R8 away @ Nix

[Forum Phoenix]

I will stump up $10k+.....how many investors do we need to remove the cancer that is Pikey??

Half our members = 3000 investors @ $4000 to buy in = 12 million
Was crunching numbers on this at half time

But then we need an operating budget. And we're a bloody hard sell.

*EDIT - was typing as JP and Middy responded. Agree with JP. I don't think based on the 12 mill buy out fee it could ever be feasible. The club would need to go bust first and be worthless, only then would it be remotely possible I think.

That was tough to watch, for the most part we fought hard for the ball but kept giving the ball away with simple skill errors that professional players shouldn't be making, the Bentleigh Greens are a mile above us just in simple pass completion.

Adam Pearce:
It's pretty clear that Pearce isn't ready for the A-League, will he ever be? He has been with us for four seasons now, if he cannot improve to at the very least challenging an under performing Kennedy for number one, what was the point of giving him a contract. He now has a senior professional contract and he needs to be judged by that standard would Velaphi, Acton, Margush, Birighitti, Delianov, Italiano, White, Theo, Oldfield, Scott, Cisak, Sail, Henderson, Tyson, Bray have done a better job? Personally I think all would have. While I will let him off the hook for the first goal, considering it got a deflection, he had to do better for the second he made barely any second effort to stop it. He made a couple of great saves to deny Krishna and looks to have at least improved the setting of his walls, but he doesn't command his box well especially for such a tall keeper. His distribution was atrocious but we needlessly passed it back to him on so many occasions even when we knew that his distribution was a problematic part of his game. Considering he is contracted and if Gauci and Munford are nowhere near ready for the A-League I think we should start him for at least the next five games to see if he is capable of playing at this level, if not then I think his time is up.

Jake McGing:
I was impressed by Jake McGing today, I thought he fought hard for the ball and was close to being our best, his defensive positioning was good and he never gave his opponents and inch.

Kalifa Cisse:
Constantly out of position and constantly gave the ball away despite minimal pressure, should be dropped next week, made a couple of good tackles and improved a bit in the second half but frankly was an atrocious performance from a much heralded foreign player. If he is not significantly better than a young Australian player we could have signed then what is the point of him being here?

Kye Rowles:
Terrible defensive positioning for much of the match and seemingly had no concept of where to position himself when players ran at him with the ball. Made some good tackles but needs to improve.

Classy review JP. Sadly agree on all counts. Only thing was that I thought Rowles wasn't quite as bad and made some good runs to cover Cisse.

Rowdy nailed it on the Nix's three man press on our back three. Ludicrously easy to put us under pressure and then shut down the short balls wide. We were strangled with ridiculous ease. And OH is right, you either have to change shape. Play long. Or have a deep holding DM to provide link play and or let a CB go past his pressing man and bomb on himself. Instead frustrated players who can't link start dropping back further and further until you could throw a bloody blanket over 3 or 4 players many times.

Then to compound things when we did make a pass, we had no one who could keep the ball in the middle under pressure. O'Neil tried hard but he can't do it alone and was isolated as Weemac was not up to the challenge – couldn't believe he wasn't hooked earlier. His movement was poor. Mostly received the ball standing flat, would move two yards, turn back under pressure and pass short, flat or backwards for 90% of the time. And the same with Matty – who was done at 50 minutes to my eye. Matty is so easily marked and made ineffective. Needs a strike partner or forget it. He's lost the mobility he used to have and so while he still competes aerially, he opens up very little space even if he does win a ball. Krishna in comparison... constantly stretching our defence and creating space for others and to mount an attack. This has been missing all year from our side. Only Connor has used his pace and been able to force defences to turn and get us started.

Weemac used to be a technical cut above the majority of HAL players, but the league has progressed and that is no longer true, throw in the fact he's short several yards and never had physical strength on his side... and today he proved that he offers less than Shabow, and very likely McDonald, Kekeris and Nisbet as well. Nix easily out enthused us.

