Round 12 - Adelaide v CCM @ Coopers (Boxing Day)

[tim...]

Hyundai A-League 2017/18 | Round 12
Adelaide United v Central Coast Mariners
Coopers Stadium, Adelaide
Tuesday 26 December 2017
Kickoff 7:50pm AEDT (7:20pm SA local)

TV: Fox Sports 501
Radio: Coast FM 96.3 & ABC Grandstand

Match Officials
Referee: Peter Green
Assistants: Matthew Cream, Paul Centrangolo
4O: Daniel Elder; VAR: Craig Zetter

ADL: 1.Daniel MARGUSH (gk), 2.Michael MARRONE, 5.Taylor REGAN, 6.Vince LIA, 7.Ryan KITTO, 8.ISAÍAS (c), 11.Johan ABSALONSEN, 12.Mark OCHIENG, 14.George BLACKWOOD, 16.Nathan KONSTANDOPOULOS, 17.Nikola MILEUSNIC, 19.Ben GARUCCIO, 20.Paul IZZO (gk), 23.Jordan ELSEY, 24.Jordan O’DOHERTY, 25.Apostolos STAMATELOPOULOS, 29.Ryan STRAIN, 37.Daniel ADLUNG
**two to be omitted**

Ins: 11.Johan ABSALONSEN (returns from injury), 19.Ben GARUCCIO (returns from suspension), 37.Daniel ADLUNG (returns from suspension)
Outs: 9.Baba DIAWARA (hip - 2 weeks), 22.Ersan GÜLÜM (suspended - 1 week) / Unavailable: 21.Tarek ELRICH (knee - long term)

CCM: 1.Ben KENNEDY (gk), 2.Storm ROUX, 3.Josh ROSE, 5.Antony GOLEC, 6.Tom HIARIEJ, 7.Andrew HOOLE, 8.Blake POWELL, 9.ASDRUBAL, 10.Daniel De SILVA, 11.Connor PAIN, 12.Trent BUHAGIAR, 13.Kwabena APPIAH, 14.Adam BERRY, 15.Alan BARO (c), 16. Liam ROSE, 18.Tom GLOVER (gk), 21.Kye ROWLES, 27.Lachlan WALES
**two to be omitted**

Ins: 6.Tom HIARIEJ (return from injury), 12.Trent BUHAGIAR (promoted), 21.Kye ROWLES (promoted), 27.Lachlan WALES (promoted)

Outs: 4.Jake McGING (suspended – 1 week), 23.Wout BRAMA (suspended – 1 week) / N/A: nil

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Fixture History v Adelaide United (A-League)
Matches 39 / CCM 18 / Reds 15 / Draws 6
Goals Scored 57 / Goals Conceded 53

Biggest Win: 4-0 at Coopers, 2011/12 Round 9
Biggest Loss: 0-4 at Coopers, 2013/14 Round 10

CCM at Coopers: 18 times / CCM 6 / Adelaide 8 / Draws 4

Last Met: 2017/18 R7, Gosford, lost 1-2

Form - Last Five
CCM | L W W L L
Reds | W W L W L​

 

[scottmac]

No Wout or McGing.
f**king hope we've got Tom back.
I can see this going one of 2 ways. We come out angry and with purpose and jam it right up the f**king FFA and win by 5.
Or we get royally shafted to the enth degree and the VAR and officiating in this country sink to new lows even mariners fans cant fathom.
Can't decide which one.
Either way I'm really struggling to find the desire to even care its on.

 

[tim...]

You'd think Tommy H has to be back... on that basis I'd like to think we're in good hands although the fact Brama is out doesn't help.

McGing has improved but his loss is coverable IMO

 

[Big Al]

The VAR hates us both Derby

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

I've dreaded games before when I expected us to lose badly. I've never dreaded a game before because I've lost all faith in the refereeing and the integrity of the competition. I'm expecting to want to throw my computer again. Don't know why I'm going to watch it.

Well, I do. Because I'm Mariners till I die, and I feel like watching it on TV is still supporting it.

