Mariners Community Programs

[midfielder]

the naming of products is a big part of marketing, which would you fork out your hard earned for you kids to go to the "Mariners Elite Academy" or "kids football camp" or "beginner soccer training" etc

Suits using false or miss leading names is not how you build a club .. it may slightly increase your revenue on the training ... but can loose you more revenue at the gate with people being pissed off and thinking we are a  money grabbing club prepared to say anything to get a ... "Oxford Scholar """ ... (pun Oxford Scholar is slang for a dollar ... and given people are paying for our Scholarship's ... clever .. well I think so)

Yer you wouldnt want to make money to buy players in a professional club thats wrong !

Mate I am talking about 13 Year old kids from the back blocks who parents have a bit of spare cash and can afford to put their child intro an academy ... not the buying and selling of professional players.

 

[starfish]

The Mariners have been involved in the CC Academy of Sport program for a few years now. Up until this year, so has CCF who have funded the program with $6000 per year so the players involved did not have to pay.
This year the Board has withdrawn the $6000, preferring to direct the funds to prizemoney for the Premier League clubs rather than assisting our talented juniors. Although I dont really agree with it, I have no problem with it - its what the clubs elected them to do. But seeing that CCF had an operating profit of over $250,000 last year and this year they have got rid of the GM, HPM, Community Development coach and the canteen manager which would have saved them about another $250,000 in wages, I wonder what they intend doing with the money if they cant afford $6000 so the scholarship players are actually on a scholarship.
The Mariners have never put any cash into the CCAS - but have provided the coaching resources, which is quite valuable in itself.

 

[Jesus]

The Mariners have been involved in the CC Academy of Sport program for a few years now. Up until this year, so has CCF who have funded the program with $6000 per year so the players involved did not have to pay.
This year the Board has withdrawn the $6000, preferring to direct the funds to prizemoney for the Premier League clubs rather than assisting our talented juniors. Although I dont really agree with it, I have no problem with it - its what the clubs elected them to do. But seeing that CCF had an operating profit of over $250,000 last year and this year they have got rid of the GM, HPM, Community Development coach and the canteen manager which would have saved them about another $250,000 in wages, I wonder what they intend doing with the money if they cant afford $6000 so the scholarship players are actually on a scholarship.
The Mariners have never put any cash into the CCAS - but have provided the coaching resources, which is quite valuable in itself.

Are the CCF if the black? Or was it just a profitable year?

 

[dibo]

The Mariners have been involved in the CC Academy of Sport program for a few years now. Up until this year, so has CCF who have funded the program with $6000 per year so the players involved did not have to pay.
This year the Board has withdrawn the $6000, preferring to direct the funds to prizemoney for the Premier League clubs rather than assisting our talented juniors. Although I dont really agree with it, I have no problem with it - its what the clubs elected them to do. But seeing that CCF had an operating profit surplus of over $250,000 last year and this year they have got rid of the GM, HPM, Community Development coach and the canteen manager which would have saved them about another $250,000 in wages, I wonder what they intend doing with the money if they cant afford $6000 so the scholarship players are actually on a scholarship.
The Mariners have never put any cash into the CCAS - but have provided the coaching resources, which is quite valuable in itself.

Regardless of whether that figure's right (and it sounds like a bigger number than is feasible, quite frankly) it's not a profit, it's a surplus - it's a non-profit community organisation and proceeds can't be distributed to members.

You're assuming that wages cut won't be replaced by a wage spend on other restructured roles.

You're also right that the Association is empowered by the members to spend the money as they wish. Whether they can 'afford' $6k or not, the question is whether the Association wants to spend it on that. There might be better things that $6k can be spent on, and what is 'better' is determined by the democratically elected board of the Association.

 

[starfish]

The Mariners have been involved in the CC Academy of Sport program for a few years now. Up until this year, so has CCF who have funded the program with $6000 per year so the players involved did not have to pay.
This year the Board has withdrawn the $6000, preferring to direct the funds to prizemoney for the Premier League clubs rather than assisting our talented juniors. Although I dont really agree with it, I have no problem with it - its what the clubs elected them to do. But seeing that CCF had an operating profit surplus of over $250,000 last year and this year they have got rid of the GM, HPM, Community Development coach and the canteen manager which would have saved them about another $250,000 in wages, I wonder what they intend doing with the money if they cant afford $6000 so the scholarship players are actually on a scholarship.
The Mariners have never put any cash into the CCAS - but have provided the coaching resources, which is quite valuable in itself.

Regardless of whether that figure's right (and it sounds like a bigger number than is feasible, quite frankly) it's not a profit, it's a surplus - it's a non-profit community organisation and proceeds can't be distributed to members.

You're assuming that wages cut won't be replaced by a wage spend on other restructured roles.

You're also right that the Association is empowered by the members to spend the money as they wish. Whether they can 'afford' $6k or not, the question is whether the Association wants to spend it on that. There might be better things that $6k can be spent on, and what is 'better' is determined by the democratically elected board of the Association.