Matty... I can't fault his heart, work rate or how he contests for the ball... but just look at what Krishna did for the Nix in comparison. Matty didn't even get a single shot off in 94 minutes. He didn't even look like he might. Honestly, he didn't even look like he ever even thought about it. He's not functioning as a striker. Better off putting Murray there instead of playing him out of position at RM.

I really don't enjoy saying this, but Weemac and Matty were our two biggest liabilities today and while I can see the rationale and applaud the idea of bringing in great characters to help rebuild our team ethos around, the experiment has now been run and has sadly failed on field. Also Cisse, our other 'leader' on today's performance has clearly gone a year too far. Just too slow. That's 3 senior leaders in our spine who were badly outshone. That's a huge issue when so many other players are young and or green.

As to hope for the future... it's seriously grim. We're very weak on field. I'd hate to be Mulvey. He saw an issue, cultural problems etc... but too many plans have come undone.... Matty, Weemac, Ross, Oar, Cisse, Golec, Gameiro... and even good plans fail sometimes. Unfortunately, this new squad already needs to be renewed. And maybe MM. How does he come back from this?

 

[Fadetoblack944]

Just listened to the post match presser (as now i've come back from the angry place i was in from the loss), with MMM saying now he is going to give youth a go next week. I hope this means shabow, macdonald, murray either pierce or Gaucci start

 

[Big Al]

Just listened to the post match presser (as now i've come back from the angry place i was in from the loss), with MMM saying now he is going to give youth a go next week. I hope this means shabow, macdonald, murray either pierce or Gaucci start

Please and this is not just you.

No one ever use MMM again.

It’s undeserved

Thanks

 

[Big Al]

Just listened to the post match presser (as now i've come back from the angry place i was in from the loss), with MMM saying now he is going to give youth a go next week. I hope this means shabow, macdonald, murray either pierce or Gaucci start

Shabow has been lively with his cameos. He defends and when he receives the ball he turns opend up and dribbles forward with his head up.

His play where he hit that drive that forced a good save was some really good stuff.

He deserves a go.

 

[Offsider]

Charlesworth is not responsible for hoof ball that always goes to the opposition.

It’s squarely on Mulvey. He knew the money situation. He just wanted to know if his own cheque would clear.

He had Tom and fCked him.

Had McCormack and used him at #10

I don’t need to go on. We know the rest

I don’t like the way mulvey standing with arms folded and offering a stern handshake to players being subbed off. Most coaches give their players a five or slap on the shoulders, some sort of consolation.

It is not the sort of greeting you would expect from a coach whose aim was to instill culture.

This is not a conspiracy theory.

 

[Offsider]

Aiden O'Neil was my MOM ... 'Better Performer' of what was an overall shite peformance.

Mulvey must have agreed because he subbed him off .

 

[Ancient Mariner]

That was tough to watch, for the most part we fought hard for the ball but kept giving the ball away with simple skill errors that professional players shouldn't be making, the Bentleigh Greens are a mile above us just in simple pass completion.

Adam Pearce:
It's pretty clear that Pearce isn't ready for the A-League, will he ever be? He has been with us for four seasons now, if he cannot improve to at the very least challenging an under performing Kennedy for number one, what was the point of giving him a contract. He now has a senior professional contract and he needs to be judged by that standard would Velaphi, Acton, Margush, Birighitti, Delianov, Italiano, White, Theo, Oldfield, Scott, Cisak, Sail, Henderson, Tyson, Bray have done a better job? Personally I think all would have. While I will let him off the hook for the first goal, considering it got a deflection, he had to do better for the second he made barely any second effort to stop it. He made a couple of great saves to deny Krishna and looks to have at least improved the setting of his walls, but he doesn't command his box well especially for such a tall keeper. His distribution was atrocious but we needlessly passed it back to him on so many occasions even when we knew that his distribution was a problematic part of his game. Considering he is contracted and if Gauci and Munford are nowhere near ready for the A-League I think we should start him for at least the next five games to see if he is capable of playing at this level, if not then I think his time is up.

Jake McGing:
I was impressed by Jake McGing today, I thought he fought hard for the ball and was close to being our best, his defensive positioning was good and he never gave his opponents and inch.