I'll watch it. But I really don't want to.

As for the game itself....I don't know, is missing Tom really why we've played so crap last 2 weeks?

I honestly don't remember a minute of play after that 2nd red.

But we did play like crap and our defence went back to U/6 stuff at critical moments. We could get into the box with no problem, but nobody had any effing idea how to give themselves space in the box. All too often we've got 3-4 players in their box, completely marked and doing nothing about it.

Frustrating.

I also really feel for McGing, he's just coming good, I hope this doesn't hurt his confidence. Golec's game has worried me lately.

Unless okon has a miraculous prematch speech, I just can't see how we can win this. Maybe that's just me still feeling despondent everytime I think about the Mariners.

 

[Wombat]

McGing for Storm is no loss as long as Storm is drilled by Okon.......you are a defender first and foremost.
Without Tom we are shit (same as we always were without Monty). He is our glue. Wout is a good player but can be covered by Rosebud.
So no reason not to win.

Kennedy was poor for the first time all season so hopefully that wont be repeated.
We were a bit soft and didnt pressure Drive bys at all.
I wasnt confident against WSW because of what i saw against City the week before BUT we showed a tonne of guts when the FFA stooges reduced us to 9 men. If we had played like that from the beginning we would have smashed them.
I see a Mariners win coming.

P.S. f**k the FFA and f**k the VAR! (and the Scum)

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I really don’t think we were crap cap’n. In fact at 9 men I thought we were amazing. But I do think we struggled to settle and get the dominance that we still looked very capable and likely of because 80% of our attack and forward momentum was routinely broken up by foul play.

I know you’re an ex ref, but I watch a lot of football, and imo the HAL referees let go an awful lot of obvious professional fouls that get pulled up in other top flight leagues. The football here suffers as a result, if players can get away with it they will. So instead of being only smart yellows where you know it will cost you but you need to, you can use the tactic consistently because you don’t even cop yellows.

WSW also knew they could put hits on and leave a foot or shoulder in etc because they weren’t getting sanctioned.

Then when our players had had enough and have clearly gone, ok this is what sort of game we’re in and finally started to push back...

Well we know what happened.

Not since Lawrie have we really played that anti football way, it’s not an illigitimate tactic but it’s much too powerful/successful here as a tactic because of poor officiating.

And we consistently suffer whenever it’s used as a tactic on us, and WSW above all teams have never played otherwise.

Wanderes did not look like they had much at all imo. Unfortunately they just took their two real chances very well is all I saw. On that, sure, I do think they deserved their win. But I think if they copped the yelllows and even reds that they should have it would almost certainly have made for a very different game and result.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

McGing for Storm is no loss as long as Storm is drilled by Okon.......you are a defender first and foremost.
Without Tom we are shit (same as we always were without Monty). He is our glue. Wout is a good player but can be covered by Rosebud.
So no reason not to win.

Kennedy was poor for the first time all season so hopefully that wont be repeated.
We were a bit soft and didnt pressure Drive bys at all.
I wasnt confident against WSW because of what i saw against City the week before BUT we showed a tonne of guts when the FFA stooges reduced us to 9 men. If we had played like that from the beginning we would have smashed them.
I see a Mariners win coming.

P.S. f**k the FFA and f**k the VAR! (and the Scum)

I don’t think Rose can do the job Wout is. But agree that Tom is the most important player and hopefully he and junior will be a better balacend pairing in midfield than him and wout are.

Agree re the 9. Was just posting about it.

No one is going to give us jack shit in this league. Quite the opppsite. So the players have to take it from them and give no quarter. We’re still the only side to demolish Sydney and I think on our day, with all our best players on the park, we could well be the best side in the league.

