Let danny townsend know he is a stooge

[turbo]

Here is a crazy idea, put the VAR review kit on the other side of the field.... Away from the coaches

Or start handing out yellow or red cards to any players or staff that try to influence the review. Same answer to mobbing the ref. The tools are there to use the officials just need to get tough with them. If they do it’ll be amazing how quick those issues disappear. People are acting a certain way because they’ve been allowed to.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

Best response I heard when I team captain questioned the ref on his decision demanding that as captain, he had the right to ask. He was told that captaincy gave him the right to toss the coin, "now get out of my face".

 

[turbo]

Best response I heard when I team captain questioned the ref on his decision demanding that as captain, he had the right to ask. He was told that captaincy gave him the right to toss the coin, "now get out of my face".

I like it but that also has potential to let the game get away from the official. It’s escalating things rather than giving a explanation and potentially de escalating. Of course some will never accept an explanation and we don’t have context.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Heh, back in my days, all so often when the captain is trying to argue that he has the right to ask (it's not rugby league, mate) - they're usually screaming it after arguing

Happy to quickly respond to a question with respect, going to carry on and scream and then say you have a right to do so? nuh-uh

 

[Yorkshire Mariners FC]

Not sure where to post this.
Should we be disturbed by this comment about our W-league team not being confirmed by Mr Townsend?
'The APL has also acknowledged the need to capitalise on the momentum of the 2023 Women's World Cup in Australia and New Zealand. Wellington Phoenix entered the competition this season and Central Coast Mariners and Western United have been tapped for 2022-23 -- although Townsend added that that had yet to be fully confirmed.'

A-Leagues to 'be better' with fans - Townsend

Danny Townsend has admitted to ESPN that the A-Leagues need to better engage the Australian footballing public on their purpose and direction.

www.espn.com.au

 

[Tevor]

Not sure where to post this.
Should we be disturbed by this comment about our W-league team not being confirmed by Mr Townsend?
'The APL has also acknowledged the need to capitalise on the momentum of the 2023 Women's World Cup in Australia and New Zealand. Wellington Phoenix entered the competition this season and Central Coast Mariners and Western United have been tapped for 2022-23 -- although Townsend added that that had yet to be fully confirmed.'

A-Leagues to 'be better' with fans - Townsend

Danny Townsend has admitted to ESPN that the A-Leagues need to better engage the Australian footballing public on their purpose and direction.

www.espn.com.au

Just more hot air and excuses. The number one sport in Australia by 2030. I nearly fell off my chair laughing. These goons are delusional. I'm sick of hearing how we need to capitalise on the huge grass roots foundation the sport has in Australia.

Lets look ahead, Socceroos in serious doubt of making the next WC and probably the one after that unless we all of a sudden develop some great players and depth. Matildas a shadow of their former selves and could be embarrassing if they can not progress a long way in a home WC. They are well behind the top 5 or 6 nations and I don't see them making up any ground by the WC.

A league with record low attendances, I have no doubt the P- viewership is very poor and probably why it is never made public. CBN would be bleeding $$ on the A leagues so far. I wonder what the numbers are like for the FTA Saturday night game.

I'm all for promoting womens football and I've tried watching some games, it is hard work as the level is pretty low and a huge chasm between the haves and have nots. There is a long way to go in improving this and if this is the base the Matildas are relying on then they are in the same position as the Socceroos. The Nix are a good snap shot of our intro back into the womens game so no wonder CCM are in no rush.

They spent so many $$$ on a rubbish app that was meant to transform football in Australia. You need to search other websites to find out general basic stats such as the golden boot race. Football in Australia is in a very poor state. Sure they have the TV money for a few years but if it does not improve CBN will do the same as Fox and walk away or halve their cash injection. They don't have the luxury of time in my opinion.

 

[FFC Mariner]

But he's a good bloke. What else do you want?
?

 

[adz]

Couple of tweets expressing disappointment should do it
Tick

 

[Ironbark]

Sooo...nothing on Evans yet? Suggests nothing coming.

Such bs

 

[Tevor]

Sooo...nothing on Evans yet? Suggests nothing coming.

Such bs

See FFC Mariners response. "But he is a good bloke." Applies multiple times and those defending him early have gone quiet.

 

[dibo]

There's a big gap between some people's expectations and what is at all realistic.

A referee made two whopping errors. Far too many people swing immediately to the notion that he's corrupt.