Kalifa Cisse:
Constantly out of position and constantly gave the ball away despite minimal pressure, should be dropped next week, made a couple of good tackles and improved a bit in the second half but frankly was an atrocious performance from a much heralded foreign player. If he is not significantly better than a young Australian player we could have signed then what is the point of him being here?

Kye Rowles:
Terrible defensive positioning for much of the match and seemingly had no concept of where to position himself when players ran at him with the ball. Made some good tackles but needs to improve.

Jack Clisby:
Battled manfully for the ball and always gave the opposition player a contest but also gave away some silly and unneeded fouls. Clisby has always struggled with his crossing, it was his biggest problem at the Wanderers and why they let him go, why are we expecting him to play so many pin point ones? He has his defensive strengths but we are asking him to do far too much when going forward. I do not understand why we are asking him to take our free kicks and corners, McGlinchey is a specialist free kick tacker, why are we not utilizing him?

Matthew Millar:
Always looked dangerous when he had the ball and was our most direct and positive player in possession. Was our best player for me, tirelessly ran all night and made some good combinations with Connor Pain.

Michael McGlinchy:
He is not a central midfielder and cannot tackle, I cannot understand why we persist with him there, is Adam Berry that bad? When we had possession he looked aimlessly and failed to get into good passing areas for his teammates.

Aidan O'Neill:
Should have closed down the initial shot for the first goal better but overall put in a decent defensive performance and positioned himself quite well. For a player developed in a Premier League academy and who has played in the Premier League he gives the ball away too often with simple skill errors.

Connor Pain:
Looked dangerous when he got the ball but rarely had any, when given an opportunity he was dangerous and looked our most likely to provide an assist.

Matt Simon:
Looked slow and his combinations with Murray, apart from in the air, were abysmal. Looked like he had never even trained with Murray let alone played with him. Considering for much of pre-season they looked like our front two, how is that possible? He was good in the air, as he always is, but if he is going to continue as a starting A-League player he has to offer more than that.

Jordan Murray:
Fashioned some good opportunities for himself but was left completely isolated surrounded by Phoenix defenders far too often. He held the ball up terrifically well and ran at defenders well, only to have nearly no options. Would be good to see him starting up front with Pain and Hoole as wingers.

Andrew Hoole:
Didn't offer much when he came on but made a few decent dribbles.

Mario Shabow:
Had a small impact when he came on but gave the ball away a few times. Was at least positive in possession but was weirdly often positioned at left full back. Was willing to take on players and made Kurto work with a good shot from outside the box.

Josh MacDonald:
Produced a dangerous cross from a corner for probably our only real chance of the game. Didn't look out of place at A-League level and wouldn't mind seeing him on the bench again next week.

Mike Mulvey:
Our tactics were poor, and worked out within the first fifteen minutes, seemingly our only forward strategy is to hoof it long to Simon and hope he can head it down. Our defense was porous and the injury excuses do not hold true, this was going to be our squad without the extra late investment from Charlesworth. It feels like Tony Walmsley is back in charge because we seem to have no game plan or if we do we have absolutely no idea how to execute it. Frankly I think Cisse should have been dragged at half time, or at least some sort of change should have been made at half time, our subs felt late and like we were out of ideas. I think we need to give Mulvey the same amount of leeway we gave Walmsley, if not we will become even more of a poisoned chalice for prospective coaches.

What scares me is I cannot see our season getting any better from here, I cannot see us getting a win this season unless by some miracle. I am afraid for the future of our football club if horrific records keep tumbling. We will have to compete for players with WMG next season, we need to find a reason why we would be a better option for top NPL talent and frankly right now I cannot think of one. I am terrified for our future, I cannot see a way out of this.

Great summation and post JP. Agree with all of it especially the last two paragraphs. Last night I posted a lot of crap due to literally being tired and emotional, not pissed but pissed off.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Half our members = 3000 investors @ $4000 to buy in = 12 million
Was crunching numbers on this at half time

But then we need an operating budget. And we're a bloody hard sell.

