New academy!!!!!!!

[goingtoadisco]

That sort of thing will take time, it will have to be at least a joint effort with lightning to start with imho.

 

[Rowdy]

Not really, FNSW aren't particularly fond of the association up here, owing money and such. Penang FC was given the green light in the hope it would offer another alternative.

For it's population/registration #'s there should be another club up here anyway. Coasties and Mingara ran for a number of seasons and had enough quality players each to compete in the premier Youth League concurrently. They were only forced to merge by FNSW for financial reasons because both couldn't run themselves viably.

Now, people from the Mariners administration running a State League club........bills paid on time.

 

[Kareem]

overseas models are a good idea. EPL is not however as they have a very different funding basisand very different circumstances, and do we realy want our junior development to resemble the english national team lol ? 

i think the answer is proabaly asia, japan have great youth development structures in place but they cost more money then you can imagine !

I was using EPL as an eg.
Man City, West Ham- 2 of best academy's in the world...lampard, joe cole, wright phillips etc.
although if you had to name one outstanding club (and I hate to admit it)(I am a madrid fan)
Barca! Messi, Krkic, Dos Santos, Pique, Fabregas, Merida (next Fabregas)

 

[dibo]

Not really, FNSW aren't particularly fond of the association up here, owing money and such. Penang FC was given the green light in the hope it would offer another alternative.

For it's population/registration #'s there should be another club up here anyway. Coasties and Mingara ran for a number of seasons and had enough quality players each to compete in the premier Youth League concurrently. They were only forced to merge by FNSW for financial reasons because both couldn't run themselves viably.

Now, people from the Mariners administration running a State League club........bills paid on time.

300k operating surplus reinvested... *whistles*

you could do a lot with that, and with the mariners linked in it offers a way for corporates to get in on the ground floor with a recognised and respected brand too.

 

[midfielder]

I think most are very close and where the main difference is in the use of the word Academy.

No one has any trouble with the concept, no one has any real problem of a fee being charges we can argue about the profit in the figure but not about a fee of some kind.

The advantages will be many and long term will produce hopefully a number of quality players and be excellent training for a number of coaches who outside this program would get little exposure to the programs they will be working with. Meaning when they return to their association clubs these skills will also be passed on to other coaches and the teams they coach.

My argument is if you run an "Elite player coaching clinic" then thats what it is .......... and to call it a Mariners academy is fanciful and miss leading language  to what I expect are reasonably football knowledgeable people.  My earlier post describes what I believe is what a common understanding of a Major national team training academy is and it is not a "Elite player coaching clinic".

So simply market it for what it is it will still fill

 

[Rowdy]

300k operating surplus reinvested... *whistles*

you could do a lot with that, and with the mariners linked in it offers a way for corporates to get in on the ground floor with a recognised and respected brand too.

BINGO! and once you've got the corporates in, the Mariners can then pull their investment levels back to a minimum/moderate level and still have the underlying control/direction of the club.  win/win

 

[Bex]

"Mindlessly twisting your post".......ffs

You compare a $750 set of fricking go-kart tyres that last 2 fricking races to a Football Academy fee that goes for 20 something weeks as if it's apples for apples, then THINK nothing of it.

There your words, not mine. Its an 'opinion' which is similar to others, not an agenda & as Keensy also posted, yours is a pretty big strrreeeeetch of a comparison, sorta like comparing apples with....well...er .....go-karts.

Think your in need of one your pills and 'good lie down'

Okay, new day so I'll bite. I can't help but think you're taking the piss though; pretty simple concept I'm talking about.

The difference in cost and the range of sports that are more expensive than football is the point I was making. Karting and football are both sports that you can start your kids in. Bikinigirl understood what I was on about. As she said, you could pick heaps of different sports that are many times more expensive than football. But hey, I just happen to know about karting.

Okay, look at it from another angle. Tell me which sport in Australia in which you could get training on this level (i.e. from one of the best teams in a well supported, televised national competition) for 12 x 2 hour sessions for $750.00 or less. Thats $31.25 per hour HOWEVER, it also includes "a Mariners branded training kit for the duration of their stay at the Mariners Academy, a Mariners cap, boot bag, drink bottle and detailed feedback report from Mariners Academy coaches at the conclusion of the course."

By comparison, a golf lesson at a local golf club can cost over $100 for 1 hour. Now I'm no expert on golf lessions, but I would presume they give you nothing and the guy teaching you is one of thousands of golfers of similar standard. And I know, golf can also considered a sport associated with money. Again, that is the point. Football is relatively insulated from those costs and is more even than a lot of other sports.

