Arabmariner
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Plenty of room round that boutique stadium for two more stands and a terrace down the track 
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Mariners Centre of Excellence is GO!
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Arabmariner
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;Ddibo said:giddyupArabmariner said:Plenty of room round that boutique stadium for two more stands and a terrace down the track
midfielder
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The Mariners Centre of Excellence what is it worth . So lets attempt to put a value on the centre.
Land, 22 acres at 1.5 million per acre: thats 33 million. Building and fields, 18.5 million, plus furnishing, fitting, equipment and so on, say 5 million. A working club with normal bar and food facilities and some pokies, say 1.5 million.
Total tangible asset value is $58 million.
Now we have to add the intangible assets such as goodwill, knowledge and so on.
My understanding although it may have changed is COE centre will use the Brazilian giants San Polo coaching methods and the academy management structure of Sheffield United. The community goodwill and the value of future players needs to be added. Plus the revenue streams coming out of the 120 room motel.
Plus the benefits from the relationship with Newcastle University, who will set up part of their medical school. The Sports Management school will also be run out of the Mariners Centre of Excellence..
So whats it worth? My guess is somewhere between $58 and $65 million.
By heck, that is an investment in football.
When completed, the Mariners Centre of Football excellence will feature six full sized playing fields, including a boutique arena, ten small sided, multi-sport fields, a 6-story administration building, a sports science building, a 120-room accommodation block, an indoor aquatic centre, gymnasium, and a refurbished and extended licensed club.
But will the Mariners Centre of Excellence deliver what has been claimed by the Mariners board since before Hal 1?
The premise behind the Mariners Centre of Excellence is that football will grow in Australia and for a regional centre to compete with its capital rivals in the future, it needs something. The something is an academy based entirely upon increasing the technical ability of the players within the academy and the Central Coast in general.
How valid is this claim that by simply producing technical better juniors, a regional club will grow?
To date, the Mariners Board record is impressive. They have convinced a local RSL club to provide 12 acres of land and their premises in return for having their club refurbished. The Wyong council has provided an adjourning 10 acres of land.
Part of this trust was developed as I understand it when in Hal 2, Lyall Gorman (Mariners CEO) was invited onto a local Area Health board and he wrote a paper about the connection between alcohol abuse by local youth and sport. Only a few months after Lyall wrote the paper, a beer company offered the Mariners a six figure sponsorship contract.
The club was still losing money, but Lyall rejected the offer, which was a massive ethical stand. Many say that this in itself earned the trust of the local community and why, when Lyle presented to the RSL board and Council what he wanted to do, the 22 acres of land and club was handed over.
That said, can a training academy based on creating the best technical junior players in the country make a small regional area a power house in Australia football for years to come?
Land, 22 acres at 1.5 million per acre: thats 33 million. Building and fields, 18.5 million, plus furnishing, fitting, equipment and so on, say 5 million. A working club with normal bar and food facilities and some pokies, say 1.5 million.
Total tangible asset value is $58 million.
Now we have to add the intangible assets such as goodwill, knowledge and so on.
My understanding although it may have changed is COE centre will use the Brazilian giants San Polo coaching methods and the academy management structure of Sheffield United. The community goodwill and the value of future players needs to be added. Plus the revenue streams coming out of the 120 room motel.
Plus the benefits from the relationship with Newcastle University, who will set up part of their medical school. The Sports Management school will also be run out of the Mariners Centre of Excellence..
So whats it worth? My guess is somewhere between $58 and $65 million.
By heck, that is an investment in football.
When completed, the Mariners Centre of Football excellence will feature six full sized playing fields, including a boutique arena, ten small sided, multi-sport fields, a 6-story administration building, a sports science building, a 120-room accommodation block, an indoor aquatic centre, gymnasium, and a refurbished and extended licensed club.
But will the Mariners Centre of Excellence deliver what has been claimed by the Mariners board since before Hal 1?
The premise behind the Mariners Centre of Excellence is that football will grow in Australia and for a regional centre to compete with its capital rivals in the future, it needs something. The something is an academy based entirely upon increasing the technical ability of the players within the academy and the Central Coast in general.
How valid is this claim that by simply producing technical better juniors, a regional club will grow?
To date, the Mariners Board record is impressive. They have convinced a local RSL club to provide 12 acres of land and their premises in return for having their club refurbished. The Wyong council has provided an adjourning 10 acres of land.
Part of this trust was developed as I understand it when in Hal 2, Lyall Gorman (Mariners CEO) was invited onto a local Area Health board and he wrote a paper about the connection between alcohol abuse by local youth and sport. Only a few months after Lyall wrote the paper, a beer company offered the Mariners a six figure sponsorship contract.
The club was still losing money, but Lyall rejected the offer, which was a massive ethical stand. Many say that this in itself earned the trust of the local community and why, when Lyle presented to the RSL board and Council what he wanted to do, the 22 acres of land and club was handed over.
That said, can a training academy based on creating the best technical junior players in the country make a small regional area a power house in Australia football for years to come?
Roy Law
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Can a training academy based on creating the best technical junior players in the country make a small regional area a power house in Australia football for years to come?