*EDIT - was typing as JP and Middy responded. Agree with JP. I don't think based on the 12 mill buy out fee it could ever be feasible. The club would need to go bust first and be worthless, only then would it be remotely possible I think.



Classy review JP. Sadly agree on all counts. Only thing was that I thought Rowles wasn't quite as bad and made some good runs to cover Cisse.

Rowdy nailed it on the Nix's three man press on our back three. Ludicrously easy to put us under pressure and then shut down the short balls wide. We were strangled with ridiculous ease. And OH is right, you either have to change shape. Play long. Or have a deep holding DM to provide link play and or let a CB go past his pressing man and bomb on himself. Instead frustrated players who can't link start dropping back further and further until you could throw a bloody blanket over 3 or 4 players many times.

Then to compound things when we did make a pass, we had no one who could keep the ball in the middle under pressure. O'Neil tried hard but he can't do it alone and was isolated as Weemac was not up to the challenge – couldn't believe he wasn't hooked earlier. His movement was poor. Mostly received the ball standing flat, would move two yards, turn back under pressure and pass short, flat or backwards for 90% of the time. And the same with Matty – who was done at 50 minutes to my eye. Matty is so easily marked and made ineffective. Needs a strike partner or forget it. He's lost the mobility he used to have and so while he still competes aerially, he opens up very little space even if he does win a ball. Krishna in comparison... constantly stretching our defence and creating space for others and to mount an attack. This has been missing all year from our side. Only Connor has used his pace and been able to force defences to turn and get us started.

Weemac used to be a technical cut above the majority of HAL players, but the league has progressed and that is no longer true, throw in the fact he's short several yards and never had physical strength on his side... and today he proved that he offers less than Shabow, and very likely McDonald, Kekeris and Nisbet as well. Nix easily out enthused us.

Matty... I can't fault his heart, work rate or how he contests for the ball... but just look at what Krishna did for the Nix in comparison. Matty didn't even get a single shot off in 94 minutes. He didn't even look like he might. Honestly, he didn't even look like he ever even thought about it. He's not functioning as a striker. Better off putting Murray there instead of playing him out of position at RM.

I really don't enjoy saying this, but Weemac and Matty were our two biggest liabilities today and while I can see the rationale and applaud the idea of bringing in great characters to help rebuild our team ethos around, the experiment has now been run and has sadly failed on field. Also Cisse, our other 'leader' on today's performance has clearly gone a year too far. Just too slow. That's 3 senior leaders in our spine who were badly outshone. That's a huge issue when so many other players are young and or green.

As to hope for the future... it's seriously grim. We're very weak on field. I'd hate to be Mulvey. He saw an issue, cultural problems etc... but too many plans have come undone.... Matty, Weemac, Ross, Oar, Cisse, Golec, Gameiro... and even good plans fail sometimes. Unfortunately, this new squad already needs to be renewed. And maybe MM. How does he come back from this?

Another insightful piece, and very spot on.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

REDDY and Galloway were mistakes. the others are shit and will be found out

Wombat, I fully agree. However I think the point I was trying to make is they are better than what we have on the pitch now.

I think you could hunt up 11 players that are still around that we have let go over the last few years and they would rip yesterdays team apart.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Just listened to the post match presser (as now i've come back from the angry place i was in from the loss), with MMM saying now he is going to give youth a go next week. I hope this means shabow, macdonald, murray either pierce or Gaucci start

I think this is the only possible way out of the hole he has dug. But he has to to give them a go, not just next week, but for the rest of the season. It is time to face up to the fact that the older players are past it.
I hope the coaching staff are good enough to bring them forward.

 

[turbo]

Matty, Weemac, Ross, Oar, Cisse, Golec, Gameiro... and even good plans fail sometimes.

I don’t believe the first two were good plans at all nevermind being lined up to start. There was talk of rebuilding the culture but we effectively dumped Simon and didn’t McGlinchey sue us? Can’t imagine either was super keen to come back but it’s better than early retirement.

Ross seemed opportunistic but then we never worked out how to use him and when we played him at 10 his outlet was Simon not someone like Murray.

