely come into the fold of reserved seating soon. This in itself is a reason not to move at Bay 16 weve got maximum room to grow. Bay 1 would be particularly squeezed, but even bay 12 would be hemmed in on one side by reserved seating before too long.

When we get hemmed in on one side, wed get lopsided. The older Marinators or originals would wind up on one side while the group grows to one side. The centre would shift away from the core of experienced support. Where we are now, as we grow outwards to either side the centre remains in the heart of Bay 16.

Pricing is something Ive expressed strong views on and I think my views have been vindicated by the numbers in the Bay this year. The no concessions thing is something I am sure will be addressed next season the club would be insane not to. Our numbers have taken a body blow because of the no concessions.

The noise thing is more complicated. We might make more noise in another bay, but the bulk of the lower tier bays have no roof over them either. They have the upper deck behind them on the sides, and theyre closer to more of the other supporters, but theyre not going to make us much louder.

Were not in a great spot for bars, toilets, cover but thats not really what were there for either. Proper supporters groups are almost always behind the goals. Were not there for good facilities, cover from the elements or a good view of offside decisions (or much else), were there to support the team.

Wed probably be there if we had to stand ankle deep in mud or peer over a hedge, so better that it be the dedicated and defiant that stand behind the goals and leave the nice seats to those who are more fussy about their location and their view.

All that said, I would love if we got a few things sorted at our end a roof would be apples and at least one mobile bar would be super too Theres probably no coincidence in the fact that the Cove have a tight group built around the entrance to a bar, while its a hike to the bar for the Orange Army and theyre rubbish.

Long story short fair question, my answer is no.

 

[Part_Timer]

valid points ty if we can sort group particapation out noise will come...slow process when alot of ppl hate our chants but refuse to join new ones....just keep doin what i do.

 

[RADINHO]

we should get bay 5, 6, 7.

undercover, not blinded by sun, smack bang in the middle, great view, would make better atmosphere and i think its close to bar!

 

[Jimmy]

Pretty much every club, the fan club will sit behind the goals, that's what I thought happened..ya know, just the way it is. ?

Newcastle dont sit behind the goal last time i checked.

I think we should try it for one game, just cause we can.

 

[marinermick]

lol at people suggesting bays anywhere near the centre line

will never happen

1. these are premium seats and come with premium dollars
2. the club would not want a supporter group near their main core of members and supporters i.e. swearing, standing, impeding views

 

[Sean]

I say stand in the far corner from the away supporters. would be awesome for chant coorindation and projection as there is some roof and not as much exposure to the wind which carries our chants nowhere.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I say stand in the far corner from the away supporters. would be awesome for chant coorindation and projection as there is some roof and not as much exposure to the wind which carries our chants nowhere.

I can see where this is do able although the FFA suits would freak.

Personally, I think the future for the Marinators as a fan group is to break down the perception that you have to be in or around bay 16 to belong.

Why not have people prepared to get chants going in other parts of the ground? I am sure that people in other areas would be prepared to join in if they could actually hear.

While we are talking heresy, how about a name change and rebranding to be seen to be more inclusive of all CCM fans (I know we are but perception is reality).

(Puts tin hat on and retreats behind the sofa)

 

[Bex]

IF the Marinators were to move, what about bay 23? Room to grow either side, not premium seating, roof towards rear to help with sound, close to season ticket holders so they can hear and perhaps join in, on the sunny side but not looking straight into afternoon sun, in view of TV cameras, close to bar, close to toilets, close to entry/exit, close to CCLC.

Anyway, I've got a season pass to bay 8 so its not up to me. I would like to see the Marinators grow in numbers though. If a move is beneficial for the long term good of the Marinators and the atmosphere in the stadium, then perhaps its best to do it whilst numbers are low? Perhaps the current position is stunting growth?

 

[Jeff (LouMacari)]

Question has been asked before and no doubt will be continued to be asked for some time. For the record, we didn't start in 16 because they were the cheapest seats!
Bay 12 was the same price and a better view (no net to peer through). Bay 2 was the same price AND undercover so why didn't we start there?

We started behind the goals because those who started the movement behind supporting the Mariners from inception gravitated to behind the goals because of a historical tradition that either we or our fathers before us also stood behind the goals back in the land that they came from.

That doesn't mean its right or wrong, but it just is. It also doesn't mean we have to stay there either.

I think the debate is healthy but those who want to move may find some fairly strong opposition from powers that be due to the fact that if the entire bay were to move, I would say it would be a fairly hard sell for the club to sell those seats due to the view!