Love to start converting our chances, destroying teams, win the league and be fox’s worst nightmare.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Why highlight that I'm an ex ref? I agree with you that a lot of professional fouls are let go (not complaining, just curious)

In our game, before the red cards, I was actually thinking that the ref is showing he doesn't really understand what's happening because his penalising of the tactical foul was inconsistent. But given that's par for the course here, I wasn't too worried...lol. I actually find myself surprised at how much dangerous play is let go, moreso than tactical fouls. Hard, full-stud challenges on the shin/ankle/foot are a yellow, if anything, and the scissors tackle is perfectly fine in this league. That's the part I find surprising - I think our referees severely underestimate the danger in a lot of tackles (though it also makes me question some basic tackling mechanics of a lot of our top players...)

I do agree that we had a lot of momentum being broken up - and those tackles weren't adequately punished.

I remember I was AR for a state league game, an ambitious young ref who took himself a bit too seriously, a bit officious (and that's okay, everyone is different after all)....but no idea with tactical fouls. Neither team got any momentum because they were just hacking each other down to stop the attacks. Should have been a number of cautions, but most of it was just a foul. Had absolutely no feel for what was happening - seriously, you've never seen a game get killed by fouls like this one. The assessor, well respected assessor, had nothing but praise for him after the match.

See, the problem is, that assuming he did reasonably well in this other assessment for the year, then a young ref with no clue about tactical fouls and no feel for the match, then gets promoted to the next higher league, with nobody telling him that he needs to fix up this part of the game. Annnnnd, repeat. I'd like to say this was one-off, but I've had very little faith in assessors in my time (I was one myself for a few years). Seen too many talk about things in the game that just didn't happen or make absurd claims. Too many are just incompetent. But from the example I mentioned, the problem with assessors is it means the wrong refs get promoted. Repeat that across a few leagues, and then the HAL refs are being drawn from the wrong talent pool. Now, of course there are plenty of other problems in HAL ref selection too, but this is why I've maintained that one of the problems with HAL referees is grassroots assessors!!!

Sorry, sorry, I'm digressing.

I did feel over the last 2 weeks that we were very frustrating, that we never really looked like winning. Our midfield was arguably better this week than against MCY, but our attack....regressed. They were still playing like they didn't really know each other. And I know Tom H is great at holding the ball up and spotting what to do, but when the attackers just aren't moving off the ball, or are putting in dreadful crosses.

It's not just Tom H, I believe Hoole is a key player and he's been playing terrible. I wonder if having Tom H out is affecting his mindset somehow, maybe too much pressure on him?

The defence for WSW's 2 goals was....yeah, absolutely infuriating and going back to the problems we thought were fixed.

I'll have to take your word for it how we played with 9 men....I honestly can't remember a thing that happened. Except throwing the remote, turning the TV off then relenting and turning it back on

While WSW were the better team, I agree that had discipline been correctly metered out (especially with Santalab), then the game would have been quite different. I also agree that not properly penalising the professional fouls doesn't help the game much.

But then, it shows just how bad discipline is in the HAL. I mean,the refs aren't pulling a lot of stuff up (dissent too, of course), yet there are still plenty of cards around. That's a bit of a worry.

 

[Big Al]

McGing for Storm is no loss as long as Storm is drilled by Okon.......you are a defender first and foremost.
Without Tom we are shit (same as we always were without Monty). He is our glue. Wout is a good player but can be covered by Rosebud.

Haha storm and defend I like that one. Storm will get further forward but get ignored by Hoole

I also think we will be better with Tom and Rose over Wout and Rose. So Tom better play or we will cop a flogging.
I haven’t been overly impressed with Wout.

AU gave us fits last time. I expect an Ashes style flogging if we don’t fix what we did wrong that game.

Izzo in goals we must win free kicks and slot them home

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Why highlight that I'm an ex ref? I agree with you that a lot of professional fouls are let go (not complaining, just curious)

In our game, before the red cards, I was actually thinking that the ref is showing he doesn't really understand what's happening because his penalising of the tactical foul was inconsistent. But given that's par for the course here, I wasn't too worried...lol. I actually find myself surprised at how much dangerous play is let go, moreso than tactical fouls. Hard, full-stud challenges on the shin/ankle/foot are a yellow, if anything, and the scissors tackle is perfectly fine in this league. That's the part I find surprising - I think our referees severely underestimate the danger in a lot of tackles (though it also makes me question some basic tackling mechanics of a lot of our top players...)