Gameiro was always going to be a longer term prospect and probably cheap but I don’t think MM expected such a poor start to the season, if we were sitting in 8th no one would be worried about when he was ready because we would have done something right. Same for Aspro.

Cisse has been hot and cold and Golec needs to find a way to get back to his form from last year, it wasn’t perfect but it was better than this.

The worrying thing is I (like others) don’t see a way out at the moment. It sounds like we’re going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks which is desperation. Charlesworth won’t want to spend on a write off season like this but if he doesn’t how does MM and the fan base recover for next season? Keep going the way we are and you’ll start losing even the most patient supporters.

 

[Offsider]

if we were sitting in 8th no one would be worried about when he was ready because we would have done something right. Same for Aspro.

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There is the answer. A realistic position for a crap coach and team (through no fault of the team’s own doing.)

Bricks have been put in place to cease the flood of crap. The new fitness guy might get the long term injuries onto the park and cease the short term ones........... this will allow mulvey to at least put the team he envisiged on the park.

It will be interesting to see the result of the McCormack and Hiaerij injuries and the transfer window.......... but at least by the end of january we should have mulvey’s preferred team on the park with what is left. The upside between now and then is the game time the younger and npl guys get, noting that mulvey’s comments of giving the kids a go could have just been a deflection of attitude that nobody would want to argue with.

Nothing can be done now about the abysmal recruiting except to try and maximise the npl players and ditch the failed culture experiment and faty2.

I would get on board the support bandwagon if management, and by that I mean the owner, or somebody speaking on behalf of the owner, to come out and own their decisions, let us all know his future plans for the club (read “his team”) .

I would settle for an attempt to finish eight of ten.

 

[tim...]

Well in recent years Newcastle and Adelaide have changed hands, are you suggesting there’s no interest there at a reasonable price? Everything is for sale at the right price but that’s not the same as a realistic price.

It should go without saying that Adelaide and Newcastle have larger supporter bases and a deeper range of corporate support opportunities to pull from, which would no doubt affect the value of our club should MC be trying to sell it.

 

[tim...]

Sorry, that IS NOT the correct address for CCMariners FC !

We ARE NOW located just down the round at the Tuggerah Treatment Works.

..... where the 'aroma' is more appropriate

The question was about posting wooden spoons - that PO Box is absolutely correct. The physical address changed, PO Box did not.

 

[turbo]

It should go without saying that Adelaide and Newcastle have larger supporter bases and a deeper range of corporate support opportunities to pull from, which would no doubt affect the value of our club should MC be trying to sell it.

Newcastle doesn’t have that much more population to draw from and I’m not sold on them having so many more corporate connections either. There’s no reason we can’t pull 5 figure crowds or close to it on a regular basis if a new owner was to invest in the club and really push the community angle. We’ve got just as much opportunity to develop and sell players as any other team as well.

We don’t need to be the top team but we do need to be competitive and more often than not finish in a respectable position.

 

[priorpeter]

Not enough to tell from that angle. If it was any other team we would have had the CGI line. Personally I think it still looks offside, but not conclusive without visual aids.

We are actual visual AIDS.

 

[Wombat]

Can Tony Denny or John Singleton take us off pikey's hands. A local owner is what we need. The opportunities to make money from us are massive.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

We are actual visual AIDS.

Now now, don't be intolerant.
These days, with medication, people with HIV can still live a long and productive life.
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Moreso than this club at this rate.....

 

[style_cafe]

It`s a sad state of affairs.
The worst start to a A League season ever.
I`ve been saying for years that we always seem to have a shit preseason and this year was no different.
We need to recruit early, get our players super fit and have strong opposition preseason.
That way we get some momentum from the getgo and not have to hope for a win to kick start a season when we`re on the bottom 5 -6 points from second last

 

[Michael]

Can Tony Denny or John Singleton take us off pikey's hands. A local owner is what we need. The opportunities to make money from us are massive.

Singo gave us Aloisi in his prime, what an exciting year that was.
#bringbacksingo