- leading question; I expect long term that there will be a lot of competition for this accolade but the good thing is the Mariners are leading the way. A League clubs are going to be responsible for the development of youth players as opposed to the current State bodies; this means all clubs have to step up to the plate; It means there will be a lot of competition for talent in NSW from Sydney FC, Newcastle and probably a Western Sydney outfit. Getting in ahead of the competition is an excellent approach.
- leading question; I expect long term that there will be a lot of competition for this accolade but the good thing is the Mariners are leading the way. A League clubs are going to be responsible for the development of youth players as opposed to the current State bodies; this means all clubs have to step up to the plate; It means there will be a lot of competition for talent in NSW from Sydney FC, Newcastle and probably a Western Sydney outfit. Getting in ahead of the competition is an excellent approach.
scottmac
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midfielder said:
Good question.
I believe that the most important acquisition our club will search for in the next 20 or so years will be the director of operations/training for this academy. It must be the 'marquee' signing that has not been provided to the team.
If they can get this crucial signing right, then i believe the answer to your question is yes.
midfielder
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scottmac said:
Could not agree more ...
elevated position
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+1
scottmac
Suspended
Watching Fox Sports FC, and the mariners section has just finished. No talk of signings mostly concentrated on LM and the Arnold rumour.
Robbie Slater said something that i found interesting. He said he knows GA and knows that he is going to the world cup 2010 so the talk of GA here was silly.
My greatest fear is that the talk to GA was not about the managers spot, but instead about the academy. Could you imagine if GA was appointed head of football operations at our academy?
Robbie Slater said something that i found interesting. He said he knows GA and knows that he is going to the world cup 2010 so the talk of GA here was silly.
My greatest fear is that the talk to GA was not about the managers spot, but instead about the academy. Could you imagine if GA was appointed head of football operations at our academy?
FFC Mariner
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He would be able to ruin a generation of footballers much earlier than he usually does.
Much more efficient
Much more efficient
northernspirit
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look on the bright side, if he were appointed to this role the exit signs at the Centre of excellence could read "Arnold Out"
midfielder
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scottmac said:
Scottmac ... this is evil talk ... GA to manage of MCOE ... we must put these thro's out of our minds so we can sleep at nights..
pjennings
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I know I would not want Graham Arnold there at the Academy. However, it does raise the point about Lawrie and his continued role.
Ideally, in the long term there will be 'Director of Football' that will control the:-
Mariners HAL team
Mariners Youth team
Mariners Womens team
Mariners COE
There will be a HAL team manager, Youth team manager, Women's manager, head of the academy and a number of academy coaches. Where does Lawrie sit in the future?
The triumvirate of 'Director of Football', HAL team manager and head of the academy is an area that may define our future.
Personally I think if Lawrie can deliver a creditable performance this year I would like to see him in his current position. He is a great man-manager and the importance of that in the top competion in the land cannot be underestimated. I do not like the thought of him being 'kicked upstairs' where his day to day influence would not be so great.
The head of the academy is another interesting role. While our COE needs to be producing the best technical players, we also have to be mindful that we are situated in a regional area where we need to have a point of difference to attract the best young players to our academy.
I don't pretend to have the answers - but these decisions are critical to the future of our club.
Ideally, in the long term there will be 'Director of Football' that will control the:-
Mariners HAL team
Mariners Youth team
Mariners Womens team
Mariners COE
There will be a HAL team manager, Youth team manager, Women's manager, head of the academy and a number of academy coaches. Where does Lawrie sit in the future?
The triumvirate of 'Director of Football', HAL team manager and head of the academy is an area that may define our future.
Personally I think if Lawrie can deliver a creditable performance this year I would like to see him in his current position. He is a great man-manager and the importance of that in the top competion in the land cannot be underestimated. I do not like the thought of him being 'kicked upstairs' where his day to day influence would not be so great.
The head of the academy is another interesting role. While our COE needs to be producing the best technical players, we also have to be mindful that we are situated in a regional area where we need to have a point of difference to attract the best young players to our academy.
I don't pretend to have the answers - but these decisions are critical to the future of our club.
Would it not make sense for who ever is initially going to run the centre of excellence to come over from the Sheffield United Centre of Excellence? We would get somebody with a track record, that has already worked through the teething issues etc and it does now appear that they are producing some good young players from the academy.
Marquee
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I agree that director role of the COE of extremely important. So much so that I don't know anyone available in Australia to take such a position.
Bladesman's idea is quite good, having someone with proven results from the Sheffield approach. With the possibility of sounding Fozzie-esque, the director IMO should come from overseas. Purely due to lack of trained personnel in both footballing (skills, tactics and scouting) and the management side of things (like budgeting, overseeing the 3 managers, etc).
Not sure where this person will come from, perhaps Mr. McCabe has someone in mind? The right person will most likely cost a decent penny but it's definitely the 'marquee' signing and would be money well spent.
Bladesman's idea is quite good, having someone with proven results from the Sheffield approach. With the possibility of sounding Fozzie-esque, the director IMO should come from overseas. Purely due to lack of trained personnel in both footballing (skills, tactics and scouting) and the management side of things (like budgeting, overseeing the 3 managers, etc).
Not sure where this person will come from, perhaps Mr. McCabe has someone in mind? The right person will most likely cost a decent penny but it's definitely the 'marquee' signing and would be money well spent.
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