Things won’t change without meaningful change. We have been saying it for five years now.The ship is sinking and the man that has told us not to worry about the rising water is meant to be followed?
I don't believe things will be changing but I will still support and attend when I can because that's what we do. But I don't have faith.
All good, we're out of the "warzone" phase.If people are going to go to blows about this please remove it. I don't want the site to turn into a warzone.
Thanks dude, I'll keep that in mind. Won't be a regular thing thoughAll good, we're out of the "warzone" phase.
I have it on my huge list of things I'd like to do with the forum "polls" so pretty much like this one. Gets discussion going and a bit of fun to see where everyone else is voting.
Not everyone will reply to a discussion but might be more inclined to vote, so its a good way to get more people involved.
If you (or anyone) think of any more go ahead and post more.
I don't understand why he is pushing for it anyway given he's spending on the floor of the cap. The benefit of having the cap is so that teams like FC don't receive enormous investments and get the best players and facilities, the gap is already big enough. You can't have the big clubs running away from the smaller clubs.Still stumps me about Charlesworth wanting a no salary cap league.
I know it might increase the interest for him to sell.
But who thinks it’s just another ‘well timed’ article/media release to distract from the poor ness and maybe give a little hope?
I know businesses can use other entities or businesses as tax write offs, etc.
Is there a chance that MC isn’t actually loosing 1mil per year?
As in the football stats will show that but than clever accounting gets him back to square?
I agree, the cap is a farce. However, MC will use no cap to spend even less. That buys even worse footballers than we currently have. The bloke isnt fit to own a clubI don't understand why he is pushing for it anyway given he's spending on the floor of the cap. The benefit of having the cap is so that teams like FC don't receive enormous investments and get the best players and facilities, the gap is already big enough. You can't have the big clubs running away from the smaller clubs.
That said, there's so many "exceptions" so is there even any point?
Thank you for sharing that about Ziggy. That's fantastic. I love that as the season has gone on, we've all supported him more - and that he seems like such a fantastic guy off the field.I voted yes not because I have or feel any real connection with MC, I’ve never met him and struggle to understand why you might own a football club on the other side of the globe and show very little interest (at least publicly) by failing to attend any games (why not spend at least a few weeks here in person enjoying the lifestyle and taking an active on the ground interest in the club?).
Notwithstanding the above, without MC CCM may well not exist or we might be a distant memory as the former location of the “Canberra Mariners” (or whatever). Whatever the club’s position, my love of CCM is a reflection of my love of the coast and, if CCM fails, we will be very unlikely to ever get a pro sports team on the coast again. That would be dreadful and something I would have great difficulty accepting. MC is not perfect, from from it, however, he owns the club, saved it from extinction and deserves some level of respect. That said, he also needs to listen to our concerns and show us what he is doing to make things right.
If true fans want to help the club then encourage everyone you know to come to a game and get behind the club in every way you can. Buy a jersey (from the club), support sponsors and work collectively to assist pulling the club out of its current predicament. What do you all think?
As an aside, on Sunday after the game, I took my eldest son (11) and mother (grandma) down to the fence to get the boy’s ball signed. All of the players were friendly and happy to chat and sign the ball. A special word for Ziggy, however, when he stopped in front of my 80 years old mum and she said “we come every week and will always support you” to which Ziggy took her hand and with great sincerity said “thank you ma’am, that means the world to us”. I suggest we find 10 more Ziggy’s (no easy task) who truly care and, as fans and the team we all work together to help get this club back on track.
This is what I have been pondering recently too, but haven't wanted to air it before thinking it through properly. There may be other explanations but I really can't see any evidence to rule this idea out yet.Still stumps me about Charlesworth wanting a no salary cap league.
I know it might increase the interest for him to sell.
