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RD 2: Roar vs Mariners

MagpieMariner

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I watched the Glory-Sheepshaggers match afterwards, and our losing effort was way better than both of them; I don't think either of them deserved a win. In fact I got the distinct impression both of them had already settled for a draw in the last 10, the winning goal was a bit flukey.
 

Forum Phoenix

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Welcome to the forum Bell.

I love Fitzy's endeavour been a fan of his for many years, though I dearly wish he could shoot. However I'm far from convinced of him playing centrally and I can't give him any plaudits for yesterday. In the game I watched he and Cac were unfortunately dominated by Lustica, Mckay and Corona. No shame in that. 3 very good players. But going to call it as I see it.
 

Bell

Member
Welcome to the forum Bell.

I love Fitzy's endeavour been a fan of his for many years, though I dearly wish he could shoot. However I'm far from convinced of him playing centrally and I can't give him any plaudits for yesterday. In the game I watched he and Cac were unfortunately dominated by Lustica, Mckay and Corona. No shame in that. 3 very good players. But going to call it as I see it.

No issue with that at all, sorry if it came across that I was having a crack, we all see different things. As for shooting, agree 100%. Unfortunately its probably the thing most holding him back, as he his positional play (and runs) is generally pretty good.

IMO he played his role yesterday better then the other 2 midfielders. I don't mind him in the middle of the park, he creates a bit of urgency and forward momentum when he gets the ball and seems to link nicely with Fabio.

Caceres still frustrates me. Without a doubt the most talented player in our squad, but only shows it in glimpses.
 

dibo

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Leopold Method analysis: http://leopoldmethod.com.au/brisbane-central-coast/


Brisbane dominate an energetic Mariners

In what was a highly entertaining encounter, Brisbane Roar beat an aggressive Central Coast Mariners to claim a 2-1 victory. There was a lot to like about the proactive approach taken by both teams, but in the end, Brisbane’s classy midfield prevailed against the Mariners’ tenacious pressing game.

Line-ups
Brisbane’s coach John Aloisi made only one change to the squad which triumphed over Western Sydney Wanderers last week, with Dimitri Petratos making way for the returning Matt McKay. Mariners Tony Walmsley lost centre-back Jacob Poscoliero to injury, allowing Harry Ascroft the chance to start in the heart of defence.



Mariners press
From the first minute Mariners looked to press high up the pitch. Centre forward Roy O’Donovan pushed up onto the opposing centre-backs, while the two wingers, Mitchell Austin and Fabio Ferreira, aimed to occupy Brisbane’s fullbacks.

In midfield Mariners’ intensity was impressive. In general terms, Anthony Caceres quickly closed down Corona, Brisbane’s deep-lying playmaker, as Nick Fitzgerald moved to mark McKay. A little further back, Nick Montgomery usually picked up Steven Lustica, and with the back four also holding a high line, Mariners were clearly trying to make it difficult for Brisbane to play out from defence.



In certain moments the strategy helped Mariners generate chances. One example came in the 21st minute, where an advanced Montgomery pinched possession before combining with Fitzgerald and Ferreira to create an opportunity for O’Donovan who fired the shot wide. Montgomery also had a penalty shout turned down prior to half-time, and again, this arrived after he dispossessed Lustica in an attacking location.

There was certainly promise attached to Mariners’ energetic style of defence, it’s just that they could not implement it successfully on a consistent basis. Brisbane regularly sliced through their high press, especially during the first half, and in many ways this was down to the likes of Corona and McKay pulling the strings in the centre.

Brisbane play through the press
The midfield trio of Corona, McKay and Lustica played in a different shape depending on whether they had the ball or not. In defence, Lustica operated as a No. 10 in order to pick up Montgomery, while McKay and Corona played alongside each other in the holding roles.

Once Brisbane regained possession the shape slightly tilted. McKay would move a little further forward, taking up a left-sided central midfield position, and Lustica would remain the highest of Brisbane’s three midfielders. Corona was left to distribute the ball from a deeper position in front of Brisbane’s back four. Brisbane didn’t position themselves in a traditional way and Mariners found it difficult to pick them up. With Thomas Broich regularly dropping deep from left wing to exchange passes in midfield, Mariners were not sure which player to pick up.

In the 11th minute, for example, Brisbane were initially finding it problematic to beat the press. Brandon Borrello was forced to pass back to Jade North who was unmarked in central defence. This left Fitzgerald with the decision to make, and instead of sticking with McKay, his direct opponent, he opted to try and pressurise North. With McKay now free in midfield, North played a quick pass to him. Mariners needed to respond, and Montgomery did so by leaving Lustica in order to close down McKay. Before he could get there McKay played an incisive forward pass through to Lustica who was now in the clear.



The move may have eventually broken down, with Borrello crossing straight to Mariners’ goalkeeper Liam Reddy, but it proved to be a sign of things to come. Mariners’ midfielders were repeatedly dragged out of position due to the movement and slickness of their opposition.

Two minutes later, Corona received the ball at the base of midfield. This time Caceres had moved onto Lustica, so Fitzgerald sprinted ahead to close down the Spaniard. This meant McKay was now free in the central midfield zone, and although Montgomery tried to get out to him, the diminutive Socceroo shuffled out to the left-hand side in order to find space. Corona soon zipped a pass into the feet of McKay, who was now out near the touchline. He then played a ball back infield, towards Jamie Maclaren, and the striker did well to put Borrello through on goal. The right-winger made no mistake lashing home the opener in emphatic fashion. This was again an example of Brisbane’s ability to drag the opposition out of shape.