This forgets an important rule - never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by a f**k up.

Referees f**k up. Even referees with FIFA badges. And when they do, sometimes it turns the results of matches.

We all know this, we're football people, we get it instinctively.

And yet, when it happens to us we assume it's because there's some conspiracy and there's corruption and people are stooges owned Russian puppet-masters or whatever - it's tosh.

Think about how much gossip gets around the place - this forum regularly has well sourced gossip that isn't public and shouldn't be public but gets out because people tell other people shit that they shouldn't, usually because they've got an axe to grind.

Australian football is a circular firing squad, with people taking ludicrous glee in attacking other people and organisations for sins real and imagined. I've personally copped plenty over the years and I know others on here have done so too.

Now, if there were a conspiracy to fix matches, don't you reckon that the same sort of gossip would blow it open? A ref who doesn't get a bribe would be pissing and moaning and it would get out. I genuinely think that something would leak.

So to me, it doesn't pass the sniff test.

A ref f**ked up.

Was I dumbfounded? Of course!

Was I furious? Of course!

Do I think there's actual corruption? Not for a second.

Not sure where to post this.
Should we be disturbed by this comment about our W-league team not being confirmed by Mr Townsend?
'The APL has also acknowledged the need to capitalise on the momentum of the 2023 Women's World Cup in Australia and New Zealand. Wellington Phoenix entered the competition this season and Central Coast Mariners and Western United have been tapped for 2022-23 -- although Townsend added that that had yet to be fully confirmed.'

A-Leagues to 'be better' with fans - Townsend

Danny Townsend has admitted to ESPN that the A-Leagues need to better engage the Australian footballing public on their purpose and direction.

www.espn.com.au

There's a bit going on here under the water.

Separate to the ALW expansion discussion is the need to extend the ALW season - they're at 10 teams at the moment playing 14 games, and they want to get to a true home and away season.

At present that would be 18 games, and if they go to 11 teams that's 20 games over 22 matchdays plus finals.

But the ALW has significant player overlap with the NPL competitions - lots of players are in both. The NPL season in NSW is presently 22 weeks plus finals, and they've got to figure out how to get the two to work together.

Danny said on twitter not long ago that they're looking to lock away the structural questions and come to the specifics of expansion.

That's not unreasonable.

As to whether he's a good bloke? Well - I know him professionally, having dealt with him in two different jobs, and in my opinion he is. Others are free to hold their own views, and I'm not going to speak for others.

If you want to see for yourself, seriously, go to his twitter feed. He takes feedback and questions and answers reasonably and fairly. And what you see is what you get.

He's not hiding from anyone, he's not in an ivory tower, he's a football person like us, only with a bloody big job.

In his tenure at Sydney FC he's been well liked and respected by Sydney FC fans, and the club has been enormously successful. Now he's working for all of us.

People should absolutely blow off steam. People should absolutely be angry when a f**kup costs us badly - I am!

But people shouldn't extend from that into conspiracy theories and crackpot stuff. I'd like to think that we're a bit better than that.

 

[Tevor]

There's a big gap between some people's expectations and what is at all realistic.

A referee made two whopping errors. Far too many people swing immediately to the notion that he's corrupt.

This forgets an important rule - never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by a f**k up.

Referees f**k up. Even referees with FIFA badges. And when they do, sometimes it turns the results of matches.

We all know this, we're football people, we get it instinctively.

And yet, when it happens to us we assume it's because there's some conspiracy and there's corruption and people are stooges owned Russian puppet-masters or whatever - it's tosh.

Think about how much gossip gets around the place - this forum regularly has well sourced gossip that isn't public and shouldn't be public but gets out because people tell other people shit that they shouldn't, usually because they've got an axe to grind.

Australian football is a circular firing squad, with people taking ludicrous glee in attacking other people and organisations for sins real and imagined. I've personally copped plenty over the years and I know others on here have done so too.

Now, if there were a conspiracy to fix matches, don't you reckon that the same sort of gossip would blow it open? A ref who doesn't get a bribe would be pissing and moaning and it would get out. I genuinely think that something would leak.

So to me, it doesn't pass the sniff test.

A ref f**ked up.

Was I dumbfounded? Of course!

Was I furious? Of course!

Do I think there's actual corruption? Not for a second.



There's a bit going on here under the water.