You're right  - and I wasnt suggesting that the CCF had $250K sitting in the bank - I am pretty sure the profit/surplus wsent to paying off the debts accumulated during the Keech era. But the surplus reported was definitely about $285,000.
As for restructured positions - a receptionist, admin assistant, grounds assistant and operations manager would have a combined wages bill of less than $200K so there should be a bit of a budget surplus there, plus the canteen is now leased out so not only do they not have wages they also have a revenue stream from it.
I think the point I was trying to make, which I probably didnt do very clearly, was that kids are now being made to pay for "scholarship" positions which in the past were funded by financial support which has now been withdrawn by an organisation that is in a better financial position to pay for it now than it was before.

 

[dibo]

It's still begging the question: why should CCF not be free to decide whether or not to fund this?

It's still their call isn't it? If they choose to spend $6k on something else, isn't that entirely their prerogative?

Whether they have more money available to spend/save is irrelevant to this basic question.

Taken another way, whether or not I get a pay rise, or I cut my spending on beer or I pay less on petrol than last week is irrelevant to the question of whether I want to give $10 to the Red Cross Haiti Appeal.

It's a good cause and all that but it's not obligatory, and whether I do or not isn't going to determine whether I'm a good person or whatever.

 

[starfish]

It's still begging the question: why should CCF not be free to decide whether or not to fund this?

It's still their call isn't it? If they choose to spend $6k on something else, isn't that entirely their prerogative?

Whether they have more money available to spend/save is irrelevant to this basic question.

Taken another way, whether or not I get a pay rise, or I cut my spending on beer or I pay less on petrol than last week is irrelevant to the question of whether I want to give $10 to the Red Cross Haiti Appeal.

It's a good cause and all that but it's not obligatory, and whether I do or not isn't going to determine whether I'm a good person or whatever.

No argument as to their perogative as to how and where to spend money.
The question was raised about players paying to be in a "scholarship" program and there was some comment that it was a money-grabbing exercise by CCM who have always provided invaluable coaching assistance and other support.

I was just pointing out why it was free in the past, why it isnt free now and that it wasnt a case of the Mariners taking money from ambitious or talented kids (or their parents).

 

[afan]

My understanding of this years scholarship is that last year they took CCL players on coaches nominations, this year they have advertised all over Sydney and thus PYL players are been targeted from all clubs, it is why there is only 1 scholarship instead of last year CC and Sydney venues. They will training out of Knox to ensure CCM get the PYL players, so maybe that's why CCF want fund it coz it is believed not many from CCL will get in, in ages 15 and 16

 

[FFC Mariner]

To be fair to CCM, the objective for the "development programs" is to find the best young players that they can - wherever they are from.

Restricting it to just the CC would harm that objective IMHO

 

[Jesus]

To be fair to CCM, the objective for the "development programs" is to find the best young players that they can - wherever they are from.

Restricting it to just the CC would harm that objective IMHO

Indeed,
leaving it at the coast allows the mariners to attract from about 10-15k local footballers. Leaving sydney fc currently with 120-150k.

We would be long term boned. With the northern suburbs we hopefully close the gap a bit

 

[Wilsons]

The Mariners have been involved in the CC Academy of Sport program for a few years now. Up until this year, so has CCF who have funded the program with $6000 per year so the players involved did not have to pay.
This year the Board has withdrawn the $6000, preferring to direct the funds to prizemoney for the Premier League clubs rather than assisting our talented juniors. Although I dont really agree with it, I have no problem with it - its what the clubs elected them to do. But seeing that CCF had an operating profit of over $250,000 last year and this year they have got rid of the GM, HPM, Community Development coach and the canteen manager which would have saved them about another $250,000 in wages, I wonder what they intend doing with the money if they cant afford $6000 so the scholarship players are actually on a scholarship.
The Mariners have never put any cash into the CCAS - but have provided the coaching resources, which is quite valuable in itself.

The prize money for the premier league is being provided by a sponsor.

 

[starfish]

The Mariners have been involved in the CC Academy of Sport program for a few years now. Up until this year, so has CCF who have funded the program with $6000 per year so the players involved did not have to pay.
This year the Board has withdrawn the $6000, preferring to direct the funds to prizemoney for the Premier League clubs rather than assisting our talented juniors. Although I dont really agree with it, I have no problem with it - its what the clubs elected them to do. But seeing that CCF had an operating profit of over $250,000 last year and this year they have got rid of the GM, HPM, Community Development coach and the canteen manager which would have saved them about another $250,000 in wages, I wonder what they intend doing with the money if they cant afford $6000 so the scholarship players are actually on a scholarship.
The Mariners have never put any cash into the CCAS - but have provided the coaching resources, which is quite valuable in itself.

The prize money for the premier league is being provided by a sponsor.

That's good that the prizemoney is coming from elsewhere. It would've been nice for CCF to continue their relationship with the CCAS and Mariners for this program though - most of these kids are paying $1000 to play for CCL (unlike the seniors who have theirs paid for), many will have to pay another $500 or more to compete in the NSW Branch Titles - a bit of help from CCF would go a long way.