Shef mariners partnership/ Carney and other loan options

[Razorback]

I can see, injuries aside, the likes of Matt Simon, Mile Jedinak, Adrian Caceres, Hutch, Danny and Boogs, all worthy of a trial with Sheffield and see what happens from there.

Hutch? Are you sure? Barely good enough for A league IMO.

 

[Kareem]

I can see, injuries aside, the likes of Matt Simon, Mile Jedinak, Adrian Caceres, Hutch, Danny and Boogs, all worthy of a trial with Sheffield and see what happens from there.

Hutch? Are you sure? Barely good enough for A league IMO.

+1 was just thinking that

 

[Bex]

I don't know why people seem so keen to test the relationship, by the Mariners straight away going to the major partner of the 'alliance' and suggesting they offer us their players.

I mean, I take the view that it is a more business and strategic alliance here, and quite frankly having just put the pen to paper on the arrangement, I find it a bit rude of our club to go to Sheffield and ask for a loan player or two. Why don't we offer them some of ours first.

I can see, injuries aside, the likes of Matt Simon, Mile Jedinak, Adrian Caceres, Hutch, Danny and Boogs, all worthy of a trial with Sheffield and see what happens from there.

I doubt that until the Mariners start sending some players over there, will we start seeing any come here. In the meantime, the business side of things would be taking priority, as it should.

A consistent, co operative, global approach to what challenges Football clubs will face in the coming 1 - 2 years, in a business sense, may be far more valuable than what any squad player from Sheffield can offer the Mariners.

First and foremost, the Mariners football club management have a responsibility to ensure that they maximise our chances of performing well in the A-League. The leaking of all our decent players to a so called "partner" before they would have otherwise been attracted overseas is NOT in the Mariners' interest. If this is the affect of the agreement on the field, then the management were wrong to make such a deal.

Sure, there are business benifits that could be realised also, but the best thing the business team can do at the moment is to have a successful team on the pitch.

 

[clarence]

In YOUR opinions, guys. Others may have a different view. He is close to Lawrie more than other players, so if he DID want to go, maybe he'd be picked before others. I don't rate him that highly either, but he is a playmaker of sorts, so maybe they'd want to see him at Sheffield?

 

[clarence]

I get your point, Bex, so you can appreciate how the Sheffield management team may have felt, when Lawrie & Lyall's enquiry hit their desk then? I'd imagine they have a similar ethos.

I'd bet, too, that of those players I mentioned, maybe only one or two of them would be prepared to travel just for a trial period contract. And I'd strongly doubt that Lawrie would stand for a 'rape and pillage' of his squad.

 

[Kareem]

I get your point, Bex, so you can appreciate how the Sheffield management team may have felt, when Lawrie & Lyall's enquiry hit their desk then? I'd imagine they have a similar ethos.

but it is for that reason that we wouldnt get any star players- tbh there squad players wouldnt stand out here- probably make the starting side (depending on position)
And as the strength of our comp improves, it will make it even harder for us getting 'quality' (I define quality as relative to the avaerage level of ability in the comp which has dramitcally increased since V1 IMO) players unless Sheffiled manage to make it back to EPL by then...

 

[clarence]

TBH, Kareem, I am not sure where Sheffield sit in the comps. They are in the CC Championship?

If so, then they may still have better quality players than us. Just for the experience, some of our younger players should go over there just to see the magnitude of the game in the UK and get a handle of how Australia is so out of step with the rest of the world in regards to accepting Football. They may then come back with a bit more confidence about being a fulltime professional and work harder.

 

[midfielder]

Rowdy pushing the lawn would be the last thing on my mind with that lawn .....

I hope something comes out of the partnership ........ so far only words ...... look forward to seeing who is coming here and hopeful not another Lardel...

Finances and business oportunities are the major reason for the partnership.
Players exchanges are just an added option.

I understand all this ....... but I cannot think of a single partnership agreement between an Australian club and a major European club that has not been all one way ........yes I know SU are on the smaller side when it comes to British Clubs ......and we have a good board who have done an exceptional  job to date in running the club .....  and I am being hard  / not trusting enough / expecting to much to soon ..... all of this and more...

To date the two big pluses for me have been LM off to SU to see how they do their training & Tobin the same at Sao Paulo ........ especially Tobin I see him as our next coach / manager .... that does not mean I am calling for LM to be given the heave ho just Tobin is being brought along nicely.

BUT I am still looking for that screaming example ....... maybe like my above coaching examples it will be lots of little things ............. But I still looking / hoping / believing (well maybe) / that this time an Australian club is getting a reasonable deal and not the rough end of a pineapple again.

 

[Kareem]

TBH, Kareem, I am not sure where Sheffield sit in the comps. They are in the CC Championship?

If so, then they may still have better quality players than us. Just for the experience, some of our younger players should go over there just to see the magnitude of the game in the UK and get a handle of how Australia is so out of step with the rest of the world in regards to accepting Football. They may then come back with a bit more confidence about being a fulltime professional and work harder.

oh yea they do have better players than us
my point was- those players are needed
the players that arent so much required- may just be average for A-league quality (ie. a bit player in the championship = normal player in A-league which is between champinship level and div 1)
now my concern is to the day when A-league makes the step up to be as good as the Championship (which I am somehwat confident ti will happen- how far in the future...i dont know). This will amplify the above mentioned dilemma...however if SU make it back to the EPL- it will be a different story maybe

 

[fedelta]

1. Wolves         
2. Birmingham
3. Reading         
4. Burnley
5. Sheffield Utd

 

[clarence]

Kareem, I'd like to think that both SU and Mariners would send their players overseas, if those players would get a  benefit from the travel and not just to be the best player for the receiving squad.

Now, that would definitely mean sending players who may need an attitude adjustment to their career (hello Hutch  ) and need a kickstart or kick up the bum and made to realise they aren't the Special One (that is Jose of course  ;D ), or the young promising player who maybe needs to wake up to the fact he IS better than he takes himself for (Simon) and needs a confidence boost. Obviously you wouldn't want to send someone who was a problem child.

I think a lot of Aussie players would come back, after a short stint in the UK, with a growing self confidence in their chosen profession once they had seen, first hand, how big a deal it is in the UK (and even more so in Brazil).

 

[dougie]

I read this morning that Sheffield are loaning midfielder Keith Quinn to the Mariners for a month

http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/quinns-make-a-great-quartet-1676443.html
http://www.eleven-a-side.com/acrossthewater/news.asp?n=36124

 

[FFC Mariner]

According to one of the reports he is currently on loan with us...................

 

[dougie]

If he's already on loan he can't have been here long.  He played with the Blades reserves (and scored) just over a week ago.

http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/ReservesReport/0,,10418~1587390,00.html

 

[dibo]

we can't use him in the AFC CL anyway, so there's not exactly a lot of point to it.

 

[scottmac]

we can't use him in the AFC CL anyway, so there's not exactly a lot of point to it.

Do we know for fact we can not use him, or the others that the article talks about? What if they were included on the squad list? We did not have the full quota of players whent he deadline came about did we?

 

[clarence]

I think we had to register the players names and numbers with the AFC before the ACL started.

Unless the Mariners already knew about him coming and registered him (but kept it quiet) with the AFC in time, if such above conditions exist...

 

[Marquee]

But doesn't the ACL require that players are on at least a 6 month contract?

 

[loyalist]

Don't think so

 

[Jesus]

But doesn't the ACL require that players are on at least a 6 month contract?

No. Isnt bridge on a 4 month loan?