Mariners vs. Adelaide live updates

[joeg]

It's a great idea to tap into the young AIS talent as they still have years of NYL and development ahead of them. Totally agree, they are potentially great players, I'm not saying otherwise. But these are first team trials not NYL spots that are being given away. All you guys come on here and say the AIS boys cant compete even in NYL because they are so young etc, but at the same time are you happy to give them first grade spots because in three or four years, they may well be able to compete. In the meantime guys who are with the club and also showing signs of getting there in years to come are easily lured away. Melbourne Heart are different. They need to have guys in their squad who will be happy to go a season without playing as they have no yoof next year. To me it shows a lack of respect for your own club if you give away first team spots so cheaply.

For the record, Lewis was signed last year, technically not this years yoof. Panni not signed for next year. Ryan ventures out of his box a bit but still wouldn;t class him as a field player.

 

[bulldogmariner]

1-1 Half time

 

[Jesus]

Warren and Sainsbury are both AIS. Warren is left footed, Sainsbury a tall central defender. So mariners have already offered a first grade contract to the AIS attacking weapon and are now offering first grade trials to two of their key defenders. Notably, mariners are shopping for next years talent in the yoof team that came dead last. (By the way, the attacking weapon scored a single goal this NYL season.)

In the meantime Gold Coast, Brisbane and Sydney are shopping in our NYL (who came first). We will lose a key defender  to GCU if either the AIS fullbacks are signed, and we will probably now lose two of our young attackers to Roar and Sydney, both having been snubbed yesterday for this Adelaide trip. All Roar and Sydney needed to offer was NYL but with training with first grade. 

It just goes to show that Mariners treat NYL as a reserve grade for their first team players, whereas other clubs treat it as a nurturing environment for future first graders.  At this stage, to my knowledge, not one of the winning mariners yoof field players has been offered a first grade contract. Though they do seem to love Bernie so hopefully there will be one success come from this season.

Sorry for the rave I feel better now!

I think if we did not have 4 OA's in the team most weeks we would not have won. I cant see anything wrong with the club considering some youth team players from other teams better than some of our players. I am sure if a youth player for us was considered as good as someone else, for the same price, our youth would get preference. But there is no need to preference the whole team, if they are good enough tey will get a contract.

 

[roonytunes]

flores got their first goal, matty for us  -  just watched the first half through the fence - warren (no. 21?) indeed at left back

edit -checked glens report, musta been panni, i thought matty showed unusual skill to drill it home, the rest of his touches were shite where i could see, albeit from my limited aperture.

 

[bulldogmariner]

Full time 1-1

 

[Atomic]

flores got their first goal, matty for us  -  just watched the first half through the fence - warren (no. 21?) indeed at left back

edit -checked glens report, musta been panni, i thought matty showed unusual skill to drill it home, the rest of his touches were shite where i could see, albeit from my limited aperture.

Confusing Panni with Matty? Me thinks you are watching through beer goggles

 

[GT]

Warren and Sainsbury are both AIS. Warren is left footed, Sainsbury a tall central defender. So mariners have already offered a first grade contract to the AIS attacking weapon and are now offering first grade trials to two of their key defenders. Notably, mariners are shopping for next years talent in the yoof team that came dead last. (By the way, the attacking weapon scored a single goal this NYL season.)

In the meantime Gold Coast, Brisbane and Sydney are shopping in our NYL (who came first). We will lose a key defender  to GCU if either the AIS fullbacks are signed, and we will probably now lose two of our young attackers to Roar and Sydney, both having been snubbed yesterday for this Adelaide trip. All Roar and Sydney needed to offer was NYL but with training with first grade. 

It just goes to show that Mariners treat NYL as a reserve grade for their first team players, whereas other clubs treat it as a nurturing environment for future first graders.  At this stage, to my knowledge, not one of the winning mariners yoof field players has been offered a first grade contract. Though they do seem to love Bernie so hopefully there will be one success come from this season.

Sorry for the rave – I feel better now!

Well said joeg, you definetly know the facts.

 

[bulldogmariner]

http://www.a-league.com.au/site/_content/audio/00002227-source.mp3

Arnold's thoughts of the game against reds.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Apart from Bernie, who can you really see at senior level in the HAL as a striker (and Bernie has a long way to go)

Walmsley seems to know his job, happy to let him be the judge really

 

[marinermick]

Apart from Bernie, who can you really see at senior level in the HAL as a striker (and Bernie has a long way to go)

Walmsley seems to know his job, happy to let him be the judge really

well said

the problem is that having a strong youth policy will not win you the league

the league has been won by very experienced teams and those teams who played lots of youth have struggled

just look at sydney - lots of youth last season and they were rubbish, this season they went for more experienced players and won the premiership

 

[Jaza_SFC]

It;s tough though. I think our kids are great - Grant, Jurman and Danning are all HAL-at-worst quality players. Grant in particular looks like he could go places in his career.