I do agree that we had a lot of momentum being broken up - and those tackles weren't adequately punished.

I remember I was AR for a state league game, an ambitious young ref who took himself a bit too seriously, a bit officious (and that's okay, everyone is different after all)....but no idea with tactical fouls. Neither team got any momentum because they were just hacking each other down to stop the attacks. Should have been a number of cautions, but most of it was just a foul. Had absolutely no feel for what was happening - seriously, you've never seen a game get killed by fouls like this one. The assessor, well respected assessor, had nothing but praise for him after the match.

See, the problem is, that assuming he did reasonably well in this other assessment for the year, then a young ref with no clue about tactical fouls and no feel for the match, then gets promoted to the next higher league, with nobody telling him that he needs to fix up this part of the game. Annnnnd, repeat. I'd like to say this was one-off, but I've had very little faith in assessors in my time (I was one myself for a few years). Seen too many talk about things in the game that just didn't happen or make absurd claims. Too many are just incompetent. But from the example I mentioned, the problem with assessors is it means the wrong refs get promoted. Repeat that across a few leagues, and then the HAL refs are being drawn from the wrong talent pool. Now, of course there are plenty of other problems in HAL ref selection too, but this is why I've maintained that one of the problems with HAL referees is grassroots assessors!!!

Sorry, sorry, I'm digressing.

I did feel over the last 2 weeks that we were very frustrating, that we never really looked like winning. Our midfield was arguably better this week than against MCY, but our attack....regressed. They were still playing like they didn't really know each other. And I know Tom H is great at holding the ball up and spotting what to do, but when the attackers just aren't moving off the ball, or are putting in dreadful crosses.

It's not just Tom H, I believe Hoole is a key player and he's been playing terrible. I wonder if having Tom H out is affecting his mindset somehow, maybe too much pressure on him?

The defence for WSW's 2 goals was....yeah, absolutely infuriating and going back to the problems we thought were fixed.

I'll have to take your word for it how we played with 9 men....I honestly can't remember a thing that happened. Except throwing the remote, turning the TV off then relenting and turning it back on

While WSW were the better team, I agree that had discipline been correctly metered out (especially with Santalab), then the game would have been quite different. I also agree that not properly penalising the professional fouls doesn't help the game much.

But then, it shows just how bad discipline is in the HAL. I mean,the refs aren't pulling a lot of stuff up (dissent too, of course), yet there are still plenty of cards around. That's a bit of a worry.

Thanks for the great response Cap’n.

Re ref reference (sorry snicker - couldn’t resist that quality opp for alliteration) because I’d typically defer to someone with much greater experience and was about to sound off about refereeing so just wanted to mention I hadn’t forgotten you were a ref.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

All good mate, appreciate the clarification. Not offended, just curious. Sound off all you like....lol
I defended HAL refs for so long...just can't do it anymore

 

[Wombat]

All good mate, appreciate the clarification. Not offended, just curious. Sound off all you like....lol
I defended HAL refs for so long...just can't do it anymore

Haha. Welcome to the good side of the fence.

 

[style_cafe]

Why highlight that I'm an ex ref? I agree with you that a lot of professional fouls are let go (not complaining, just curious)

In our game, before the red cards, I was actually thinking that the ref is showing he doesn't really understand what's happening because his penalising of the tactical foul was inconsistent. But given that's par for the course here, I wasn't too worried...lol. I actually find myself surprised at how much dangerous play is let go, moreso than tactical fouls. Hard, full-stud challenges on the shin/ankle/foot are a yellow, if anything, and the scissors tackle is perfectly fine in this league. That's the part I find surprising - I think our referees severely underestimate the danger in a lot of tackles (though it also makes me question some basic tackling mechanics of a lot of our top players...)

I do agree that we had a lot of momentum being broken up - and those tackles weren't adequately punished.

