NYE double header vs Cold Hearted Killers

[Big Al]

The CMs are a huge part of them being out of sync. I can cop that for Kuol / Edmo but I don’t think Steele can hide behind that one

Agree and Fair enough but tell me which passes he doesn’t make forward that he should. There is never anyone there, especially in a back 3/5

 

[turbo]

Agree and Fair enough but tell me which passes he doesn’t make forward that he should. There is never anyone there, especially in a back 3/5

There’s plenty of times there is someone there but our midfield opts for the safe option and kills any chance of momentum. That goes across the board not just Steele. Storm did it quite a few times as well.

I think the fairest comparison for Steele is watch him and Alfie. For me Alfie seems to be getting himself in to better supporting positions and more often goes forward even if it means turning or beating his man. A CM needs to do more than just laying it off to the next person in a great spot sometimes they need to create that space or numerical advantage and I think that’s where Steele has been falling down. That’s especially true this year compared to last where it was easier to be a conduit and still look effective.

I’m not trying to put the bloke down and he’s done some great work for us including the goal last night but at the same time I don’t see our fortunes dramatically improving while he is starting.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

There’s plenty of times there is someone there but our midfield opts for the safe option and kills any chance of momentum. That goes across the board not just Steele. Storm did it quite a few times as well.

I think the fairest comparison for Steele is watch him and Alfie. For me Alfie seems to be getting himself in to better supporting positions and more often goes forward even if it means turning or beating his man. A CM needs to do more than just laying it off to the next person in a great spot sometimes they need to create that space or numerical advantage and I think that’s where Steele has been falling down. That’s especially true this year compared to last where it was easier to be a conduit and still look effective.

I’m not trying to put the bloke down and he’s done some great work for us including the goal last night but at the same time I don’t see our fortunes dramatically improving while he is starting.

Exactly this. For most of the Brisbane game Both Storm and Harry were slow on the ball, some here even commented on how they allowed the defence to get set. One great cross from Storm to a great piece of positioning by Harry and they are in the points.
I thought that Alfie had a much better game than both of them.
Likewise, last week Wilson hits a solid strike and all of a sudden he is the answer to our striker issues.
Paramount do it all the time with their player ratings. Someone can be having a dog of a game but if they score they go to the top of the class.
I prefer to reward those who put in the often unsung, competent work skilfully throughout the game.

 

[Spacks]

Exactly this. For most of the Brisbane game Both Storm and Harry were slow on the ball, some here even commented on how they allowed the defence to get set. One great cross from Storm to a great piece of positioning by Harry and they are in the points.
I thought that Alfie had a much better game than both of them.
Likewise, last week Wilson hits a solid strike and all of a sudden he is the answer to our striker issues.
Paramount do it all the time with their player ratings. Someone can be having a dog of a game but if they score they go to the top of the class.
I prefer to reward those who put in the often unsung, competent work skilfully throughout the game.

That player index is dogshit, does not account for little moments in games like a little turn to beat a man. No measurement for nuance.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

That player index is dogshit, does not account for little moments in games like a little turn to beat a man. No measurement for nuance.

Its a fantasy football counter. It only measures key moments - goals, assists, saves.

Giving it oxygen only makes it seem more important than it really is.

 

[turbo]

Likewise, last week Wilson hits a solid strike and all of a sudden he is the answer to our striker issues.

Wilson stood out last week for his injection of energy and care factor. Unfortunately that’s where we’re at for now being happy when someone is fired up and trying to play.

 

[Meerkat]

Wilson stood out last week for his injection of energy and care factor. Unfortunately that’s where we’re at for now being happy when someone is fired up and trying to play.

You are absolutely spot on..

 

[Ozhammer]

That player index is dogshit, does not account for little moments in games like a little turn to beat a man. No measurement for nuance.

And don’t even get me started on that retarded XG bollox

 

[Stuartmcateer]

And don’t even get me started on that retarded XG bollox

I'm not totally against xG but I don't like the way they use it.

They use it as sort of an aggregate across the game, whereas I see it more as a point in time.

1v1 with the keeper 16 yards out has a high "expected" goal. A shot from 25 with a well positioned keeper and 3 defenders in front is low. And that's not even taking into account all the other variables - if it's a finisher like Berisha compared to a low conversion striker like kuol, speed of the ball, position it's delivered to, bouncing ball etc.

But those 2 events don't average themselves out - it's still 1 high and one low, not 2 mediums.

Gives Tara a bit more time on screen talking about something instead of dead air so I guess we can keep it.

 

[pjennings]

I'm not totally against xG but I don't like the way they use it.

They use it as sort of an aggregate across the game, whereas I see it more as a point in time.

1v1 with the keeper 16 yards out has a high "expected" goal. A shot from 25 with a well positioned keeper and 3 defenders in front is low. And that's not even taking into account all the other variables - if it's a finisher like Berisha compared to a low conversion striker like kuol, speed of the ball, position it's delivered to, bouncing ball etc.

But those 2 events don't average themselves out - it's still 1 high and one low, not 2 mediums.

Gives Tara a bit more time on screen talking about something instead of dead air so I guess we can keep it.

The way I understand it is more a longer time statistic. If your team has an xG for the season of 18.6 but you have scored 25 then your team are performing efficiently in front of goal. If however they have only scored 13 you have a problem.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Like technical analysis for investing.
Not untrue and reflective of past performance.
Can't predict the future.
Dice do not have a memory.

 

[Stuartmcateer]

The way I understand it is more a longer time statistic. If your team has an xG for the season of 18.6 but you have scored 25 then your team are performing efficiently in front of goal. If however they have only scored 13 you have a problem.

Watching the coverage, i have seen it change during a game based on possession and chances that are created.

For performance in front of goals it's more about conversation rates eg we scored 20 from 100 shots vs scoring 10 from 100.

using goals scored across a long time doesn't account for the unexpected goals - like DPC dropping one through his hands. That's a low xG situation but would raise the xG over a season as it counts as a goal. Its kind of like our possession stat - sure we have possession for 60% of the game, but 90% of that is passing across our back 4 or backwards 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[dlanod]

It's only really interesting as an example of the quality of the shots you're generating. A lot of free kicks from outside the box vs close in shots. A big differential means someone's either out/underperforming, un/lucky, or the keeper is good/crap, but there's no real way to tell which without actually watching the footage.