Agree with dj too in as much as we HAVE been talking about reserved seating in the bay for some time and now we have it, theres talk of moving again! LOL

 

[Bex]

I think the debate is healthy but those who want to move may find some fairly strong opposition from powers that be due to the fact that if the entire bay were to move, I would say it would be a fairly hard sell for the club to sell those seats due to the view!

So perhaps this argument could end up with a strategy to put to the Mariners to make bay 16 a more sensible price. I know some people here are happy with higher pricing because it ensures "real fans" but in my book anyone that buys a season ticket is a real fan and if they choose to do it in the Marinators' area than it doesn't really matter whether they're cheaper or dearer than the rest of the stadium; in my book they're a marinator. What we need is numbers in the bay and I'm certain that the higher pricing is not helping.

 

[Sacko]

Well I think the bay is quieter this season because I'm bay 34! 

 

[Sacko]

And no it's not because I'm that vain, I'm just further away 

 

[FFC Mariner]

And no it's not because I'm that vain, I'm just further away  

Certainly lowered the average blood alcohol reading in that area of the ground.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

I didn't realise the supporter bay cost more....are they deliberately trying to kill off support, or are they really that incompetent?

If we took over one of the GA bays along the side (near the corners), then it probably would help make us louder due to the roof.  Also, because we're closer to the crowd (as opposed to having a few near-vacant bays between us and everybody else).

 

[~Floss~]

IF the Marinators were to move, what about bay 23? Room to grow either side, not premium seating, roof towards rear to help with sound, close to season ticket holders so they can hear and perhaps join in, on the sunny side but not looking straight into afternoon sun, in view of TV cameras, close to bar, close to toilets, close to entry/exit, close to CCLC.

I had always thought that was the only area worth moving towards.... IF moving ever gathered support.

As hard as it is behind the goals, it would be weird to be anywhere else. Plus those seats (bays 15-17) would be near empty for EVERY game. They would even be difficult to fill at a sellout without the Marinators there.

A move to a side or corner could only happen on the East side IMO as the club/FFA/stadium/Fox would want it on the side seen by TV.

Ideally it would be good to see the bay grow from 16 to eventually engulf bays 15-23.

 

[dru]

I didn't realise the supporter bay cost more....are they deliberately trying to kill off support, or are they really that incompetent?

If we took over one of the GA bays along the side (near the corners), then it probably would help make us louder due to the roof.  Also, because we're closer to the crowd (as opposed to having a few near-vacant bays between us and everybody else).

Adult tickets are no different between the bay and GA it is only the fact that you can't get concession tickets that make them expensive for some.

Personally it's no for me. Unless we build a terraced section under the palm trees, then I'm all for moving to that end!

Do we really have a better view when we are at Newcastle which is what is being suggested by the corners or 23 etc. I don't think we do, especially for those who get forced to the front.

 

[Arabmariner]

No need to move just build a roof or a 2nd tier with a roof behind the goals ffs!

Enter some football mad rich oil tycoon please! 8)

 

[dru]

No need to move just build a roof or a 2nd tier with a roof behind the goals ffs!

Enter some football mad rich oil tycoon please! 8)

Ideally I'd like to see steeper grade on the bay with a roof over the top. something that will give you nose bleeds when looking down at the goals, of course we would have to go to terraces to make it work. or the style of seat built directly onto the concrete.

 

[Ted]

Thing with behind the nets. You can give our keepers a boost in confidence and intimidate the opposing keeper just as easily in bay 16.

 

[Atomic]

Thing with behind the nets. You can give our keepers a boost in confidence and intimidate the opposing keeper just as easily in bay 16.

I just want to add my 2 cents worth on this subject. I prefer to sit in the stands at home games because on the occassions I've stood with the Marinators I've had absolutely no idea on what's happening on the field. It's such a shit view, but as many of you have said, it's more about suporting the team than seeing what's happening on the field. Fair enough. From my point of view, I'd like to see the Marinators on the eastern side of the field because of the roof and becasue of the TV cameras.

I've been to away matches and nothing beats the sensation of singing and chanting with the away supporters. If the Marinators were to move to the side, then I would stand with you all.

Having said all that, I agree with Ted. I was in Adelaide and when we were down 3-nil, there was nothing left to do but to heap shit on Eugene. I like to think that our abuse was so loud and so continuous that it did affect his game. Yes, I'm having myself on, but f**k it was fun