I firmly believe the situation we have found ourselves in is not only on the club's leadership. There has been no help from the FFA and many of their decisions over many years and regimes have hurt the club. Similarly Central Coast Council have purportedly gone out of their way to pay NRL clubs to play at CCS. If they paid the Mariners the same per match as I have heard and the Mariners didn't have to pay north of $500,000 to play at the stadium the club would be around $2m a year better off. Now I am not expecting that - but your anchor tenant should not be subsidising other sports to play at the Stadium. That is without the hurdles that have been put up at the COE.My teams over the years that I have supported at Auburn, Blacktown Demons, The Northern Spirit & The Mariners.
Mine were APIA and Balmain (NSWRL) being a good Five Dock boy working in Leichhardt
My loyalty is to Football more than the Mariners.
To me my loyalty is to the Mariners (representing my home) and the National Teams
Today Australian Football in a world of hurt mostly self inflicted. Since 1955 when a certain Frank Lowy established a competition essentially of well supported and backed owners we as a Football nation left the notion of association Football where your regional association represented your local area. In the 70's another attempt was made to form a national professional Football competition and thus the NSL under Soccer Australia was created.
The NSL fell over and Frank Lowy came back for his third attempt i.e. the A-League and despite the letters of protest from Les Murry to Frank Lowy the Central Coast gained a spot instead of a western Sydney bid of former NSL clubs.
We gained Wollongong's spot not Western Sydney's when Wollongong refused to put in the bid for a spot made for them. I think that if there were two clubs in Sydney from the beginning the Smurfs would be a very small club. Bringing in WSW later was a good move. Conversely Victory should have had competition in Melbourne.
As a club we don't have a god given right to be in division 1.... today the Mariners are part of iHals problems we bring very little to the table and those wanting P & R, rightly point to our short comings.
P & R is a furphy until their is a 2nd division running along side the HAL. At that stage I will support P & R but 120 clubs around Australia spreads the talent too thin.
All teams under their licence agreement with FFA signed off on achieving certain metrics, while arguably no one aside from MV met basic levels, the Mariners metrics are woeful in terms of crowds, media space and ratings.
If we don't improve deep within my soul I believe we will be kicked out.
I don't agree - I can't imagine the iHAL being formed in a way that would allow people to invest millions and then be kicked out to no longer exist. I see a different scenario. Next season we will be at 12 teams. The following year I think we will go to 14 teams and the NSD will start. At the end of that year I can see us being relegated.
Hand on heart not the other thing we are a decent state league team and have been for quite a while.
I suspect your hand is is on the latter. Our NSL golden boot is struggling at the HAL level. Many of our players have dropped back to the NPL and excelled. The NPL is a good comp to watch but the standard is not great. To suggest that we are at State League level - (now NPL4) i.e fifth tier is just not sustainable.
Further we don't deserve to be division one because 16 years ago Frank Lowy so wanted to cast aside the ethnic teams of Western Sydney we were given a spot.
Addressed earlier - but John O'Neill also claimed the one city - one team concept was his and his alone.
The ball is at Mc's feet.... a new CEO could also be on the cards... although I am unaware how much authority MC has given Shaun i.e. is he a CEO or a general manager carrying out instructions.
I remember the year following our grand final win, David Gallop attended a forum at the Mingara club when asked about our success and that we had made a profit ... he said you [meaning the CCM] will only survive with excellent management and that's not what we have had.
If the FFA had provide excellent management the HAL and CCM might not be struggling the way they are
Ziggy is quality human being, both on and off the field. Thanks for sharing. Love stuff like this. Exactly what this club should be about.As an aside, on Sunday after the game, I took my eldest son (11) and mother (grandma) down to the fence to get the boy’s ball signed. All of the players were friendly and happy to chat and sign the ball. A special word for Ziggy, however, when he stopped in front of my 80 years old mum and she said “we come every week and will always support you” to which Ziggy took her hand and with great sincerity said “thank you ma’am, that means the world to us”. I suggest we find 10 more Ziggy’s (no easy task) who truly care and, as fans and the team we all work together to help get this club back on track.