I agree that we won the title based on experience (Keller, Byun, Kisel, and Colosimo coming back from injury all boosted our side to the max), but at some point kids have to get a run? Having watched the NYL I think any given player should do no more than 2 seasons in it - after 2 seasons of NYL you either step up or step off IMO.

I think our kids will get a good run next year, but if not we'll lose them to places they'll play. There has to be a balance between development and winning titles - I'm sure of it.

(Note this post has nothign to do with your NYL kiddies. I've seen them 3 times this year and agree with FFC that none really stand out that they MUST be given a contract. Without the assistance from your overage players most weeks they'd not have won the title, but even that's not the issue. Not one player I saw stood out to the extent that he would've fit in the HAL game later that day.
I compare it to last season, where for us every single week I could see that Grant and Danning would walk in to our first team - I didn't see that from any of your players this year. And that's what it takes - you need to prove you're better than what's already there.
That said, if the aforementioned story about pinching players is true - I'll take the big Serbian (?) fella in the backline. Kthx.)

 

[roonytunes]

flores got their first goal, matty for us  -  just watched the first half through the fence - warren (no. 21?) indeed at left back

edit -checked glens report, musta been panni, i thought matty showed unusual skill to drill it home, the rest of his touches were shite where i could see, albeit from my limited aperture.

Confusing Panni with Matty? Me thinks you are watching through beer goggles

I wish,... poor buggers had to play in 35 degrees. and yeah, i was a long way away from the play
vidmar did a sven at half time, haha.
hope ya still keepin for woy woy mate.
edit: It was simon after all, but I still could have done with the beer goggles...

 

[midfielder]

Warren and Sainsbury are both AIS. Warren is left footed, Sainsbury a tall central defender. So mariners have already offered a first grade contract to the AIS attacking weapon and are now offering first grade trials to two of their key defenders. Notably, mariners are shopping for next years talent in the yoof team that came dead last. (By the way, the attacking weapon scored a single goal this NYL season.)

In the meantime Gold Coast, Brisbane and Sydney are shopping in our NYL (who came first). We will lose a key defender  to GCU if either the AIS fullbacks are signed, and we will probably now lose two of our young attackers to Roar and Sydney, both having been snubbed yesterday for this Adelaide trip. All Roar and Sydney needed to offer was NYL but with training with first grade. 

It just goes to show that Mariners treat NYL as a reserve grade for their first team players, whereas other clubs treat it as a nurturing environment for future first graders.  At this stage, to my knowledge, not one of the winning mariners yoof field players has been offered a first grade contract. Though they do seem to love Bernie so hopefully there will be one success come from this season.

Sorry for the rave – I feel better now!

Well said joeg, you definetly know the facts.

Problem as others have alluded to is that we cannot sign our entire youth team...

I can recall asking Marinermick as few weeks back from the youth team who did he think was ready to take the next step to the A-League and those players we send to play today were the same that MM said...

Signing young players from the AIS at 16 & 17 is a clever idea... but be of no doubt one of the players we let go will turn out to be a star .. that happens to every club...

 

[MagpieMariner]

I notice Crowell played. I thought he was gone.
Did he just play because his contract hasn't expired yet, and the club figured it might as well get some work for the money?
Or is he likely to be signed for another season?

 

[FFC Mariner]

The expectation of the NYL side is surely to groom 1 or 2 players a year to step up and maybe have another 4 or 5 who "might" make it. To expect anymore is plain silly.

The rest of the usual matchday squad should be 1st team squad to keep them fit and sharp.

I think CCM have got this spot on

 

[Roy Law]

The kids seem to go alright, plenty of mentions of Panni and Lewis.
For me it's a simple numbers game, Arnie says he needs about another seven players - of those 4 may be going to visa players (including the fabled South American no.10) which doesn't leave too many options for the youth players. We already have the obligatory 3 younger players in Ryan, Lewis and Amini. There is already a truck load of midfielders on our books - Porter, Bojic, Hutchinson, Lewis, McGlinchey, Griffiths, plus the No.10, and maybe Kwasaldinho which makes it hard for Smith or Nikas to get a crack. We're short on defenders so Sherlock may be in the running but realistically I can't see more than two getting a go and wouldn't be surprised if none was signed.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Personally, I am not sure Sherlock will make the step up

 

[dibo]

kids are cheap. they free up $$$ for investment in 'higher quality' players. we've typically had a very 'flat' squad, with roughly equal abilities across the 23.

given that the best players are better now than they were, it means that instead of stability it seems we're guaranteed mediocrity that way. we're rarely utterly torched by our opponents but we flatter to singe anyone else...

perhaps under arnie the view is that we should alter the mix and look for a more combustive (to stretch an already appalling metaphor) mix of players to either win through quality and bring the kids along faster.

melbourne have done pretty well investing in a core of 6-10 players and then they've got a fair bit of filler. kids like berger were nobodies and are now playing regular first team in a side that's about to attempt to defend the title for the first time in the HAL.