Mariners Squad - 2020-2021

[pjennings]

Vince Rugari saying

I'm told Central Coast Mariners have received "substantial" training compensation (low to mid six figures I'd imagine) and have sell-on clauses attached to Alou Kuol. So while it's a 'free transfer', it could work out very well for CCM.

 

[Huddo]

Some people are saying he had less than six months on his contract.
I don't think that's correct. I thought he signed an improved contract recently.
The f**king WSW donkey I'm arguing with on Reddit has gone quiet though.

Tell him to concentrate on his team they're on the verge of sinking

 

[Ads]

The sell on clause money will come back to the club itself at some point if he does well.

However can anybody answer if the “compensation” or “training fee” money can be directly banked by Charlesworth before he sells the club?

Is there anything stopping MC from selling players at overs as we are having a good season and keeping any takings before selling the club on?

 

[FFC Mariner]

I expect there are substantial "loans" from MC to CCM - thats how he would account for losses and money he has tipped in.
Therefore, he could pocket any lump sums coming in as repayment for said loans.
See the entry under Ryan M

 

[Michael]

People need to calm down when they see “free transfer”
Never necessarily means money isn’t involved, as has been mentioned we will receive compensation for developing alou. And put your house on there being a sell on clause and maybe performance related fees. This is the best possible outcome.
I’m over the moon for the kid. I hope he becomes a success and can financially help his parents in the future.
In football terms, we have the cattle coming through so to speak. This could be a huge blessing for Smylie in particular. Rumoured to have been told he wouldn’t get a senior deal but what now? And ofcourse Tsekenis is developing rapidly. Then who knows how good Garang Kuol will be.
it sucks to lose alou at seasons end but it’s what we’re set up to do as a club. I wish him the best. And I know he score more goals before he leaves.

 

[Big Al]

This is great for everyone but it does show the one chink in our system which is of course due to our poor finances.

We like offering scholarships for little pay but some exposure.

I’d say Koul being so successful so quickly backfired because we didn’t have the ability to tie him down to a good contract before he attracted attention which would of effected our position at the negotiating table.
Also Ken Schembri said on the podcast that he is quite comfortable having players on 1 yr deals. This doesn’t help when you have something special and want to sell them. However if they aren’t up to it you can get out of the contract quickly. It’s a juggling act and probably why our club is more interested in sell on clauses like Matt Ryan than up front sales figures

 

[Big Al]

The sell on clause money will come back to the club itself at some point if he does well.

However can anybody answer if the “compensation” or “training fee” money can be directly banked by Charlesworth before he sells the club?

Is there anything stopping MC from selling players at overs as we are having a good season and keeping any takings before selling the club on?

@FFC Mariner answered your question but just to go into it a little further.
The simple answer is no he owns the club so can do what he wants.
The sales proceeds would go directly to the club but then MC could withdraw those funds out of the bank account whenever he wants. How that is treated is up to the accountants but FFC is correct here that he would be owed a substantial figure for money he has contributed to keep the club afloat.
You really couldn’t blame him if he did take the cash to repay himself even though we would prefer that money reinvested in the club

 

[Michael]

This is great for everyone but it does show the one chink in our system which is of course due to our poor finances.

We like offering scholarships for little pay but some exposure.

I’d say Koul being so successful so quickly backfired because we didn’t have the ability to tie him down to a good contract before he attracted attention which would of effected our position at the negotiating table.
Also Ken Schembri said on the podcast that he is quite comfortable having players on 1 yr deals. This doesn’t help when you have something special and want to sell them. However if they aren’t up to it you can get out of the contract quickly. It’s a juggling act and probably why our club is more interested in sell on clauses like anat Ryan than up front sales figures

if you look at it from a different angle. The compensation fee’s, of which we don’t know the value, could be what makes the club comfortable in the 1 year contracts as it speeds up negotiations and might be set amount perhaps. Then they can focus on future performance related fees and sell on clauses for example. Which could possibly massively help the club down the road if the player succeeds. Because say we try negotiate the best possible transfer fee and the European club say no, they know their pulling power and can sign the player when his contract is expired for literally zero dollars to the club.
We’re not going to get a million for a player again any time soon. It was shocking we got that for Rostyn back in the day. Caceres went to man city for a rumoured $250k which was crazy at that time as we began our decline and I can’t even remember the fee’s we got for musti, maty, Tommy, Bernie and sains. But they weren’t as huge as some people thought.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

@FFC Mariner answered your question but just to go into it a little further.
The simple answer is no he owns the club so can do what he wants.
The sales proceeds would go directly to the club but then MC could withdraw those funds out of the bank account whenever he wants. How that is treated is up to the accountants but FFC is correct here that he would be owed a substantial figure for money he has contributed to keep the club afloat.
You really couldn’t blame him if he did take the cash to repay himself even though we would prefer that money reinvested in the club

Furthermore. Mike and Shaun have stated there is a set budget. He will not raise that budget because additional revenue comes in. He will just offset a higher degree of his losses.

He may be recouping directors loans like FFC said, but unless we sell, he’ll just be putting it right back in for next season anyway given we’re not in the black. So until he stops losing money on the club, there’s no reasonable axe we can grind - we can say please lose/spend more money, and he can say yay, because of this sale of player x I now will only lose x much dollars next financial year on the Mariners,

 

[priorpeter]

This is actually the biggest deal we’ve done in years, financially.

f**king gutted to see Alou go but holy shit what an opportunity for him!

 

[Corsair]

This was inevitable. I'm pleased he's staying until the end of the season. I'm not sure how it will impact his minutes... play him more now the cats out of the bag or less in case he gets injured before the transfer.

Would there be any requirements set by the contract around how much we can play him?

 

[marinermick]

This is actually the biggest deal we’ve done in years, financially.

f**king gutted to see Alou go but holy shit what an opportunity for him!

To be fair what was our last proper deal before Silvera and that was a pittance? We haven’t actually had a well functioning academy/youth team and a successful first team for neatly a decade.

 

[scoober]

Goulburn Valley Suns will also get a cut of the development fee for Alou.

 

[Pirate Pete]

Goulburn Valley Suns will also get a cut of the development fee for Alou.

That's true, but I don't know how much.
I seem to recall when Jedinak left us the team he came from (Sutherland?) complained they didn't get much.
I can't remember the figure but either $3K or $8K?
At the time I think were was a push by these lower league clubs to get a bigger slice of the pie in future.

I'm sure someone on here posted a very complicated and detailed account of who gets what from a players transfers.

 

[shipwreck]

What's been our best piece of business to date?

I vaguely recall getting a criminal sum for Rostyn Griffiths?

 

[Ozhammer]

Mat Ryan’s sell on I believe, possibly $1M?

 

[true believer]

im happy for alou .i think he's gunna be something in the years to come.
yes he has talent , but the thing is his attitude and will . i believe we'll he cheering him on for years to
come .

 

[Ironbark]

This is the best we could have hoped for, for him and the club (apart from extending his contract, getting him for another year or two and then this). Well done Alou, and CCM.

 

[pjennings]

Goulburn Valley Suns will also get a cut of the development fee for Alou.

As they should. The club waives fees for those that cannot afford them. Football fot footballs sake. Any money received may support another Kuol.

 

[Huddo]

As they should. The club waives fees for those that cannot afford them. Football fot footballs sake. Any money received may support another Kuol.

They're the teams we need in the top end of the NPL