Separate to the ALW expansion discussion is the need to extend the ALW season - they're at 10 teams at the moment playing 14 games, and they want to get to a true home and away season.

At present that would be 18 games, and if they go to 11 teams that's 20 games over 22 matchdays plus finals.

But the ALW has significant player overlap with the NPL competitions - lots of players are in both. The NPL season in NSW is presently 22 weeks plus finals, and they've got to figure out how to get the two to work together.

Danny said on twitter not long ago that they're looking to lock away the structural questions and come to the specifics of expansion.

That's not unreasonable.

As to whether he's a good bloke? Well - I know him professionally, having dealt with him in two different jobs, and in my opinion he is. Others are free to hold their own views, and I'm not going to speak for others.

If you want to see for yourself, seriously, go to his twitter feed. He takes feedback and questions and answers reasonably and fairly. And what you see is what you get.

He's not hiding from anyone, he's not in an ivory tower, he's a football person like us, only with a bloody big job.

In his tenure at Sydney FC he's been well liked and respected by Sydney FC fans, and the club has been enormously successful. Now he's working for all of us.

People should absolutely blow off steam. People should absolutely be angry when a f**kup costs us badly - I am!

But people shouldn't extend from that into conspiracy theories and crackpot stuff. I'd like to think that we're a bit better than that.

A ref of Evans experience and stature in the A League just does not stuff up twice in a game to that magnitude, he was handed the Cup final because of his experience. If he was Keevers who has looked after a handful of games I could handle your argument. What ever it is it's clear bias and it goes unpunished. All depends on what people think bias is I guess.

Defend him all you like, the simple thing is they have done absolutely nothing about it and are not going to. Those that do not punish incompetence are incompetent themselves.

 

[dibo]

What punishment do you want to see?

 

[Yorkshire Mariners FC]

There's a big gap between some people's expectations and what is at all realistic.

A referee made two whopping errors. Far too many people swing immediately to the notion that he's corrupt.

This forgets an important rule - never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by a f**k up.

Referees f**k up. Even referees with FIFA badges. And when they do, sometimes it turns the results of matches.

We all know this, we're football people, we get it instinctively.

And yet, when it happens to us we assume it's because there's some conspiracy and there's corruption and people are stooges owned Russian puppet-masters or whatever - it's tosh.

Think about how much gossip gets around the place - this forum regularly has well sourced gossip that isn't public and shouldn't be public but gets out because people tell other people shit that they shouldn't, usually because they've got an axe to grind.

Australian football is a circular firing squad, with people taking ludicrous glee in attacking other people and organisations for sins real and imagined. I've personally copped plenty over the years and I know others on here have done so too.

Now, if there were a conspiracy to fix matches, don't you reckon that the same sort of gossip would blow it open? A ref who doesn't get a bribe would be pissing and moaning and it would get out. I genuinely think that something would leak.

So to me, it doesn't pass the sniff test.

A ref f**ked up.

Was I dumbfounded? Of course!

Was I furious? Of course!

Do I think there's actual corruption? Not for a second.



There's a bit going on here under the water.

Separate to the ALW expansion discussion is the need to extend the ALW season - they're at 10 teams at the moment playing 14 games, and they want to get to a true home and away season.

At present that would be 18 games, and if they go to 11 teams that's 20 games over 22 matchdays plus finals.

But the ALW has significant player overlap with the NPL competitions - lots of players are in both. The NPL season in NSW is presently 22 weeks plus finals, and they've got to figure out how to get the two to work together.

Danny said on twitter not long ago that they're looking to lock away the structural questions and come to the specifics of expansion.

That's not unreasonable.

As to whether he's a good bloke? Well - I know him professionally, having dealt with him in two different jobs, and in my opinion he is. Others are free to hold their own views, and I'm not going to speak for others.

If you want to see for yourself, seriously, go to his twitter feed. He takes feedback and questions and answers reasonably and fairly. And what you see is what you get.

He's not hiding from anyone, he's not in an ivory tower, he's a football person like us, only with a bloody big job.

In his tenure at Sydney FC he's been well liked and respected by Sydney FC fans, and the club has been enormously successful. Now he's working for all of us.

People should absolutely blow off steam. People should absolutely be angry when a f**kup costs us badly - I am!

But people shouldn't extend from that into conspiracy theories and crackpot stuff. I'd like to think that we're a bit better than that.

Thanks for the clarification on ALW. I thought that the expansion was already confirmed.