I remember I was AR for a state league game, an ambitious young ref who took himself a bit too seriously, a bit officious (and that's okay, everyone is different after all)....but no idea with tactical fouls. Neither team got any momentum because they were just hacking each other down to stop the attacks. Should have been a number of cautions, but most of it was just a foul. Had absolutely no feel for what was happening - seriously, you've never seen a game get killed by fouls like this one. The assessor, well respected assessor, had nothing but praise for him after the match.

See, the problem is, that assuming he did reasonably well in this other assessment for the year, then a young ref with no clue about tactical fouls and no feel for the match, then gets promoted to the next higher league, with nobody telling him that he needs to fix up this part of the game. Annnnnd, repeat. I'd like to say this was one-off, but I've had very little faith in assessors in my time (I was one myself for a few years). Seen too many talk about things in the game that just didn't happen or make absurd claims. Too many are just incompetent. But from the example I mentioned, the problem with assessors is it means the wrong refs get promoted. Repeat that across a few leagues, and then the HAL refs are being drawn from the wrong talent pool. Now, of course there are plenty of other problems in HAL ref selection too, but this is why I've maintained that one of the problems with HAL referees is grassroots assessors!!!

Sorry, sorry, I'm digressing.

I did feel over the last 2 weeks that we were very frustrating, that we never really looked like winning. Our midfield was arguably better this week than against MCY, but our attack....regressed. They were still playing like they didn't really know each other. And I know Tom H is great at holding the ball up and spotting what to do, but when the attackers just aren't moving off the ball, or are putting in dreadful crosses.

It's not just Tom H, I believe Hoole is a key player and he's been playing terrible. I wonder if having Tom H out is affecting his mindset somehow, maybe too much pressure on him?

The defence for WSW's 2 goals was....yeah, absolutely infuriating and going back to the problems we thought were fixed.

I'll have to take your word for it how we played with 9 men....I honestly can't remember a thing that happened. Except throwing the remote, turning the TV off then relenting and turning it back on

While WSW were the better team, I agree that had discipline been correctly metered out (especially with Santalab), then the game would have been quite different. I also agree that not properly penalising the professional fouls doesn't help the game much.

But then, it shows just how bad discipline is in the HAL. I mean,the refs aren't pulling a lot of stuff up (dissent too, of course), yet there are still plenty of cards around. That's a bit of a worry.

Was the young referee in question one MATTHEW BREEZE?

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Was the young referee in question one MATTHEW BREEZE?

Bahaha no.

 

[tim...]

Team in - Rowles & Lachy Wales added to the squad. Tommy H 'still in doubt'.

 

[priorpeter]

He's training right through the weekend to prove his fitness. Was at 80% last weekend; Paolo won't play him unless he's 100%.

 

[Gratis]

so - probably no Hiariej. Weak defensive midfield. Good times.

#fuvkFFA

 

[shipwreck]

Tough game this one without our Dutch masters, damn shame we had to be the straw that broke the camels back of the VAR.

I hope this experience doesnt deter other quality European imports from coming to the Mariners or even the League, you could see on Wout's face the utter bewilderment and disgust when it happened, I can just imagine what he would tell one of his Eredevise mates who are contemplating coming to the A-league....

 

[Ozhammer]

I am nervous about this one to be honest, what with the distractions of Xmas and last week’s debacle, the boys could well find themselves struggling against a fit and hungry Adelaide side.

Over the last few weeks I have formed the view that we are, certainly at times, a team that is built more on style than substance. That is to say that there is no iron fist inside the velvet glove, which means that we will struggle against any of the more physical opponents.WSW effectively proved that theory to me last weekend, when they simply outmuscled and outenthused our boys across the park and I am not convinced that the team is able to simply ‘win ugly’.

Because of this, I think we will struggle against Adelaide tomorrow, especially if Tommy as well as Wout are out of the team, as that removes a huge amount of the physicality from the side.

Hope I am proved wrong but I for one will be watching the game on tenterhooks.