Second half
Soon after the break, Mariners made a couple of half time changes. Fitzgerald, who struggled to track McKay for much of the first 45 minutes, played higher up the pitch almost as a No. 10. Walmsley also pushed his side to be more aggressive with their pressing, especially from goal kicks, where Fitzgerald would move up onto one of Brisbane’s central defenders in order to stop them passing out from the back.

In attack, Mariners tried to move the ball more quickly with direct passes out to their wingers, Ferreira and Austin, who stayed high and wide in order to be more of a threat when crossing. Within the first three minutes of the second half, Mariners played three rapid passes out to Ferreira on the right-hand side, the last of which led to a convincing penalty shout after Caceres was clattered by Brisbane right-back Jack Hingert. Austin also got in on the act, and by the end of the match, Mariners had crossed the ball 30 times to Brisbane’s 12.

Using this approach, Mariners’ general play improved greatly in the second half, but it also cost them in one particular moment. Around the hour mark, Austin drove down the left before being dispossessed. This sparked a Brisbane counter, as Hingert quickly exchanged a neat one-two with the exceptional Corona. The fullback then launched a long ball to Maclaren, who, in typical fashion, was running in behind the opposition defence. The former Perth Glory man teed up Borrello, and following a powerful finish, Brisbane had a 2-0 lead.

Mariners would eventually pull one back, through Josh Bingham after yet another Ferreira-based attack, but it did little to change Brisbane’s superiority.

Conclusion
Brisbane’s passing and movement allowed them to dominate this match through the midfield zone. Corona orchestrated the play with precision from deeper positions, while McKay added mobility and energy when driving forward. As a result, Brisbane were too much for Mariners to handle.

“They had us by the throat,” Mariners coach Walmsley would later say. “They could have taken the game away from us in the first half.” In truth, they probably should have, but that lack of first half goals was the only minor negative in an overwhelmingly positive Brisbane performance.

Mariners, while still a work in progress, did enough to give their coach and fans confidence their best is just around the corner. Their commitment to a proactive pressing game, even in the face of superior opposition, was impressive, while showing they have the quality to cause problems in the final third as well.
 

Rowdy

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What the hell was he thinking on the 2nd goal. McGing had cut off McClaren and had him under control and the angle he used to come in was hopeless and gave Borello the open run. I was very disappointed with Neill. I think his effort is horrible his defensive position ordinary.

Storm can be bad defensively but at least offers something in attack. I've seen nothing from Neill to suggest he is any good. Unfortunately looks like we are stuck with him for a while.

Our left and right backs are terrible defenders which is there primary role

I came to a 'some-what' similar conclusion ....... BUT that was after watching the 11v11 pre-season game on the Fans Day !!!

Neil's performance that day was just as poor both in defense but more importantly going forward. He never made it pass/around Austin all game. 4/10.

Whereas thst same day Matt Simm killed it at LB in the opposing side - which was the weaker side.

Tackling - distributing - driblling into the box & SHOOTING! as well as getting around his midfield partner all the way to the by-line - crossing &/or cutting back for the strikers. 8.5 bordering on a 9 out of 10.

Good enough to start Rnd 1 imo.
Crazy shit, I know. Even- Amazeballs, But it happened.
 

Rowdy

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I'm honestly in awe of the negativity towards Fitzy yesterday. I watched him closely yesterday as he seems to get a bad rap on here and I wanted to see what I was missing??

It seems people make their minds about a player before he's even set foot on the pitch...

If i could rate these excerpts of your post, particularly the last one - I'd give a medal.

e.g. : IF Matt Simm, who many on here rate as shite, played for Neil at LB against Brisb. & put in even 'half' the performance he did 3 weeks ago in the 11v11 Fans day game, we wouldnt have lost against Brisb.
 

Rowdy

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SydMariner,

You Disagree
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Then you Agree for the exact same point!
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That my friend is what is known as 'contra-dickting' yourself.
 

Rowdy

Well-Known Member
The whole point of what 'Bell' was implying is that people make judgements on players before they take the pitch. Just as you are judging Simms past performances ...... not on what his form actually is RIGHT NOW.

When was the last time you actually saw Simms play ???
and I mean in the flesh, on the park before your eyes and not on tv, because a telecast of a game rarely shows what a defender is doing OFF THE BALL which is just as, if not more important than what he's doing with the ball.

I did! & as I said it was 3 weeks ago.

Simms made Micky Neil look like he didn't deserve a spot on the bench let alone a starting a spot.

If your in-form , you should be considered to play.
 
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Big Al

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I came to a 'some-what' similar conclusion ....... BUT that was after watching the 11v11 pre-season game on the Fans Day !!!

Neil's performance that day was just as poor both in defense but more importantly going forward. He never made it pass/around Austin all game. 4/10.

Whereas thst same day Matt Simm killed it at LB in the opposing side - which was the weaker side.

Tackling - distributing - driblling into the box & SHOOTING! as well as getting around his midfield partner all the way to the by-line - crossing &/or cutting back for the strikers. 8.5 bordering on a 9 out of 10.

Good enough to start Rnd 1 imo.
Crazy shit, I know. Even- Amazeballs, But it happened.
Very interesting. I don't rate Sim as LB from what I've seen previously but one thing he has is effort.
Neill I believe gets preferential treatment based on age, but I dont see a dirty gem that needs polishing.
Will be interesting with Rose back and Mitch Austin playing well. I hope Rose is in for Neill
 

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