 

[Yorkshire Mariners FC]

What punishment do you want to see?

Well for starters, Leckie got 2 goals in a game he shouldn't have played in. No word on if Evans was dropped for a game or 4. An apology and nothing doesn't cut it- just ask the Nix. Recinding our cards would have been another way to appease fans. The suggestions I have made, I do not feel are unreasonable.

 

[Ancient Mariner]

What punishment do you want to see?

Evans incompetence addressed. Maybe some time for him in a re education camp.

 

[Tevor]

All of the above. With no action it will just happen again and again and again.

 

[Ironbark]

Yeah it's a stretch without evidence to claim corruption, but these aren't simple reffing mistakes.They were clearly wrong, every single person who saw it agrees, and very little chance they weren't deliberate.
The direct consequences were negative to the team they were called against, especially the loss of the game and 3 points which further affect a season.

A nod and a shrug neither deter it from happening again nor compensate in any way. Simply not good enough.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

A ref of Evans experience and stature in the A League just does not stuff up twice in a game to that magnitude

Anybody is capable of it on the wrong day.

I've mentioned elsewhere on here, I know I've had bad games with a number of errors, and all the errors happened to go one way (yes, of course at a much higher level they should be making far fewer errors than I would!).

It's just particularly frustrating that we've been on the wrong side of match-changing errors from Evans 2 games in a row.

While there are 1 or 2 referees I could absolutely accept are biased, and another 1 or 2 who tend to prefer the bigger club, I've never thought of Evans as one of those.

Yes, I do think we as fans need to see more accountability - and publicly so.

Thing is, once in a blue moon the FFA have always made a scapegoat out of one referee for one incident, then never again - and nothing would change.

Sure, Evans probably deserves suspension over this for a couple of weeks - because don't forget, he actually got each of these decisions wrong - TWICE. Once live, then once on video.

Expulsion? Then we'll just get more games with Kurt Ams - it wouldn't solve the systematic errors underlying the problems we have.

For instance, despite him being in the right on that game, KGJ's continued employment is far more representative of systematic, ongoing issues, than 2 games from Evans.

 

[dibo]

Well for starters, Leckie got 2 goals in a game he shouldn't have played in. No word on if Evans was dropped for a game or 4. An apology and nothing doesn't cut it- just ask the Nix. Recinding our cards would have been another way to appease fans. The suggestions I have made, I do not feel are unreasonable.

They can't re-referee games after the fact. They can only change a decision afterwards if there was a red card offence that was missed. There wasn't - whilst Leckie would've got a second yellow, it wasn't a red card offence.

Second, as has been discussed already, if the referee screws up or not, everyone has the responsibility to conduct themselves appropriately. You will *never* get off a suspension by saying words to the effect of "I told the referee he was a f**king idiot and it turns out everyone else agrees". If you try it at your local association you'll get a lengthy holiday.

Evans incompetence addressed. Maybe some time for him in a re education camp.

Yeah it's a stretch without evidence to claim corruption, but these aren't simple reffing mistakes.They were clearly wrong, every single person who saw it agrees, and very little chance they weren't deliberate.
The direct consequences were negative to the team they were called against, especially the loss of the game and 3 points which further affect a season.

A nod and a shrug neither deter it from happening again nor compensate in any way. Simply not good enough.

He got dropped, didn't he? And you can bet anything in your pockets that he's been given some pretty hefty 'coaching' since the game. But they're not going to string him up for our comfort. And nor should they.

Managing referees from the top to the bottom of the game is bloody difficult. It's the only role on the park where absolutely every mistake is scrutinised, and it's assumed far too often that if you make an error you're either incompetent or a cheat. Imagine if strikers who miss an open goal were held to the same standard? Midfielders who misplace passes? Defenders who miss a tackle?

If they make an example of Evans, next time your local park ref makes a big mistake s/he'll think they're gonna be made an example of too. And they might just go "f**k that, I'm out".

As a game, we can't afford that. Referees need to be looked after, even those who make game-changing errors, because they don't make them all the time, and there's not exactly a deluge of amazing referees that they're keeping off our parks or our stadiums.

The way we treat our refs at the top of the game influences how our refs at the grassroots are treated.

So by all means he should be coached and (figuratively) give him a clip around the ears and remind him that the VAR is there to get him out of trouble, not into it, but don't tar and feather him.