And just to repeat what I said before before you get off your bike again, I do agree that the Academy should be subsidised, so it follows that it should be relatively cheap.

The comment was made by someone else that, if you make it free, its your perogative to sack the bludgers. Problem is, the bludger has just wasted weeks of academy sessions. And its not necessarily as easy as just sacking someone anyway.

And okay, I don't want to disadvantage a brilliant player because he/she hasn't got money, but you could take that argument as far as you like. People with mental illness or living in war torn countries may also be brilliant football players, but what are we going to do for them? The answer is that we can't do much, so its clear a line has to be drawn somewhere.

 

[Bex]

I dont have a problem with the Mariners charging $750 and making money.

Oh good, I'm glad we finally agree ;D

 

[Bex]

300k operating surplus reinvested... *whistles*

you could do a lot with that, and with the mariners linked in it offers a way for corporates to get in on the ground floor with a recognised and respected brand too.

BINGO! and once you've got the corporates in, the Mariners can then pull their investment levels back to a minimum/moderate level and still have the underlying control/direction of the club.  win/win

And lets hope they do that once they have some stability in their business. Imagine if they set this up, charged nothing in the first year, had a bad year on the field and went bust or had serious money trouble. That wouldn't be any good for football's future either.

 

[Bladesman]

Having been involved in Junior coaching in the UK with a professional club the way it was set up over there reflects what a number of people have mentioned.  We had community coaching clinics, you payed to attend these and they were open to all.  Generally they tended to be run in school holidays and over summer. 

We also had an Academy, this was a by invitation only set up which was funded by the club to coach the "elite" players.

The clear destiction was the community based ones were not sold on the lines of if you attend this you are an elite player who has the chance to progress to the football league, however it was known that we would be scouting players for the academy there.

What is been offered by the mariners seems to be a bit of a blur between the 2 - you must have played A grade to get in (not sure this is a great indicator) but apart from that it is open to anyone that pays and the marketing does suggest that if you make it you are on the road to the A-league because you are the best.

I certainly think that having the mariners run the elite accademy is the correct model but it needs to be done certianly in conjunction with the 2 associations CCF and NSW otherwise as people have also mentioned the potential to completely rip apart the rep teams is there.

 

[Jorome Alexander Bennett]

This is a good start.

It's not an academy. It's many clinics.

But over time it'll be converted into an academy I hope.

Until the kids have regular games it's not any different from all the other clinics. Which is fine.

but I think over time it will become an academy. When there are games to be played, sponsors on board, costs for the kiddies cut and scouting and selections applied this will be great.

 

[offtheball]

2) f**k over the rep side and the association in the process (strangle its flow of juniors and starve it of revenue)

CCF manage to do this very successfully to themselves.

 

[Jesus]

overseas models are a good idea. EPL is not however as they have a very different funding basisand very different circumstances, and do we realy want our junior development to resemble the english national team lol ? 

i think the answer is proabaly asia, japan have great youth development structures in place but they cost more money then you can imagine !

I was using EPL as an eg.
Man City, West Ham- 2 of best academy's in the world...lampard, joe cole, wright phillips etc.
although if you had to name one outstanding club (and I hate to admit it)(I am a madrid fan)
Barca! Messi, Krkic, Dos Santos, Pique, Fabregas, Merida (next Fabregas)

Barce do have a good one, but ajax is the bomb

 

[Jesus]

Having been involved in Junior coaching in the UK with a professional club the way it was set up over there reflects what a number of people have mentioned.  We had community coaching clinics, you payed to attend these and they were open to all.  Generally they tended to be run in school holidays and over summer. 

We also had an Academy, this was a by invitation only set up which was funded by the club to coach the "elite" players.

The clear destiction was the community based ones were not sold on the lines of if you attend this you are an elite player who has the chance to progress to the football league, however it was known that we would be scouting players for the academy there.

What is been offered by the mariners seems to be a bit of a blur between the 2 - you must have played A grade to get in (not sure this is a great indicator) but apart from that it is open to anyone that pays and the marketing does suggest that if you make it you are on the road to the A-league because you are the best.

I certainly think that having the mariners run the elite accademy is the correct model but it needs to be done certianly in conjunction with the 2 associations CCF and NSW otherwise as people have also mentioned the potential to completely rip apart the rep teams is there.

They wont be taking 200 kids. If 200 kids apply for an age group, it will go on merit no doubt.

750 aint that much to pay. Though i would assume it will become cheaper as corperates become involved.

Why would we be so concerned with the use of the word academy? Academies take many different forms. I have no doubt that this is only the 2nd stage of its developement. There will be growth in it when the money is there until it is a full academy.